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Posted by: Chazcon.1867

Chazcon.1867

You know I’ve been a gamer a long time, and I’ve played a tank in every game. But in GW2 I’m a tank without a job, with little or no aggro mechanic. So I have tried to adapt, I love a tanky build, and I have a tanky support/healer build. But no one wants that. I was in a dungeon run tonight:

Leader: I didn’t know people still ran non-DH builds.
Me: I’m a melee, not a kitten archer.
Leader. haha. Well what kind of Guard are you?
Me: support
Leader: Can you switch out to DPS, we already have a Druid.

I built a DPS Guardian, and I built a Warrior, but I am not a DPS, I don’t like DPS. I’m a tank. I really don’t think GW2 is the game for me in my usual role.

Maybe I’ll just give in and roll a mage. Robe & sandals, staff, zoom pow zippp. Ugh.

You say, “FOR THE VITAE!”
Ru says, “CHAZ!”
Simply Red tells you, “I am SO not recovering your body!”

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Posted by: Kam.4092

Kam.4092

Why did you make a thread about this? This is pointless, and every class for dungeons should be DPS or it slows it down.

Guardians can “Tank” in raids.

You type this so sarcastically it’s insulting to read. If you want to tank always, then this game is not for you. This game does not have the whole “trinity” system other MMOs have.

Also these forums aren’t a blog. I can’t sympathize with you when you make such passive aggressive comments.

Every class having a melee and ranged weapon is optimal. You’re crippling yourself if you don’t have DH traited, and use a bow, or if you don’t use a Scepter as a back up ranged weapon. This game is about being versatile and meeting certain group needs. If you can’t do that, then yes. This game is not for you.

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Posted by: Scipion.7548

Scipion.7548

This is pointless, and every class for dungeons should be DPS or it slows it down.

This game does not have the whole “trinity” system other MMOs have.

Isnt that paradoxal ? If it is not a trinity system, the DPS role shouldnt exist, no ?

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Posted by: FatRaKoon.1782

FatRaKoon.1782

Not really. Not having a full trinity does not mean you don’t have some of its aspects. As far as GW2 is concerned, they only kept the DPS role from this trinity and spread the rest throughout each class.

The only reason we say that GW2 “does not have a trinity system” isn’t because it disappeared, but because one aspect is definitely stronger than the others. So you can’t call it a trinity. Simple as that and no paradox in there.

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Posted by: cranos.5913

cranos.5913

LOL threads like this still exist? xD

There’s a watered down trinity in raids but even then the whole “tanky gear” thing is completely unnecessary as you can tank the whole thing with a single toughness trinket.

If you want defined roles this rly isn’t the game for you. There are many games that lack tanks meaning instant queues, where threat management is a thing and tanking is actually somewhat skill based. I suggest you try one of those if you rly love the role so much.

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Posted by: Fashion Mage.3712

Fashion Mage.3712

Why are people pretending that healers aren’t a thing in raids? Even tanks are a thing, even if they mostly use berserker gear.

You type this so sarcastically it’s insulting to read. If you want to tank always, then this game is not for you. This game does not have the whole “trinity” system other MMOs have.

I don’t think you know what sarcastic means. I’m inclined to agree with his response; the only thing insulting to read is how pretentious your post is.

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Posted by: Mortifer.2946

Mortifer.2946

I agree with the OP.

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Posted by: cranos.5913

cranos.5913

Why are people pretending that healers aren’t a thing in raids? Even tanks are a thing, even if they mostly use berserker gear.

You type this so sarcastically it’s insulting to read. If you want to tank always, then this game is not for you. This game does not have the whole “trinity” system other MMOs have.

I don’t think you know what sarcastic means. I’m inclined to agree with his response; the only thing insulting to read is how pretentious your post is.

We’re not, however healers aren’t using tanky gear and a guardian healer is quite terrible. As for tanks, only 1 out of 3 rly needs it and let’s face it, your aggro mechanic is slap on some toughness and the boss is glued to you. If you truly enjoy the tanking game from other MMOs with proper rotations and threat management it’s definitely not even slightly the same.

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Posted by: Kam.4092

Kam.4092

Why are people pretending that healers aren’t a thing in raids? Even tanks are a thing, even if they mostly use berserker gear.

