Guild Wars 2

Hi,
I main a condi guardian in pvp. Now when i say please revert amplified wrath i am ok with the dmg nurf but please remove the icd. I understand that the devs are probably scared of people using shelter with stack dmg. However you only get 1 tick off. If your power, gettign like 10 stacks of burn still wont be that impactful.. and If your condition, is it really that bad? you only get 1 tick of it unless u have max condi duration. And its a skill aspect to time it. But regaurdless of the dueling aspect of it. The main concern is for AOE. As a condi guard, one thing you can do it go in first, pop ur block. APPLy burn on all your enemies for a time (as its still duration inc atm) and then get out. It allows you to contribute to aoe dmg and feel impact.. The might on block nurf is also sad but i guess i can accept it.

Please revert the icd. I dont think itll do anything but help out an underrepresented archtype and it really helps out for aoe purposes.

Thank you very much.

IT would be perfectly fine to add a single target limiter so it doesnt get to insane in duels. But please leave the aoe asepct of it

Can we just revert all of Amplified Wrath please? And while we’re at it, get rid of the ICD for Might of the Protector too.

You know what? Let’s just revert all of the traits back to how they were when they first previewed them (except for Permeating Wrath, I suppose).

Probably the most unpopular opinion here but, I think the ICD is fine. We’ve got more application options now.

i want it reverted, I loved using it the way it was before.

If the ICD is a limiter for each unique target, I can live with that nerf… considering burns stack and Shelter could melt a Ranger quite easily.

It’s NOT OK if the following is the case:
“Five players hit you at once, only one player received a burn”

merchantchuck.4875:

i want it reverted, I loved using it the way it was before.

If you watch the ready up they talked about it. Because burning is intensity now if someone used a multi-hit attack like Whirling Wrath you could practically 1shot them with shelter.

Hopefully the ICD is just per target.

If having no ICD causes so much problem balance wise why not give it the Chilling Nova effect – effect can not occur more then X times in Y seconds. Also carry this over to Might of the Protector too.

This then provides a upper limit of stacks generated which should help balance but allows for a more powerful feeling behind the skill. This way if played right gives an added noticeable power to your burst which is what I feel Arenanet was going for with these 2 skills.

I see two play styles behind ICDs:

• 10sec ICD – Sustain playstyle that typically averages out the effect over time.
• No more then 3 times in 10 sec – Burst playstyle that allows for power spikes for short durations with guaranteed effect down time.

If might of the Protector had 3 stacks i could live with it. Burn After block world be VERY
strong but looking at other classes. They got hefty Stuff too.

1 sec ICD per target would be fine if not this is very bad.

They should just give us burn on crit >.>

Silhouette.5631:

They should just give us burn on crit >.>

We gain Zealot’s Flame on crit that counts for something.

Asmodal.6489:

If might of the Protector had 3 stacks i could live with it. Burn After block world be VERY
strong but looking at other classes. They got hefty Stuff too.

I like this idea. I would be okay with icd if we got 2-3 stacks of might or 2-3 stacks of burning. Currently 1:1 ratio just feels like a rip off because you’re not going to get much for well placed blocks.

Like someone mentioned, they talked about this in the video you can watch on YouTube. They were seeing 5k damage ticks of burning without the icd. The icds on both Amplified Wrath and Might of the Protector are fine. We have many more sources of block than just shelter.

So… what you’re saying is… You want a no ICD way to deal significant Condition Damage to enemies that hit you really fast?

Radiant Retaliation says hi.

At the very least they should make it a 1 second ICD per attacker

misterdevious.6482:

So… what you’re saying is… You want a no ICD way to deal significant Condition Damage to enemies that hit you really fast?

Radiant Retaliation says hi.

Radiant retaliation is broken and has been since it was created.

Even if it did work it would need a massive increase in scaling to actually be worth taking (like more then 2x what power gives since base power is 1k)

Pssst … Rune of the guardian

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

misterdevious.6482:

So… what you’re saying is… You want a no ICD way to deal significant Condition Damage to enemies that hit you really fast?

Radiant Retaliation says hi.

Radiant retaliation is broken and has been since it was created.

Even if it did work it would need a massive increase in scaling to actually be worth taking (like more then 2x what power gives since base power is 1k)

I agree with you with what Radiant Retaliation means, but I also agree with the guy you quoted with its role being with dealing with those multi hit attacks.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

misterdevious.6482:

So… what you’re saying is… You want a no ICD way to deal significant Condition Damage to enemies that hit you really fast?

Radiant Retaliation says hi.

Radiant retaliation is broken and has been since it was created.

