Guild Wars 2

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Since when and why?
I’ve tried the build and it can be fun I like it, but without GS it’s so slow, plus it ain’t that deadly. I’ve done pretty well vs them in my Warrior when Guard is supposed to be a counter to Zerker Warrior.
Does less than Medi Guard in team fights IMO and survivability is pretty much the same. So yeah, I would like to know why.

Source: MetaBattle

Because Tage plays it.

Son’t trust them.
Someone used it in a tournament fight and now it’s a “meta”. But it’s not.
Lesser survavibility and lesser damage than a common dps guardian, and lesser support to allies (gs skill 5 is very good in team fight to stack and aoe the enemy team).

It’s highly countered and don’t work good against good players.

But it’s good, and can be used to kill easy a engi, but against all the other classes is lesser efficent than a marauder build.

And warrior have a lot of traits and skills to clena condition (if you swap the only condition to clean is burn, then you can clean burn wvery 5 sec only with the weaponswap, plus cleansing ire, berserker stance, resistance).

Burning Guardian is there by a week I think. And that build don’t even totally focus on burn why one of the more important traits for burning guardians is the one that make you inflict burn every 3 hit and that build don’t use it… And don’t even use the one that make you spam burn, that is one of the best in big fight, or against classes like mesmer, ranger and MM necro, leaving you without AoE damage.

No, that build is there only why someone see a good player use it. Nothing more.

it’s good, but only against someone with a bad build against conditions or that don’t know how to fight a burning guardian.

meta does not mean best build. Also because something is listed as meta on metabattle also doesnt make it meta. its their opinion
btw its in the meta category on meta battle because every idiot and their mother runs it in soloq and because it is played on a regular basis in esl cups.
Its a really strong build that as stated above can be counterd.

I think people think this build is more counterable than it actually is, and underrate it (like many things).

Fashion Mage.3712:

I think people think this build is more counterable than it actually is, and underrate it (like many things).

You haven’t fought the right Engies and Necros I guess.

Dirame.8521:

Because Tage plays it.

Silv.9207:

Don’t trust them.
Someone used it in a tournament fight and now it’s a “meta”. But it’s not.
Lesser survavibility and lesser damage than a common dps guardian, and lesser support to allies (gs skill 5 is very good in team fight to stack and aoe the enemy team).

It’s highly countered and don’t work good against good players.

But it’s good, and can be used to kill easy a engi, but against all the other classes is lesser efficent than a marauder build.

And warrior have a lot of traits and skills to clena condition (if you swap the only condition to clean is burn, then you can clean burn wvery 5 sec only with the weaponswap, plus cleansing ire, berserker stance, resistance).

Burning Guardian is there by a week I think. And that build don’t even totally focus on burn why one of the more important traits for burning guardians is the one that make you inflict burn every 3 hit and that build don’t use it… And don’t even use the one that make you spam burn, that is one of the best in big fight, or against classes like mesmer, ranger and MM necro, leaving you without AoE damage.

No, that build is there only why someone see a good player use it. Nothing more.

it’s good, but only against someone with a bad build against conditions or that don’t know how to fight a burning guardian.

+1 on both accounts.

I don’t understand that build. I strongly believe Supreme Justice and Permeating Wrath is essential for burn guards. It basically give the GS the power of Purging Flames+JI combined, if used correctly.

Absolute Resolution is only a must if you’re running with classes like, Engi, War, or glassy teef and mesmers that need stun breaks and cleanses. A Guard will self sustain fine with just his medi abilities unless the other team have 3 or more condi players.

The damage is is true burst damage. I can do 7-11 stacks of burning 2 times in 5 seconds with all my cds. A lucky proc from t4 makes it even more. That is 2-3 k burning ticks. You then d up until your cds come back. Anyone with condi x-fer is hard to kill, but, everyone else melts. It is fun to play but gets very boring. Very little low skill cap.

lunchbox.5982:

The damage is is true burst damage. I can do 7-11 stacks of burning 2 times in 5 seconds with all my cds. A lucky proc from t4 makes it even more. That is 2-3 k burning ticks. You then d up until your cds come back. Anyone with condi x-fer is hard to kill, but, everyone else melts. It is fun to play but gets very boring. Very little low skill cap.

The skill cap is higher against self sustaining condi cleansing teams as you don’t just have to fight to survive, but you have to choose who to burst. Make a wrong decision and there goes your 3k burns. You’re now hitting with 900 power, 0 ferocity with an occasional 20% or 30% crit chance.

The build is definitely low skilled in solo random queues though.

Saiyan.1704:

lunchbox.5982:

The damage is is true burst damage. I can do 7-11 stacks of burning 2 times in 5 seconds with all my cds. A lucky proc from t4 makes it even more. That is 2-3 k burning ticks. You then d up until your cds come back. Anyone with condi x-fer is hard to kill, but, everyone else melts. It is fun to play but gets very boring. Very little low skill cap.

The skill cap is higher against self sustaining condi cleansing teams as you don’t just have to fight to survive, but you have to choose who to burst. Make a wrong decision and there goes your 3k burns. You’re now hitting with 900 power, 0 ferocity with an occasional 20% or 30% crit chance.

The build is definitely low skilled in solo random queues though.

I agree that you do need to select your target. You also need to split your Conditions for cleanses so you dont blow your load and wind up with 0 out going damage. I see some guards who are way better then me BLOW people up.

I don’t see all the hate for the build. I’ve just started playing it over medi the last few days, and I’ve yet to run into a fight that I couldn’t win if I played it properly.

i looked at that build and i agree with some of the posters here i much prefer GS with X/Focus on my hybrid burn build. Does much more consistent damage especially when i come across a good condi cleansing player. The one trick burn condition is just too risky to rely upon against good players. Works against soloQ nubs.

For example on my war i sometimes run the “newer” shielded shoutbow (the one ROM runs) and that build is basically condi immune. Once i played that build i realised that i needed to spec hybrid on my guard so that my physical damage didnt feel like a wet noodle if i came across a condi cleansing class.

Dirame.8521:

Fashion Mage.3712:

I think people think this build is more counterable than it actually is, and underrate it (like many things).

You haven’t fought the right Engies and Necros I guess.

necros for sure but engis have a tough time with continous application of burn. their cleanses are quite predictable so you just havt to time you bursts accordingly.

the build also got demoted

Too slow without GS? I would argue that it’s too slow with GS. Sword and scepter together hit much faster and more consistently than GS, which makes for more VoJ procs.

Besides, the only thing really keeping it strong is the fact that burning in general is currently too powerful and allows for burst DoT (which is supposed to be a contradiction).

Black Box.9312:

Besides, the only thing really keeping it strong is the fact that burning in general is currently too powerful and allows for burst DoT (which is supposed to be a contradiction).

Guard burns have always been strong. We’re just now viable in team play as oppose to 1v1 prepatch.

Guardian is a perfect example of burn balance. If we’re going to risk our stunbreaks on a high cd skill in order to apply a condi burst, then we better see results.

But Ele burns.. that’s a perfect example of low risk high reward. Even I, a non Ele main, could reach a 7 average burn stacks on every Fire rotation. That doesn’t count any “accidental” RoF crossings… which usually happens when I instantly cast RoF as they’re walking away.

Probably won’t be as viable come HoT since that is why it is the way it is now, just my opinion. Then again I don’t see the build has anything exceptionally OP. Especially if you have spent any time playing one then switching classes. I know on my Ranger this build doesn’t phase me one way or another. And in PvP I have enough sustain to just outlast them so wear them out.

There are always exceptional players who can play naked and make a build seem OP. I’m not one of those but do see people who are…