You type this so sarcastically it’s insulting to read. If you want to tank always, then this game is not for you. This game does not have the whole “trinity” system other MMOs have.

I don’t think you know what sarcastic means. I’m inclined to agree with his response; the only thing insulting to read is how pretentious your post is.

I think you need to read the definitions of sarcasm and pretentious. Then read his post again, and mine. He basically talked down on the game, and then made some sarcastic comments that could be mixed with being passive aggressive. To top it off then, his reply to me summed up his attitude. My reply was defending the game and telling him how he chose how to vent poorly, and that this type of thread did not need to be made.

I told him they could tank in raids, but he was in a dungeon.

Inserting a 3 boss raid that allows different uses of profession mechanics and gear options, does not mean the game overall is going to be reflected of what raids are.

Trying to tank in a dungeon like you would in a raid would not work well, and just slow things down. I know because I’ve tried doing what he’s said before. It’s just simply something that you can’t really do in this game.

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Posted by: Kam.4092

Kam.4092

This is pointless, and every class for dungeons should be DPS or it slows it down.

This game does not have the whole “trinity” system other MMOs have.

Isnt that paradoxal ? If it is not a trinity system, the DPS role shouldnt exist, no ?

DPS is an umbrella term that applies to doing damage to a boss/enemy to die. It is a roll that fits in with the trinity system, but in this game DPS is something that every profession does.

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

Agree with OP

DPS for win is stupid design.

If an even number of tanks were required on this new raid instead of mass amounts of DPS it might have been more interesting.

If damage wasn’t 1 shot in the raid tanks would be viable to a degree.

IF tanks were important to keep the DPS alive they wouldn’t come into a tank thread talking about “just dps”. DEVELOPERs dropped the ball with the design, NOT the player. The stupid developer didn’t make the class role viable. I hate you Anet.

The developers suck, and people like blaming people over the developers suckage is stupid.

Make a better design that includes everyone ANET not just cater to DPS=WIN crowd.

An equal amount of tanks and dps in raids? Not sure why that would be even slightly fun. Not to mention that tank is the least favourite role in most MMOs. Even with the just 1 or 2 tanks they need in a 20+ raid squad it could take long to fill if they used an lfg. DPS is the role with the largest amount of players in any raid for a reason.

Also bosses 1 shotting in raids? It’s clear how clueless you are about GW2 content.

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

Mercellas,
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Posted by: cranos.5913

cranos.5913

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Mercellas,
Guardian, Chef

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Posted by: cranos.5913

cranos.5913

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

Mercellas,
Guardian, Chef

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Posted by: cranos.5913

cranos.5913

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

I was talking about challenging, not absolute faceroll easy.

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

I was talking about challenging, not absolute faceroll easy.

Its easy because you know how to do it!

Mercellas,
Guardian, Chef

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

Fractals – You have one where you have to drag a boss around a dredge chamber while 1 person hits him with lava! – Another GREAT example of a dungeon that becomes easier with Knowledge and not with gear!

Mercellas,
Guardian, Chef

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Posted by: Kam.4092

Kam.4092

Fractals – You have one where you have to drag a boss around a dredge chamber while 1 person hits him with lava! – Another GREAT example of a dungeon that becomes easier with Knowledge and not with gear!

Do you like waffles?

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

Fractals – You have one where you have to drag a boss around a dredge chamber while 1 person hits him with lava! – Another GREAT example of a dungeon that becomes easier with Knowledge and not with gear!

Do you like waffles?

Do you like trolling? Want to waste time just send me mail so I can delete it without looking.

Mercellas,
Guardian, Chef

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Posted by: cranos.5913

cranos.5913

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

I was talking about challenging, not absolute faceroll easy.

Its easy because you know how to do it!

I’m sorry but if you want raid difficulty to be on AC level where every boss has a singular mechanic that’s just not going to happen. We obviously have very different ideas about what challenge means. Actual raid mechanics that we have now vs your 5sec boss fights… It’s safe to say that with difficulty comes having to look at your build properly and make the necessary adjustments. If you’re too stubborn to do that then I don’t envy the team that takes you on their runs.