Even if it did work it would need a massive increase in scaling to actually be worth taking (like more then 2x what power gives since base power is 1k)

Too massive and applying global retal in a group of 3+ people (or zerg) would be massively OP. Retaliation builds always caters to group/zergy scenarios while Amplified Wrath is more engaging, bursty, playstyle.

Anywho, that’s how I look at Radiant Retaliation and retaliation in general. The bug on the trait just needs to be fixed.

Ghotistyx.6942:

Like someone mentioned, they talked about this in the video you can watch on YouTube. They were seeing 5k damage ticks of burning without the icd. The icds on both Amplified Wrath and Might of the Protector are fine. We have many more sources of block than just shelter.

Keep in mind that they also slashed the bonus burning damage from 33% to 15%. I think that if they’re going to give it an ICD that it should at least apply 2 or 3 stacks of burning per proc instead of just one.

Saiyan.1704:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

misterdevious.6482:

So… what you’re saying is… You want a no ICD way to deal significant Condition Damage to enemies that hit you really fast?

Radiant Retaliation says hi.

Radiant retaliation is broken and has been since it was created.

Even if it did work it would need a massive increase in scaling to actually be worth taking (like more then 2x what power gives since base power is 1k)

Too massive and applying global retal in a group of 3+ people (or zerg) would be massively OP. Retaliation builds always caters to group/zergy scenarios while Amplified Wrath is more engaging, bursty, playstyle.

Anywho, that’s how I look at Radiant Retaliation and retaliation in general. The bug on the trait just needs to be fixed.

The point is if it doesn’t scale massively better with condition damage (at least 2x better) then there is no point in the trait because your base power is 1k and can easily reach 2k using carrion/rampager gear which is always going to be better then something like dire/rabid.

Frankly they should just make the trait a base line effect for every class that if your power is lower then your condition damage retaliation will instead scale off of condition damage.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

Saiyan.1704:

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

misterdevious.6482:

So… what you’re saying is… You want a no ICD way to deal significant Condition Damage to enemies that hit you really fast?

Radiant Retaliation says hi.

Radiant retaliation is broken and has been since it was created.

Even if it did work it would need a massive increase in scaling to actually be worth taking (like more then 2x what power gives since base power is 1k)

Too massive and applying global retal in a group of 3+ people (or zerg) would be massively OP. Retaliation builds always caters to group/zergy scenarios while Amplified Wrath is more engaging, bursty, playstyle.

Anywho, that’s how I look at Radiant Retaliation and retaliation in general. The bug on the trait just needs to be fixed.

The point is if it doesn’t scale massively better with condition damage (at least 2x better) then there is no point in the trait because your base power is 1k and can easily reach 2k using carrion/rampager gear which is always going to be better then something like dire/rabid.

Frankly they should just make the trait a base line effect for every class that if your power is lower then your condition damage retaliation will instead scale off of condition damage.

Good point.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

The point is if it doesn’t scale massively better with condition damage (at least 2x better) then there is no point in the trait because your base power is 1k and can easily reach 2k using carrion/rampager gear which is always going to be better then something like dire/rabid.

If you check the wiki, you only need 927 ConD to surpass an equal investment in power based retaliation, which is easy to get when building for that. Even with the updated base stats you won’t be pressed to hit 1k, and after you’ve got the threshold condi will still always beat power.

Also, word on the street was RR was getting even better scaling, but that’s just conjecture for now. The only thing that’s really killing it is the bug preventing that scaling.

Ragnar the Rock.3174:

At the very least they should make it a 1 second ICD per attacker

Anet’s Guardian dev is too lazy/doesn’t care enough to do that.

Also why is radiant retal still broken? They talk about it on the ready up but does anyone read these forums to know that its been broken forever?

Spartacus.3192:

Anet’s Guardian dev is too lazy/doesn’t care enough to do that.

You make it seem like they actually have someone dedicated to Guardian balancing. Good joke.

Black Box.9312:

Spartacus.3192:

Anet’s Guardian dev is too lazy/doesn’t care enough to do that.

You make it seem like they actually have someone dedicated to Guardian balancing. Good joke.

I like to give them the benefit of the doubt but then again in the Ready Up, Karl really didn’t sound like he knew the guardian well at all. Compare that to the Engi dev that was speaking and its worlds apart.

Luthic.7290:

IT would be perfectly fine to add a single target limiter so it doesnt get to insane in duels. But please leave the aoe asepct of it

I don’t think I’ve seen guardians running around dueling players with huge might stacks, it don’t happen, and if it does it’s very short lived.
In team fights it makes total sense to reward blocked attacks with might stacks. It is how the guard is supposed to be played.
“True guardians are brilliant tacticians and selfless defenders who know when to sacrifice their own defenses to empower their allies to achieve victory.”