Guild Wars 2

Arena Net, if you really hate guardian so much please remove this class completely instead of nerfing us slowly.

We do not have enough HP, if we go to high damage build we will die more frequently than any classes in GW2 when doing dungeon. I don’t really play PvP but only PvE.

So I try a defensive build, the only damage output I have are from Greatsword and Retaliation. But I don’t have much HP, I need to keep healing myself. I can’t do kitten damage like Warriors do to the monsters without dying.

Why? Why you hate guardians? I start to wonder if Blizzard bought you company?

Please, reverse these changes.

if u want keep heal ur self there is a special traits that give u 75 hp every boon u apply at lvl 80 !
its simple u need to take the traits that give u might for u and ur ally every time u crit , now when u crit u apply boon , boon = 75 hp
if u have around 40% crit chance u be ok , more people around u more heal u get , found that very effective to stay alive !

AvivKing.5863:

if u want keep heal ur self there is a special traits that give u 75 hp every boon u apply at lvl 80 !
its simple u need to take the traits that give u might for u and ur ally every time u crit , now when u crit u apply boon , boon = 75 hp
if u have around 40% crit chance u be ok , more people around u more heal u get , found that very effective to stay alive !

Thanks for the tips. I am mad for the changes. =(

While the OP is exagerating…a lot…it is obvious that PvE is being nerfed for PvP, and is becoming the norm in this game. I was hoping for a better method tbh.

Oh, very dramatic. Especially the comment about Blizzard.
If you’re dying in dungeons, it’s likely your own fault. Also, the nerfs don’t affect PvE that much. The most annoying thing is probably the muscle memory.

When i read the patchnotes (nerf ) I actually thought the exact same as OP….oh no not again just remove Guardian from GW2

I cant relate to the OP at all, have you tried a knight-set? Go with berserker accessories if you need more crit dmg. Also try Retributive Armor-talent from Valor.

The issue is that nerf felt like using a hammer to kill a fly: it causes colateral damage to many builds based on symbols.
If truely Anet is not happy with retaliation, why don’t they nerf the numbers, or replace it with another boon? instead they utterly destroy one of the rare offensive weapons at our disposal.
To me this is the first example of bad thinking I witness from Anet, and I’m bit disappointed.

I’m talking as a supportive player.
Guardian got a lot of USELLESS skills and traits.

Some skills like Orb of Light, Merciful Intervention andHealing Breeze that NEED friendly target cause the 50% of time you waste it.
5° shield is bugged and doesn’t push back foes… the Staff simply sucks… no traits for boost the shield skills… all the healings are too small… 300hp hot and 2000 heal every 60 sec (it’s NOTHING compair to the amount of damage)…

How can you support in this way?

Anet hate healers and supporters and create a full DPS game…
And than they put a supportive class in it…
The result?
Guardian

Leeain.2431:

I’m talking as a supportive player.
Guardian got a lot of USELLESS skills and traits.

Some skills like Orb of Light, Merciful Intervention andHealing Breeze that NEED friendly target cause the 50% of time you waste it.
5° shield is bugged and doesn’t push back foes… the Staff simply sucks… no traits for boost the shield skills… all the healings are too small… 300hp hot and 2000 heal every 60 sec (it’s NOTHING compair to the amount of damage)…

How can you support in this way?

Anet hate healers and supporters and create a full DPS game…
And than they put a supportive class in it…
The result?
Guardian

omg stop kittening crying, stop trying to play the game like its wow, there is no trinity so dont try to say your playing a healer if they wanted a healer they would of kept the monk.

@Leelain: You arguments on this subject mostly boils down to: "I can’t support in the way I want to, therefor Arenanet hates support, which is ridiculous.
Support is so much more than healing.
I, however, must admit that I perceive support as weaker than control or damage as well.

Support are weaker…

Yes Ynna, support is much more than healig… i know…
The problem is that they create some skills like Mercifull Intervention that NEED a target… but this is a “no friendly target” game… so at the end the skill is useless. :\
Remove it, change it, create a target skill… i don’t care… but not like this.

Mercifull intervention teleport on your self, or to a full life ally! T_T
Orb of light disappear on the ground and some times doesn’t detonate…
5° Shield doesn’t push back foes (is a bug).
Healing Breeze use enemy target (!!) and all the team mates dodge it so is impossible aim. If you are aiming in the right place, your character turn his head on the side (enemy taget) and use the cone in the wrong place…
Line of warding can be jumped and dodge…
Staff is the worst weapon ever…

Aiura, you call it kittening crying?
lol…

Even if i can support in the way i would like, this bugs/wrong mechanic still be there.