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Posted by: Kam.4092

Kam.4092

Fractals – You have one where you have to drag a boss around a dredge chamber while 1 person hits him with lava! – Another GREAT example of a dungeon that becomes easier with Knowledge and not with gear!

Do you like waffles?

Do you like trolling? Want to waste time just send me mail so I can delete it without looking.

Are you saying you don’t like waffles?

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

I was talking about challenging, not absolute faceroll easy.

Its easy because you know how to do it!

I’m sorry but if you want raid difficulty to be on AC level where every boss has a singular mechanic that’s just not going to happen. We obviously have very different ideas about what challenge means. Actual raid mechanics that we have now vs your 5sec boss fights… It’s safe to say that with difficulty comes having to look at your build properly and make the necessary adjustments. If you’re too stubborn to do that then I don’t envy the team that takes you on their runs.

Great opinion. I still can’t play my character in this raid. Thanks for supporting ANET shutting my character out.

Mercellas,
Guardian, Chef

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Posted by: cranos.5913

cranos.5913

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

I was talking about challenging, not absolute faceroll easy.

Its easy because you know how to do it!

I’m sorry but if you want raid difficulty to be on AC level where every boss has a singular mechanic that’s just not going to happen. We obviously have very different ideas about what challenge means. Actual raid mechanics that we have now vs your 5sec boss fights… It’s safe to say that with difficulty comes having to look at your build properly and make the necessary adjustments. If you’re too stubborn to do that then I don’t envy the team that takes you on their runs.

Great opinion. I still can’t play my character in this raid. Thanks for supporting ANET shutting my character out.

You shut yourself out when you don’t want to change build. That’s no one’s fault but yours.

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

I was talking about challenging, not absolute faceroll easy.

Its easy because you know how to do it!

I’m sorry but if you want raid difficulty to be on AC level where every boss has a singular mechanic that’s just not going to happen. We obviously have very different ideas about what challenge means. Actual raid mechanics that we have now vs your 5sec boss fights… It’s safe to say that with difficulty comes having to look at your build properly and make the necessary adjustments. If you’re too stubborn to do that then I don’t envy the team that takes you on their runs.

Great opinion. I still can’t play my character in this raid. Thanks for supporting ANET shutting my character out.

You shut yourself out when you don’t want to change build. That’s no one’s fault but yours.

Anet made the raid. I play like I’ve always done. Its Them.

Mercellas,
Guardian, Chef

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

Blame the game, not the player.

Mercellas,
Guardian, Chef

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Posted by: cranos.5913

cranos.5913

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

I was talking about challenging, not absolute faceroll easy.

Its easy because you know how to do it!

I’m sorry but if you want raid difficulty to be on AC level where every boss has a singular mechanic that’s just not going to happen. We obviously have very different ideas about what challenge means. Actual raid mechanics that we have now vs your 5sec boss fights… It’s safe to say that with difficulty comes having to look at your build properly and make the necessary adjustments. If you’re too stubborn to do that then I don’t envy the team that takes you on their runs.

Great opinion. I still can’t play my character in this raid. Thanks for supporting ANET shutting my character out.

You shut yourself out when you don’t want to change build. That’s no one’s fault but yours.

Anet made the raid. I play like I’ve always done. Its Them.

And I pity the players that had to put up with this attitude in dungeons and fractals.

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

I was talking about challenging, not absolute faceroll easy.

Its easy because you know how to do it!

I’m sorry but if you want raid difficulty to be on AC level where every boss has a singular mechanic that’s just not going to happen. We obviously have very different ideas about what challenge means. Actual raid mechanics that we have now vs your 5sec boss fights… It’s safe to say that with difficulty comes having to look at your build properly and make the necessary adjustments. If you’re too stubborn to do that then I don’t envy the team that takes you on their runs.

Great opinion. I still can’t play my character in this raid. Thanks for supporting ANET shutting my character out.

You shut yourself out when you don’t want to change build. That’s no one’s fault but yours.

Anet made the raid. I play like I’ve always done. Its Them.

And I pity the players that had to put up with this attitude in dungeons and fractals.

But you said those were really easy and not challenging. No worries.

Mercellas,
Guardian, Chef

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Posted by: cranos.5913

cranos.5913

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

I was talking about challenging, not absolute faceroll easy.

Its easy because you know how to do it!

