Guild Wars 2

As the most of the guardians knows the build of Shout is really nice at WvW/Pve/PvP.
I am a guardian since the beta’s but I have changed to a warrior and now I want to do a guardian, after get 80 I was looking for a good build and I am a bit curious about Pure of Voice trait. The trait still bugged ? How it works with Soldier rune ? Just answer if you are sure. Thank you

I currently run with a shout Guardian and I can confirm that the trait isn’t bugged (or at least for me or anyone I have played with) and I just so happen to use Soldier runes as well. It all seems to work without bugs or glitches.

Aznhaxx.2054:

I currently run with a shout Guardian and I can confirm that the trait isn’t bugged (or at least for me or anyone I have played with) and I just so happen to use Soldier runes as well. It all seems to work without bugs or glitches.

I hope so. I was reading and the most of the forums told me that the trait is bugged, for now I am waiting for more answers. Thank you

This trait is bugged.

If I recall correctly from my last tests, without rune of soldiers it works only with Stand Your Ground and Retreat. Hold the line sometimes removes conditions but never converts them into boons while Save Yourselves doesn’t do anything.

With Rune of the Soldier it begins to work correctly but it still removes and converts just one condition while it should remove one and convert another.

I don’t know about converting but I always see two conditions removed when I use the shout with Pure of Voice and Soldier runes.

Aznhaxx.2054:

I don’t know about converting but I always see two conditions removed when I use the shout with Pure of Voice and Soldier runes.

Stand your ground and retreat are the shouts that the trait works.

Im really sad that Anet did’nt fix the trait before, conditions can be a huge problem for guardians.

Dico.4815:

Im really sad that Anet did’nt fix the trait before, conditions can be a huge problem for guardians.

Then you need to check out how you trait and what utility you use. We are probably the best profession in the game when it comes to condition removal.

But its bad that PoV is bugged for some people. Me, i get removal but seldom any conversions.

For context, I’ve run with a Pure of Voice build with 6/6 Soldier runes for about 200+ hours on my Guardian.

The trait still bugged ?

Yes. Retreat and Stand Your Ground are the only reliable ones the trait works with. Hold the Line and Save Yourselves have a 50% chance to fail.

How it works with Soldier rune ?

Pure of Voice will trigger first, converting a Condition into a Boon.
Next, Soldier rune triggers and removes another Condition.

Hold the Line has a 50% conversion rate.

Save Yourselves never converts.

i think it can be a bit tricky with Save Yourselves, unless if you’ve been able to exclusively test it with no allies around since you’re drawing conditions to yourself when you activate this shout.

also, since SY gives so many boons as well, sicne this trait isn’t seemingly working as intended, we don’t know if the conversion boon would stack with any existing boons on us already.

i still use it sometimes, even though it might be buggy, but waiting for the day ANet fixes it or explainsi n more detail how it’s supposed to work.

Using it alone in the Mists vs an enemy that will cast at least 2 conditions on you, like the Ranger.

It doesn’t convert a condition as only one condition is removed when using it with the Soldier Runes.

If it did convert a condition it should remove 2 conditions with the Runes and you would expect to see one of the boons last for an extended amount of time (from the conversion) as all the rest are just 5 seconds.

Hold the Line almost always fails to remove a condition for me. This bugged trait is one of the main reasons i’m using Retreat over Save Yourselves.

Good to know, guess il respec out of it then and drop valor to 20.
Wonder where i should put them.

Im using the “paragon” build atm

0/5/30/30/5

maybe go 0/15/30/20/5

@khadorian: I’d put those points in Radiance. If you had 5 more points to spend, I’d suggest Virtues, since the condition removal tied to Virtue of Resolve is pretty useful.

OT: It really bothers me that this trait doesn’t work properly. It’s one of my favorite Grandmaster traits for the Guardian, both from a gameplay perspective and from a design perspective, but because it doesn’t work as it should, it’s generally not worth taking.
The reason I love it so much is because it gives your Shouts and extra dimension. Instead of just using the shouts when you feel like it, it adds a little extra tension, because you could use that shout to remove (a) condition(s).

