Please help need a good tank build for pve
There are no tanks in this game.
There is no loyalty without betrayal. -Ann Smiley
Don’t do that lol. I suppose you are new to the game. First of all, there is not tank or healer in the game. You have good basic self heal and healing power scale really badly, so nobody will be able to keep you alive and you won’t be able to tank stuff. A group of tanky character can faceroll a dungeon (this was done and posted), but it was a joke and the run took forever. DPS should be you main focus, and you should only take the defense you need to stay alive while learning how to play your profession.
There are no tanks in this game.
What our friend here means to say is that there is no active tanking in the game; we don’t have tools that taunt and hold aggro on mobs like other games.
What he’s not telling you is that there are builds that take hits better than others, though how useful that might be as a focus on a build is debatable since no one definitively knows WHAT attributes determines which player draws aggro or WHEN; it seems rather random at times, though some people get more agg than others.
Since no one can play to actively tank, it doesn’t make sense to present you a build for tanking but if you are looking for a build that takes a hit better than anything else, it would be Knights gear and a hammer for the frequent application of the protection boon through it’s symbol.
To suggest actual traits themselves, I will leave that to someone else but be aware that SOMEONE is definitely going to throw the meta at you; a build that requires a minimum threshold of competence to play and knowledge of the content you are going to do. When they do, you should be aware that this is the build that many highly competent players use. You should try it to see if it suits you.
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There are better builds out there, but if you are just getting used to the class this build will be useful to your party and very survivable, not optimal but good for new players,
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQFASlUgiC3FyIEfYFRWBRafAg1HiHmCM6xrCJE-jwBBYgAkfAZmKrpmCi9BFRjVXDT5iIqWKgnGGB-e
Try this one. http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQNAS5dlUgyC3FyvDfYFRWBRaLo+Q8wegxPuxrCJE-jQwAV2ioxCA-e
Every third of your auto attacks gives vuln, protection to nearby allies and heals them. Some of your traits will give toughness and regen to your allies. Don’t be afraid to use your Virtues more often, Your elite will refresh the cooldowns.
Full zerkers or gtfo, that is what people will tell you. And don’t worry about the change to crit damage because zerk will still be the meta unless anet completely changes the mechanics of this game, which will not happen. Going tanky will only pull the group behind.
Full zerkers or gtfo, that is what people will tell you. And don’t worry about the change to crit damage because zerk will still be the meta unless anet completely changes the mechanics of this game, which will not happen. Going tanky will only pull the group behind.
This is true, apart from the fact he is obviously a new player and playing full zerk as a new player isn’t going to be viable as he will spend the majority of his time on the floor
I like this build if you want to play support.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3AzFX-VUqk
and this if you are still leveling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7g78BllcxY
but just to make things clear, make a full zerk set as people will expect you to have it.
There are no tanks in this game.
What our friend here means to say is that there is no active tanking in the game; we don’t have tools that taunt and hold aggro on mobs like other games.
What he’s not telling you is that there are builds that take hits better than others, though how useful that might be as a focus on a build is debatable since no one definitively knows WHAT attributes determines which player draws aggro or WHEN; it seems rather random at times, though some people get more agg than others.
Since no one can play to actively tank, it doesn’t make sense to present you a build for tanking but if you are looking for a build that takes a hit better than anything else, it would be Knights gear and a hammer for the frequent application of the protection boon through it’s symbol.
To suggest actual traits themselves, I will leave that to someone else but be aware that SOMEONE is definitely going to throw the meta at you; a build that requires a minimum threshold of competence to play and knowledge of the content you are going to do. When they do, you should be aware that this is the build that many highly competent players use. You should try it to see if it suits you.
Tank = pulling aggro to you and eating hits.
Survivability = Being able to last a long time
A full cleric bearbow at 1500 range is super survivable. He isn’t a tank because nothing is targeting him at that distance. OP said he is “the tank for a mesmer and ranger” so I assume he actually wants to pull aggro. Unfortunately there’s no way to do that in any consistent way, most of the “I totally did this thing once and everything was attacking me” stories are purely anecdotal. What structured testing I’ve done and have seen others do haven’t turned up any actual objective difference in aggro.
Just run knights gear with zerker trinkets, hammer + mace/shield.
You will be able to mitigate loads of dmg and heal / protect your group while dpsing.
I’m not into melting mobs or seeing a cascade of numbers, I’m the one that keeps your squishy pure dps class alive.