I’m sorry but if you want raid difficulty to be on AC level where every boss has a singular mechanic that’s just not going to happen. We obviously have very different ideas about what challenge means. Actual raid mechanics that we have now vs your 5sec boss fights… It’s safe to say that with difficulty comes having to look at your build properly and make the necessary adjustments. If you’re too stubborn to do that then I don’t envy the team that takes you on their runs.

Great opinion. I still can’t play my character in this raid. Thanks for supporting ANET shutting my character out.

You shut yourself out when you don’t want to change build. That’s no one’s fault but yours.

Anet made the raid. I play like I’ve always done. Its Them.

And I pity the players that had to put up with this attitude in dungeons and fractals.

But you said those were really easy and not challenging. No worries.

But made 10x longer, more tedious and boring by players like you.

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Posted by: Nethod.7068

Nethod.7068

I HAVEN"T HAD THE CHANCE TO PLAY IT BECAUSE OF THE PLAYER MADE META AND KICKING PEOPLE OUT OF GROUPS FOR DPS, The developers stupid meta.

Thanks for the reply…I don’t know anything about the raid because its designed against my character. Want to fire back with something else? I’m not even talking to you.

The rage is real. Why exactly should content be designed around your build preference? Unless you’re talking about the entire class?

No. It SHOULD include EVERYONE’s builds. the design IS BAD because its based on WIN=COMPOSITION/BUILDS/GEAR

Gw2 most of the content is SOCIAL, while this is stupid adverse from the rest of the entire buildup of the game.

I can play a tank from 1-80 get all the tank gear and after 5k hours of character development I have a player saying “Your not good enough.”

Thats stupid, I’d take a refund in a heartbeat.

Can you imagine a design where any build works that is still challenging?

ABSOLUTLY,

AC dungeon when they revamped path 2 – You don’t need anything specific but knowledge how to do it.

I was talking about challenging, not absolute faceroll easy.

Its easy because you know how to do it!

I’m sorry but if you want raid difficulty to be on AC level where every boss has a singular mechanic that’s just not going to happen. We obviously have very different ideas about what challenge means. Actual raid mechanics that we have now vs your 5sec boss fights… It’s safe to say that with difficulty comes having to look at your build properly and make the necessary adjustments. If you’re too stubborn to do that then I don’t envy the team that takes you on their runs.

Great opinion. I still can’t play my character in this raid. Thanks for supporting ANET shutting my character out.

You shut yourself out when you don’t want to change build. That’s no one’s fault but yours.

Anet made the raid. I play like I’ve always done. Its Them.

And I pity the players that had to put up with this attitude in dungeons and fractals.

But you said those were really easy and not challenging. No worries.

But made 10x longer, more tedious and boring by players like you.

Its part of the design, deal with it. – This is what your telling me to do. back at ya.

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Nethod.7068

Deal with the design guy, just deal with it and good luck.

I can’t even play that raid.
I can’t because of the design and you want it to stay that way.
You want me to change my build and the way I have always played and learn a completely different way to play so I’ll be able to enjoy this raid.
You want me to swap characters and gear just for this raid because if I don’t I just wont’ be able to play it. THanks guy, you care.

Can i get a refund yet ANET? I can’t even see what I paid for.

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Obtena.7952

The reluctance to accept change and adapt is strong with these ones. Funny that these people even subject themselves to MMO gaming in the first place.

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The reluctance to accept change and adapt is strong with these ones. Funny that these people even subject themselves to MMO gaming in the first place.

I love my guardian, 5 thousand hours and I can’t play him in this raid.

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Obtena.7952

The reluctance to accept change and adapt is strong with these ones. Funny that these people even subject themselves to MMO gaming in the first place.

I love my guardian, 5 thousand hours and I can’t play him in this raid.

Yeah, I read that. It doesn’t change the fact you don’t understand you are playing an MMO; MMO’s change all the time and how players interact with them must changes as well if they want to go along for the ride … so if that’s not something you’re willing to accept, why do you play them? If you don’t want to adapt, you shouldn’t be subjecting yourself to these kinds of game.

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The reluctance to accept change and adapt is strong with these ones. Funny that these people even subject themselves to MMO gaming in the first place.

I love my guardian, 5 thousand hours and I can’t play him in this raid.