Ok so we have a conclusion , Retreat and Stand your Ground are the shouts that the trait works , Hold the line 50% chance to trigger and Save Yourselves never trigger.
Really bad , now I am forced to put 10 points in another thing and lose 100 healing and 1000 HP, this will change my gear build ):
With Rune of Soldier the shouts remove conditions from me and from the allies or just ME ? Just allies ?
Anet shout fix this trait really fast…
I was running with 0/0/30/30/10 but the trait is bugged so I will change to 0/30/20/20 and take Elite focus or Absolute Resolution.

This has been reported countless times,yet the developers ignore it for whatever reason.

OneManArmy.5617:

This has been reported countless times,yet the developers ignore it for whatever reason.

Maybe anet thinks that this trait is so OP and they ignore .

Dico.4815:

OneManArmy.5617:

This has been reported countless times,yet the developers ignore it for whatever reason.

Maybe Arenanet thinks that this trait is so overpowered and they ignore it.

It’s extremely unlikely that they’re just ignoring it. It’s possible that it’s not on their priority list, but there’s no way to tell. I’d like a good long blog post from Arenanet about their ideas and philosophy going forward and how they see each profession. I think it’s important for an MMO developer to communicate really well with their playerbase.

It’s a freaking grandmaster trait, it should actually do something worthwhile and would hardly be op <.<

Ynna.8769:

Dico.4815:

OneManArmy.5617:

This has been reported countless times,yet the developers ignore it for whatever reason.

Maybe Arenanet thinks that this trait is so overpowered and they ignore it.

It’s extremely unlikely that they’re just ignoring it. It’s possible that it’s not on their priority list, but there’s no way to tell. I’d like a good long blog post from Arenanet about their ideas and philosophy going forward and how they see each profession. I think it’s important for an MMO developer to communicate really well with their playerbase.

Then can you please explain to me why after 6 months, they have done nothing about it.
The community has reported the problem countless times both here,the bugs section,on other forums,the wiki, heck its even mentioned on the sticky post since day one, yet they have not posted a single time acknowledging the problem or said that they are working on it.

It’s one of our most important traits (A grandmaster trait at that), especially for pvp, yet nothing has been done up to this point to fix it. For me this means they are ignoring the problem.

OneManArmy.5617:

Ynna.8769:

Dico.4815:

OneManArmy.5617:

This has been reported countless times,yet the developers ignore it for whatever reason.

Maybe Arenanet thinks that this trait is so overpowered and they ignore it.

It’s extremely unlikely that they’re just ignoring it. It’s possible that it’s not on their priority list, but there’s no way to tell. I’d like a good long blog post from Arenanet about their ideas and philosophy going forward and how they see each profession. I think it’s important for an MMO developer to communicate really well with their playerbase.

Then can you please explain to me why after 6 months, they have done nothing about it.
The community has reported the problem countless times both here,the bugs section,on other forums,the wiki, heck its even mentioned on the sticky post since day one, yet they have not posted a single time acknowledging the problem or said that they are working on it.

It’s one of our most important traits (A grandmaster trait at that), especially for pvp, yet nothing has been done up to this point to fix it. For me this means they are ignoring the problem.

It’s not the only bug that’s not fixed. Staff #2 still gets stuck a lot and that also was reported during beta, for one. And if you look around the class forums you’ll see that this happens across the board. This is the speed at which bugs get fixed. It’s just not that fast.

OneManArmy.5617:

Then can you please explain to me why after 6 months, they have done nothing about it.
The community has reported the problem countless times both here,the bugs section, on other forums, the wiki, heck it’s even mentioned on the sticky post since day one, yet they have not posted a single time acknowledging the problem or said that they are working on it.

It’s one of our most important traits (A grandmaster trait at that), especially for PvP, yet nothing has been done up to this point to fix it. For me this means they are ignoring the problem.

It’s not just this trait. Look at the Necromancer traits. They’re even worse than our traits. They’re just really slow at this. This is why I think it’s so important to communicate with your community.

The bug listing at the bottom pretty much sums it up. It does look like its working with soldier’s runes because they each remove a condition. If you used say Retreat while using Pure of Voice and the Sup Runes of the Soldier you’d actually remove a total of 2 condis one of them would be converted into a boon.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Pure_of_Voice