Assuming it’s not too late: Painbow’s build is pretty good for a new player that wants to provide some protection for his friends. I said “provide protection”, not “tank”, as there is no tanking in this game…and you will literally be applying the Protection boon (buff) all the time, heh. It’s pretty durable build, and doesn’t lack in damage, either.
It uses Hammer as primary weapon, and I support CYB’s recommendation of Mace+Shield as secondary, as a defensive setup. For your gear, mix Knight’s with Berserker’s/Valkyrie gear and trinkets, and you’re good to go.
Hey guys I am playing a charr guardian in my group and am the tank for a Mesmer and hunter and I am looking for a good tank build. what skills, weapons, sigils and runes would best accomplish this I figure that healing might also be important but I don’t know. Any suggestions would be welcomed!
New, I take it? Guessing by description and wording. Erm so, nope. None of that is actually important
So, I’m sure everyone has already told you no tanks, all dps. Basically, that’s it for PvE. You are still new though and there is a learning curve. Maybe take some Knight’s gear while you learn how to stay alive.
The best thing you can do as a guardian is invest in consecrations. These have the best PvE utility for the Guardian and will be the best things you can use to support your team. That, along with Aegis and Absolute Resolution trait + PF to cleanse conditions.
As far as a build goes, I would recommend Obal’s Hammer Guardian build. It isn’t the top DPS spec but it offers some good benefits as well as some solid DPS output. You will have 0 problems staying alive and supporting the team in an active way instead of being a leech in PVT gear spamming 1 and 4 on staff.
instead of being a leech in PVT gear spamming 1 and 4 on staff.
Meanwhile, while running around LA, I don’t see Guardian’kittenting Empower at all. I seem to be the only one in the area. I’m having to type out for fire fields to blast. I’m in a Zerker blend, even have a level 10 Zerker twink I ran in LA without much of an issue.
Where would i find Obals Hammer Guardian build you directed him to it but i cant seem to find it anywhere
Where would i find Obals Hammer Guardian build you directed him to it but i cant seem to find it anywhere
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guide-DPS-Guardian-for-PVE/first
Just run knights gear with zerker trinkets, hammer + mace/shield.
You will be able to mitigate loads of dmg and heal / protect your group while dpsing.I’m not into melting mobs or seeing a cascade of numbers, I’m the one that keeps your squishy pure dps class alive.
This attitude is similar but MUCH better than the one that a near failed SE1 group I was in had. 3 guardians including me, 1 staff ele, mesmer. Before starting starting one of the guards says “stacking on the 3 golems hasn’t been working recently”…. Oh god staff camping cleric, I just know it. He was mace/shield staff… he swapped at least. Ele was in water so much I never got a might blast off. Other guard was hybrid and the mesmer wasn’t traited right but at least he used sword/X for his 2 sets. But I was like “Its Just SE1, its not like its actually hard, I’ve trioed this successfully and with little effort”… We cleared the first part without too much trouble, just took a bit longer than normal due to above issues. Get to the 3 golems. Stack up, I pop my wall, and use my burst damage skills. Golems get hammered pretty badly by me… But no other damage was done so they aren’t dead by the time my wall goes down and I run out of burst skills. Party starts taking damage, one of the guard pops his wall, still taking too much damage, I start rotating in aegis skills and condition cleanses. Still taking too much… I go down, rest of party goes down a split second later. Noticed that the other guards players expended any effort trying to do damage, all of their actions were dedicated towards “healing” One had the healing tome out when he went down.
Yeah, extreme and sad example. We got through it on the next attempt after I threatened to kill the instance if they didn’t equip their dps weapons and contribute something actually useful and wanted for once (like how is 4 minutes of effective progress up to that point even a threat, its not like I was threatening to kill 30 minutes of arah progress). Still took too long because they were traited/geared for wvw or something equally as relevant to dungeons but at least they were using GS and FGS was actually thrown down instead of summoned elementals.
Point of the story is “while some support/survival is nice, Never go FULL healer/tank”
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I’m the one that keeps your squishy pure dps class alive.
Dodging, blocks and blinds keep my squishy dps class alive while I see a cascade of numbers. You make it take longer for me to complete content.
#FreeDolan
I’m the one that keeps your squishy pure dps class alive.
Dodging, blocks and blinds keep my squishy dps class alive while I see a cascade of numbers. You make it take longer for me to complete content.
Maybe, but his motivation to play isn’t to make you complete content faster, it’s for him to get his own satisfaction from playing on his own terms. It’s great when those two things align but they don’t have to.
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I’m the one that keeps your squishy pure dps class alive.
Dodging, blocks and blinds keep my squishy dps class alive while I see a cascade of numbers. You make it take longer for me to complete content.