Yeah, I read that. It doesn’t change the fact you don’t understand you are playing an MMO; MMO’s change all the time so if that’s not something you’re willing to accept, why do you play them?

I like tanks.

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Obtena.7952

Yup, I get that. So play one.

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Nethod.7068

Yup, I get that. So play one.

Yep. Deal with the design. Thanks for your input. Still can’t raid~

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I don’t see where the design prevents you from liking tanks, making a tank build or playing one;l it’s simply not optimal in most cases. You’re not explaining yourself very well here. If you’re serious about this, I suggest you have a little more of your thought process with people here, including Anet; otherwise it’s just a Rant.

If you’re suggesting a Guardian can’t tank because of the game design, I’m not going to argue with you about that because Guardians are very tanky. If you’re suggesting you can’t get a team to raid as a tank Guardian, that problem originates with you.

If you don’t like the way the game is designed, it’s funny that it’s taken you this long to recognize it. It’s not holy trinity and we were told that from launch; if that is such a barrier to you to like the game and play it, then I have little sympathy for you for subjecting yourself to it.

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Nethod.7068

I don’t see where the design prevents you from liking tanks, making a tank build or playing one;l it’s simply not optimal in most cases. You’re not explaining yourself very well here. If you’re serious about this, I suggest you have a little more of your thought process with people here, including Anet; otherwise it’s just a Rant.

If you’re suggesting a Guardian can’t tank because of the game design, I’m not going to argue with you about that because Guardians are very tanky. If you’re suggesting you can’t get a team to raid as a tank Guardian, that problem originates with you.

If you don’t like the way the game is designed, it’s funny that it’s taken you this long to recognize it. It’s not holy trinity and we were told that from launch; if that is such a barrier to you to like the game and play it, then I have little sympathy for you for subjecting yourself to it.

I would LOVE a refund for the content I cannot and will not get to see. Could you tell them to start passing out refunds?

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Nethod.7068

I’ll just watch the rest of HoT story from youtube.

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Obtena.7952

I don’t see where the design prevents you from liking tanks, making a tank build or playing one;l it’s simply not optimal in most cases. You’re not explaining yourself very well here. If you’re serious about this, I suggest you have a little more of your thought process with people here, including Anet; otherwise it’s just a Rant.

If you’re suggesting a Guardian can’t tank because of the game design, I’m not going to argue with you about that because Guardians are very tanky. If you’re suggesting you can’t get a team to raid as a tank Guardian, that problem originates with you.

If you don’t like the way the game is designed, it’s funny that it’s taken you this long to recognize it. It’s not holy trinity and we were told that from launch; if that is such a barrier to you to like the game and play it, then I have little sympathy for you for subjecting yourself to it.

I would LOVE a refund for the content I cannot and will not get to see. Could you tell them to start passing out refunds?

I’m sure you would but that’s a ridiculous position to have; Anet didn’t release the content guaranteeing unreasonable players unwilling to adapt to the situations they were presented would experience all content. Oh well.

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Nethod.7068

I don’t see where the design prevents you from liking tanks, making a tank build or playing one;l it’s simply not optimal in most cases. You’re not explaining yourself very well here. If you’re serious about this, I suggest you have a little more of your thought process with people here, including Anet; otherwise it’s just a Rant.

If you’re suggesting a Guardian can’t tank because of the game design, I’m not going to argue with you about that because Guardians are very tanky. If you’re suggesting you can’t get a team to raid as a tank Guardian, that problem originates with you.

If you don’t like the way the game is designed, it’s funny that it’s taken you this long to recognize it. It’s not holy trinity and we were told that from launch; if that is such a barrier to you to like the game and play it, then I have little sympathy for you for subjecting yourself to it.

I would LOVE a refund for the content I cannot and will not get to see. Could you tell them to start passing out refunds?

I’m sure you would but that’s a ridiculous position to have; Anet didn’t release the content guaranteeing unreasonable players unwilling to adapt to the situations they were presented would experience all content. Oh well.

No, they said “Heeeeeeeere’s hot guis!”

Then a wild raid appeared. And now we are here, me wanting a refund and you wanting content-per-skill-level? what do you want anyway?

