Guild Wars 2

On the recent stream they asked about having Permeating Wrath to be changed and having it’s AoE proc around the targeted enemy instead of the player character. I’m here to throw my weight behind that and make sure it’s more than just a possibility. It wouldn’t have much if any change for melee weapons and it allows Scepter (and any future long range weapon sets) to get in on the action.

I’ll have to agree on this. The only benefit I see of it in its current state is to drop a ranged symbol or symbol like object on a far group of enemies and tags anything nearby with burning.

However, the same could be accomplished, and with less convoluted ways of getting those results, by having PW proc on target. If you’re putting the damage at range, you’ll want the extra burning at range also.
Not to mention, the other virtues have quite the range on them. Should it sill be targeted on the Guardian, than were going to need much more than 240u. However, something like 600u would be problematic with proofing through walls, or perhaps aggroing mobs that you might not want to pull. That seems like the lesser option.

I definitely hope for that change, but I would also enjoy an additional buff to it. Perhaps make it a blast finisher? And/ or add some direct damage to it?

On what would the blast finished proc? VoJ passive? A blast finisher on every 3rd-5th attack?

AoE VoJ is a pretty build defining trait. It just needs to play nicely with our ranged options.

Ghotistyx.6942:

On what would the blast finished proc? VoJ passive? A blast finisher on every 3rd-5th attack?

AoE VoJ is a pretty build defining trait. It just needs to play nicely with our ranged options.

Oh, I thought it procced on the active effect.

Go figure. I use Permeating Wrath a lot on my Guardian alt. I’ve gotta say … I’d not mind the changes you’re tossing around as ideas.

It’s got some zerg busting possibility. If you can stick your target, it will also work like it does now. I like it.

Not to mention it’ll also (you would think) promote guardians to focus target better. This idea has always been a favorite of mine as well as many other guardians who may have suggested it. I’m on board

There is one thing I’d consider more important than making Permeating Wrath centered around your target. I think the devs should consider combining Supreme Justice + Permeating Wrath. Neither of those traits is going to be picked without the other in the new trait system. Having them in seperate traits is a bit silly.

^^ Oh, I have to agree. I’ve ALWAYS been unhappy that VoJ has separate traits, one for passive and active. Of course, some may think it’s a little OP to combine them as is.

It seems to me that the GM traits for justice and resolve are weaker than their master traits. I can see why they it did this way: to choose between further improving them, or stacking them with courage’s trait. However, courage’s GM trait is so good by itself, it’ll be a no brainer to pick over the other two. The only exception might be for predictable/ safe PvE scenarios.

I think resolve’s master trait should be swapped with its GM counterpart, and thus make players choose between extra cleansing and extra anti-cc. That seems a far more compelling decision to make, even if some players might not enjoy the “nerf”. Meanwhile, virtue of justice’s burn effect would be free to be picked, but I think that’s fine. Are you against this idea?

And Permeating Wrath should enhance the active effect in some way as well.

I’m fine with Permeating Wrath not affecting the active. You want to utilize the active you will also be going Radiance anyway and I think we all agree that a fully traited VoJ already is powerful enough.

When it comes to Absolute Resolution and Battle Presence I partly agree. Battle Presence definitely has it’s use in group play. But the devs should consider adding the effect of Purity of Body to it and putting something else in the Honor Minor slot.

I think Purity of Body is deemed important for Honor, as it allows for more dodge rolls, which are bread and butter for the line.

Virtuous Mallet seems out of place in virtues, and it interrupts the master for each virtue. Perhaps either SJ and AR move up to emphasize specializing in one virtue particularly, or VM moves down (or moves to honor. Prot impact?) and IC is split.

Ghotistyx.6942:

I think Purity of Body is deemed important for Honor, as it allows for more dodge rolls, which are bread and butter for the line.

I got to disagree on that one. You will have Vigorous Precision which means a 50% uptime of 100% enhanced endurance regeneration if you’re not just standing around and getting your face smashed in. Your Vigor uptime will result in Purity of Body providing a whouping 7.5% endurance generation since it doesn’t have any effect 50% of the time.

That’s why I believe that Purity of Body is only beneficial when shared with the group. And even then you might question the low percentage it regenerates.

I never specifically said I thought it was important, just that our was deemed so. Likewise, you might not have 100% proc on vigor depending on your build, or perhaps you have extra boon duration so PoB isn’t as useful. Perhaps PoB will be able to stack with vigor. A lot of these questions deal with multiple factors that we can’t quite make blanket statements for.

Regardless, it looks fine like it is, and probably shouldn’t be very high on the priority list for changes

What i would like to see is an option in the option screen where i could change the targeting form ground targeting to targeting on target for the aoe skills.
Sinds im using a gamepad (mapped) to play GW2.

Its really difficult to use aoe attacks because of the ground targeting with a gamepad.
I know this game is not ment to be played with a gamepad, and doesnt have controller support, but some people like to play this with a gamepad or have physical problems that keeps em from using keyboard and mouse to play.

Maybe they could implement such option in the option screen, sind u can already change the ground targeting there in a certain way.
I would really like that…

If they really nerf the VoJ passive to 1 stack of burning for 1 second, the cond guardian will be even less viable. But I will wait to see what direction they will make.

But I do agree, the Permeating Wrath should be around the enemy instead around the Guardian. This would make more reliable and viable to use Scepter with this trait. Maybe even with the new weapon (longbow).

I really hope they stop with the mentality of “In a good place”. There are a lot of QoL changes and even balance that must be done in the class (Sword, Shield and Torch #5 mainly).

Personally, I’m surprised they waited this long to put this into consideration. I’m 100% behind this idea, since I’m considering taking the virtues line after the trait rework anyways. While they’re at it, they should roll permeating wrath and absolute justice into one GM trait.