Maybe, but his motivation to play isn’t to make you complete content faster, it’s for him to get his own satisfaction from playing on his own terms. It’s great when those two things align but they don’t have to.
I hate the “I play how I want” answer in regards to group content. On both sides to be honest, but I tend to side with the zerkers because that actually requires more skill than having high healing power/toughness and using gear/trait based passive defense (that and its horribly ineffective/inefficient to facetank at the expensive of damage). I don’t need the “healers” contribution at all and if they are receiving satisfaction from “healing” the 5% damage that I’ve taken (usually from enemy retaliation or some piddling condition) they are being both an idiot and worthless. My active healing on both of my main classes heals almost half of my health with 0-50 healing power, and since I don’t actually need healing I use them as blocks (shelter and mirror) more often than not. I only use mirror in some fights because on mesmer I traited for more damage with mantras prepared, and I get through most fights without even popping it once.
A group with people who know how to play (and the game has been out for a year and a half, there is not excuse other than laziness for most people) doesn’t need anybody holding their hand with heals.
That being said I hear its possible to /dance in the aoe of many “pug stomper” fights if you go full defensive (I once stood in the whirl of Butcher in HotW when I specced my guardian for full tank green rarity just to show it could be done, though I didn’t actually /dance, I used some healing), so if you have no problem roleplaying that you are playing WoW go ahead and spec a healer cleric or unkillable tank and use your skills on cooldown while having the hunter kite the boss around.
I’m the one that keeps your squishy pure dps class alive.
Dodging, blocks and blinds keep my squishy dps class alive while I see a cascade of numbers. You make it take longer for me to complete content.
Maybe, but his motivation to play isn’t to make you complete content faster, it’s for him to get his own satisfaction from playing on his own terms. It’s great when those two things align but they don’t have to.
Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information. He’s been mislead by people in this very forum. But he’s not alone, every tanky guardian thinks they carried the team and the only reason everyone is alive is because of them, not realizing they often made it harder for the other people to stay alive because the fight dragged on so long. They think they’re pro if they’re the last man standing, it’s sad.
If someone wants to play a tank, by all means play how you want. If I’m in a pug, I expect everyone to have a horrible build (luckily I usually only pug Arah for fun anymore). But don’t for a second think you carried everyone and made the instance easier, you didn’t.
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Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.
Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick. Besides, he’s not being provided false information … he’s asking about a good tanky build for PVE. If it makes him happy to play one, he should.
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Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.
Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick .
You’re talking to brick walls m8. The toxicity of this forum is well preserved. It’s meta or nothing.
Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.
Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick .
You’re talking to brick walls m8. The toxicity of this forum is well preserved. It’s meta or nothing.
I think its more of we are trying to avoid incoming: “Getting kicked from groups, wth is up with these exploiters/stackers/skippers?” threads in the dungeon forum. Tanking isn’t a “thing” in GW2 because of how the aggro mechanic works. You don’t need much passive damage mitigation because the active ones are so powerful and the opportunity cost to be “tanky” is too high. Also there is no real challenge in facetanking compared to needing flawless execution (despite idiot claims to the contrary, running zerk leaves very little margin for error compared to cleric/soldiers/ect). If you can’t run full zerk, run knights or valk, its a good starter set. Good enough for mistakes damage mitigation with very small sacrifice in damage potential
Yes, you’re discouraging people playing a certain way to save them the heartache of being kicked from groups. How kind ><
If your goal is to obtain agro, the easiest method is to have a large armor rating.
At 3500 armor I have no problem gaining the attention of nearly every enemy.
Yes, you’re discouraging people playing a certain way to save them the heartache of being kicked from groups. How kind ><
People who play that way get kicked because its an ineffective style of play. So yes, its more kind that telling them a kitten is actually a diamond.
try full clerics 0/0/30/30/10
tank like hulk
Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.
Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick .
You’re talking to brick walls m8. The toxicity of this forum is well preserved. It’s meta or nothing.
It’s so odd how truth is toxic and misinformation is all fine and dandy in your worlds. No matter how hard you two want to believe it, tanks are not helpful in dungeons in this game.
If someone wants to run a tank, I’m fine with it, but you’re kidding yourself when you say you’re keeping the team alive or carrying the team like so many believe. I’m simply pointing out that fact. If it’s fun for you, awesome, that’s why we all play the game. But there’s no reason to delude yourself and say your carrying everyone when you’re not.
And as much as you guys despise people telling the truth about gw2 pve game play, myself and others will always try make sure new/uninformed people are fully informed before jumping into Clerics/PVT/etc gear.