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Obtena.7952

Developers give players content they need to adapt to all the time in MMOs, usually as problems they have to solve. I get it, you’re not a problem-solver .. you want all content to be the way you think it should be so you don’t have to do much thinking and when you don’t get it, you to think something went wrong.

That’s just not how MMO’s work. Better start looking into something else if you think MMO dev’s cater to every players desires.

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Nethod.7068

Developers give players content they need to adapt to all the time in MMOs, usually as problems they have to solve. I get it, you’re not a problem-solver .. you want all content to be the way you think it should be so you don’t have to do much thinking and when you don’t get it, you to think something went wrong.

That’s just not how MMO’s work. Better start looking into something else if you think MMO dev’s cater to every players desires.

Can you get off the passive aggressive garbage and stop personally attacking me? I have my views, you’re just being a troll.

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Obtena.7952

You’re views don’t make sense; You object to MMO’s making content that you purposefully reject yourself from because you’re not willing to solve problems, adapt to the situations your presented, acknowledge general MMO operation and development, etc….

That wouldn’t be so bad if you weren’t using your uninformed and unreasonable views and understanding to argue with people about how you think you deserve a refund because it’s Anet’s fault for bad design. Ever consider that it’s you being the problem here? Of course not.

You don’t like our discussion and think I’m trolling you? That’s a senseless accusation; You posted on this forum, opening yourself up for a discussion, now you don’t like the direction it’s having and people disagreeing with you, so they are trolls? OK.

I still don’t get the complaint; you play MMO’s, this is how they work. If you don’t like it, I don’t see much choice for you other than to make better choices. You want to play a tank in a game where only a sliver of the content requires it and even than, have to compete with other classes for that single tank spot in a raid? Time to find another game if I was in your position.

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Nethod.7068

You’re views don’t make sense; You object to MMO’s making content that you can’t experience 100% because you’re not willing to solve problems, adapt to the situations your presented, acknowledge general MMO operation and development.

That wouldn’t be so bad if you weren’t using your uninformed views to argue with people about how you think you deserve a refund, etc …

It doesn’t make sense that I can’t play the raid and I want a refund?

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King Cephalopod.7942

Nethod you need to calm the kitten down. It’s nice that you want tank stats to be important outside of wvw commanding; I do too. Getting all salty and whining won’t change anything. Raid wing 1 doesn’t call for a lot of toughness aggro nor does it demand that much survivability, but that may be different in future wings. Even then: if you want to run full potato, find people who like you enough to let you run full potato. PuGs have no reason to believe a rando who says “I’m running potato but trust me I’m good”

A little savagery now and then is relished by the wisest men.
Don’t cry, Signet of Mercy. Others may forget you, but I will always remember.
Our deficiencies may be overcome by practice and self-discipline.

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Nethod.7068

Nethod you need to calm the kitten down. It’s nice that you want tank stats to be important outside of wvw commanding; I do too. Getting all salty and whining won’t change anything. Raid wing 1 doesn’t call for a lot of toughness aggro nor does it demand that much survivability, but that may be different in future wings. Even then: if you want to run full potato, find people who like you enough to let you run full potato. PuGs have no reason to believe a rando who says “I’m running potato but trust me I’m good”

Hey thanks for telling me i’m salty and whiny.

Sorry for alerting a clear problem along with the original OP.

Can I have a refund for the content I’ll be missing? Only time will tell..

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Obtena.7952

You’re views don’t make sense; You object to MMO’s making content that you can’t experience 100% because you’re not willing to solve problems, adapt to the situations your presented, acknowledge general MMO operation and development.

That wouldn’t be so bad if you weren’t using your uninformed views to argue with people about how you think you deserve a refund, etc …

It doesn’t make sense that I can’t play the raid and I want a refund?

No it doesn’t, and I’ve already explained why.

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Nethod.7068

You’re views don’t make sense; You object to MMO’s making content that you can’t experience 100% because you’re not willing to solve problems, adapt to the situations your presented, acknowledge general MMO operation and development.

That wouldn’t be so bad if you weren’t using your uninformed views to argue with people about how you think you deserve a refund, etc …

It doesn’t make sense that I can’t play the raid and I want a refund?

No it doesn’t, and I’ve already explained why.

Ok.

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Guardian, Chef