I’m not crying because i wanna be healer… i’m crying because the 80% of my supportive skills doesn’t works and Anet seems don’t care about it.
That’s why i suppose that they hate support.

Most of the issues you mention are bugs, thus non-intended.
And changing skills takes longer than just adjusting durations and cooldowns.
And 80% is a number you just made up. Just like Arenanet not caring. They might care, they might not. There’s no evidence pointing in either direction.

I rlly hope thing will change.
So if Anet care about it, we will se.

They don´t care about us ;(

This is really funny, Aren finally start balancing classes nerfing one of 3 most OP atm and what? Whine…
Please understand they know what they are doing and realize that guardians were imbalanced.

Yeah, delete the whole class. That’s not horribly melodramatic at all. Sweet Dwayna, some of you guys respond to nerfs in the most unbelievable ways.

bartoszq.9540:

This is really funny, Aren finally start balancing classes nerfing one of 3 most OP atm and what? Whine…
Please understand they know what they are doing and realize that guardians were imbalanced.

I think that most of the people in this thread are whining idiots, but you aren’t any better. You’re crazy if you think that Guardian is or as been OP. Especially when it comes to PvP.

“Oh but they’re so tough to kill they just won’t die. Bunker build blah blah” I wanna know how many times you’ve been killed by a bunker build. If the answer is greater than 0, you should quit the game. Right now.

Guardians aren’t able to do the most damage (Warrior/Ele), can’t tank the most damage (Warrior easily), can’t attack from walls in WvW (unlike every other class), their support skills/healing is mediocre at best. Guardians really don’t have a particular niche. People who think they can tank ungodly amounts are crazy. With a defensive build, we can take a lot of hits, but so can a Warrior. You just never see defensive Warriors because EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM has a greatsword.

As for the retaliation, that shouldn’t last indefinitely, its kinda unfair. But so are plenty of skills/effects that the other classes have.

I didn’t use a retaliation build because I foresaw a retaliation nerf coming a mile away. Quite like my shouts.

I agree with the OP. This class feels pointless in a game that is all about staying at range, dodging and kiting everything.
Here are other gripes:
1) The base health pool should be higher. The guardian’s base health pool is equal worst of all classes,
2) i) Active defense would make sense if cooldowns were shorter and powers lasted longer. I often find myself with no more powers left to activate,
ii) People don’t do combos because the fields are gone before they get chance to. Any combo seems to be randomly fired. People don’t stand in symbols to get heals because they are too busy dodging and kiting or they can’t get across the battlefield to do it before the symbol is gone. I often find myself with no more powers left to activate,
3) Heavy armour doesn’t seem to have any more effect on incoming damage than light.

In this thread: People knee-jerk reacting.

Love this class, love the direction it is going, and even with the changes I am still OP.

I hate to say it, but … l2p or choose another class please

shield #5 does work….

Ynna.8769:

Oh, very dramatic. Especially the comment about Blizzard.
If you’re dying in dungeons, it’s likely your own fault. Also, the nerfs don’t affect PvE that much. The most annoying thing is probably the muscle memory.

Just because it doesn’t affect your build doesn’t mean that the nerf doesn’t affect PvE. It affects greatsword builds greatly. If you can’t see the obvious dps and synergy losses that are coming from the SoW changes then you just don’t understand what you were missing.

@kidbs: I see the losses. They’re there. I don’t like the way they handled it either, especially since they seem to be thinking about redesigning Retaliation anyway. But the loss is not that big. The sky isn’t burning. Guardians are still allright. I’ve seen bigger nerfs (in other games) with more level-headed reactions from the community.

Ynna.8769:

And 80% is a number you just made up. Just like Arenanet not caring. They might care, they might not. There’s no evidence pointing in either direction.

Wait, wouldn’t that be a 50% chance of Arenanet not caring then?

The whole redesigning of the GS is not so much a bad thing as it is unneeded. On one hand, we’re forced to play by this new design without having another say in it, which is a huge wag of the finger honestly, but its their game so we play by their rules. On the other, it’s nothing more than simply remembering key combinations. So it changed, change sucks, but we adapt.

If they really wanted to change how retal was being used, they’d change the skills and the traits to reflect this. If anything, anet is testing the waters with this change and, as they can see, it’s a mixed case of lukewarm and lava font.

“Wait, wouldn’t that be a 50% chance of Arenanet not caring then?”
Without going into actual percentages, there’s more probability for Arenanet caring, since most people would like their work to be as good as it can.
But yeah, in a vacuum, you’d be correct.

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