There are many people, like myself, who find it fun to be efficient and as useful to the team as possible. If running tanky made me the most useful to the team, that’s what I’d run. It’s happens that in this game, dps is more important. The people who are like myself, when armed with this information will choose a meta build. There are also people who are more idealistic, they have fun playing a certain style no matter what, and that’s fine too. I’m simply trying to inform people, then they can decide. Are they a person who has more fun being at peak usefulness regardless of build? Or are they a person who has more fun playing a specific style?
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Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.
Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick .
You’re talking to brick walls m8. The toxicity of this forum is well preserved. It’s meta or nothing.
It’s so odd how truth is toxic and misinformation is all fine and dandy in your worlds.
…“blah, blah, blah” …
I don’t think I’ve made a factual statement or given any misinformation, so I’m puzzled by your reply here and the dribble that follows it. You’re going to have to point out exactly where you think I’ve given misinformation in this thread’s context.
If you’re talking about my statement about the toxicity of certain people on this forum, well that’s opinion, much akin to the subject of viability of builds and to the subject matter Obtena was trying to state, which I noticed you ignored. Would you like another strawman to play with?
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Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.
Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick .
You’re talking to brick walls m8. The toxicity of this forum is well preserved. It’s meta or nothing.
It’s so odd how truth is toxic and misinformation is all fine and dandy in your worlds.
…“blah, blah, blah” …I don’t think I’ve made a factual statement or given any misinformation, so I’m puzzled by your reply here and the dribble that follows it. You’re going to have to point out exactly where you think I’ve given misinformation in this thread’s context.
If you’re talking about my statement about the toxicity of certain people on this forum, well that’s opinion, much akin to the subject of viability of builds and to the subject matter Obtena was trying to state, which I noticed you ignored. Would you like another strawman to play with?
I pointed out misinformation and you called me a brick wall and implied I am toxic. You get so uptight anyone mentions a meta build, they’re just builds, no one is forcing anyone to use them. However, it has been inarguably proven by mounds of evidence that these builds are the most efficient for dungeoning and will continue to be as they constantly evolve with the game. As such, I will recommend them. At least people will be informed of the pve meta game. If they don’t want to use the builds, fine, I have no ill will as I’ve already stated.
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Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.
Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick .
You’re talking to brick walls m8. The toxicity of this forum is well preserved. It’s meta or nothing.
It’s so odd how truth is toxic and misinformation is all fine and dandy in your worlds.
…“blah, blah, blah” …I don’t think I’ve made a factual statement or given any misinformation, so I’m puzzled by your reply here and the dribble that follows it. You’re going to have to point out exactly where you think I’ve given misinformation in this thread’s context.
If you’re talking about my statement about the toxicity of certain people on this forum, well that’s opinion, much akin to the subject of viability of builds and to the subject matter Obtena was trying to state, which I noticed you ignored. Would you like another strawman to play with?
I pointed out misinformation and you called me a brick wall and implied I am toxic. You get so uptight anyone mentions a meta build, they’re just builds, no one is forcing anyone to use them. However, it has been inarguably proven by mounds of evidence that these builds are the most efficient for dungeoning and will continue to be as they constantly evolve with the game. As such, I will recommend them. At least people will be informed of the pve meta game. If they don’t want to use the builds, fine, I have no ill will as I’ve already stated.
I have no idea where you’re getting your misinformation about me from but I’ve never argued against using meta builds for efficience.
Also, it’s not me who gets uptight about builds. You and your kindred spirits are all “Meta build or DIAF, this other build sux0rz!!!!1!!!!!11!!!!!” This is the toxicity/brick wall I refer to as the general attitude some fo the PvE’ers here have.
And finally, since when is opinion misinformation? I believe happiness is in the realm of the specific opinion of a person and has a bit of trouble when it comes to “inarguably proven by mounds of evidence.”
If a certain build makes a player happy, then it’s their right and opinion to like it, whether it be the most effective build or ineffective build. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder m8. You can’t factualize that.
Too bad the “satisfaction from playing on his own terms” he derives is from false information.
Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick .
You’re talking to brick walls m8. The toxicity of this forum is well preserved. It’s meta or nothing.
It’s so odd how truth is toxic and misinformation is all fine and dandy in your worlds.
…“blah, blah, blah” …I don’t think I’ve made a factual statement or given any misinformation, so I’m puzzled by your reply here and the dribble that follows it. You’re going to have to point out exactly where you think I’ve given misinformation in this thread’s context.
If you’re talking about my statement about the toxicity of certain people on this forum, well that’s opinion, much akin to the subject of viability of builds and to the subject matter Obtena was trying to state, which I noticed you ignored. Would you like another strawman to play with?
I pointed out misinformation and you called me a brick wall and implied I am toxic. You get so uptight anyone mentions a meta build, they’re just builds, no one is forcing anyone to use them. However, it has been inarguably proven by mounds of evidence that these builds are the most efficient for dungeoning and will continue to be as they constantly evolve with the game. As such, I will recommend them. At least people will be informed of the pve meta game. If they don’t want to use the builds, fine, I have no ill will as I’ve already stated.
I have no idea where you’re getting your misinformation about me from but I’ve never argued against using meta builds for efficience.
Also, it’s not me who gets uptight about builds. You and your kindred spirits are all “Meta build or DIAF, this other build sux0rz!!!!1!!!!!11!!!!!” This is the toxicity/brick wall I refer to as the general attitude some fo the PvE’ers here have.
At least three times in this thread I’ve emphasized ‘Yes, I will inform people of the meta game and meta build, but if they choose otherwise I wish them no ill will’. You hear “Meta build or DIAF, this other build sux0rz!!!!1!!!!!11!!!!!”. If you’d set aside your unhealthy disdain for a build (lol), you could communicate more effectively.
And finally, since when is opinion misinformation? I believe happiness is in the realm of the specific opinion of a person and has a bit of trouble when it comes to “inarguably proven by mounds of evidence.”
That statement had nothing to do with misinformation. If you use the full quote you’ll get a better context. “However, it has been inarguably proven by mounds of evidence that these builds are the most efficient for dungeoning and will continue to be as they constantly evolve with the game.” That statement is fact, it has nothing to do with opinion, there is overwhelming evidence at this point. That debate has long since sailed.
If a certain build makes a player happy, then it’s their right and opinion to like it, whether it be the most effective build or ineffective build. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder m8. You can’t factualize that.
I didn’t factualize that. In fact I’ve practically said the same thing this entire time. You’re just so blinded since I recommended a meta build all you see is "Meta build or DIAF, this other build sux0rz!!!!1!!!!!11!!!!!”.
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Not going to quote because it’s getting ridiculously long, but….
I’ll admit I generalized you with your PvE forumitte ilk, but the general attitude toward other builds based on similar posts fits the bill, so if the shoe fits…. If you don’t have that attitude, then you shouldn’t feel fronted. My brick wall comment wasn’t aimed specifically at you anyways.
Moving on, let me quote Obtena, which is what I was actually commenting on in the first place:
“Does it matter? If he’s happy playing, it’s really not relevant where it originates from. People figure out what they like pretty quick.”
Where in the world do you pull misinformation from in that statement. Once again, happiness is relative to opinion, not fact. I’m not sure why you keep harping on that.
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The misinformation I was referring to was the same post Obtena was referring to.
Just run knights gear with zerker trinkets, hammer + mace/shield.
You will be able to mitigate loads of dmg and heal / protect your group while dpsing.I’m not into melting mobs or seeing a cascade of numbers, I’m the one that keeps your squishy pure dps class alive.
The misinformation I was referring to was the same post Obtena was referring to.
Just run knights gear with zerker trinkets, hammer + mace/shield.
You will be able to mitigate loads of dmg and heal / protect your group while dpsing.I’m not into melting mobs or seeing a cascade of numbers, I’m the one that keeps your squishy pure dps class alive.
Then you need to take up your misinformation crusade with Obtena and Cyb not me. I merely was commenting on his statement about a player’s happiness and the PvE Elite views to it.
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You two need a room.
You two need a room.
lol, indeed.
0/0/30/20/20
Full clerics gear with dwayna runes
full clerics trinks
mace/focus
Staff
your dmg is poo poo. you cannot die. and your heals are amazing. therefore your group also cannot die in a dungeon.
your dmg is poo poo. you cannot die. and your heals are amazing. therefore your group also cannot die in a dungeon.
Surely you can provide a good explanation how all that amazing(ly useless) healing would save me from getting instagibbed on my guard/ele/thief if I failed to avoid any serious attack … of which there would be ample opportunity in a group with such a player, since fights will last significantly longer than necessary.
There is no loyalty without betrayal. -Ann Smiley
0/0/30/20/20
Full clerics gear with dwayna runes
full clerics trinksmace/focus
Staffyour dmg is poo poo. you cannot die. and your heals are amazing. therefore your group also cannot die in a dungeon.
10/10 would run
Use this OP, you’re basically like a paladin :dd heal like monk, hit like truck, tank like hulk