PvP Support Guard
I don’t see why you’re using magi’s, you don’t have any abilities that rely on critting and the rng nature of any damage you may be capable of doing pales to just flat power. But basically with this build, you won’t be doing anything other than moderate supporting.
Also, while a support guardian is nice you still need to be capable of holding your own solo (at least while in solo que). You’re main source of healing is AH, which won’t do anything if you get caught by yourself.
@OP u need damage in this game 2k at least on power , if u dont do damage expect do die fast, guardian trade off if go defense isnt like other classes, guard still melts with his mediocre support.
Use the Menders amulet…
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go with this 2 versions
lots of block, heal, and condi cleanse.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAW5el8Ah+dYrQwWIQQELNEF2EEBhg8wn8P/1wuABAA-TZRWAB4WG45jAAkXAgSfIAAs/AA
the heal skill can be trap (the best self heal) or the shout for more support.
when using healing shout try to swap weapon to get quickness or use stability
this version less healing more stability and condi cleanse burst
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAW5el8Ah+dYrQwWIQQELVEF2AEARQ24depn8sn7/OA-TZRXABMeBAAY/BaLDs8RAI0HCAA
go with this 2 versions
lots of block, heal, and condi cleanse.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAW5el8Ah+dYrQwWIQQELNEF2EEBhg8wn8P/1wuABAA-TZRWAB4WG45jAAkXAgSfIAAs/AAthe heal skill can be trap (the best self heal) or the shout for more support.
when using healing shout try to swap weapon to get quickness or use stabilitythis version less healing more stability and condi cleanse burst
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAW5el8Ah+dYrQwWIQQELVEF2AEARQ24depn8sn7/OA-TZRXABMeBAAY/BaLDs8RAI0HCAA
for the first build:
Isn’t valor inferior to Virtues when not running mediations?
Why magi’s? Cause of vitallity and healling! U r support not hybrid symbol Guard! u need to stay alive give the dps time to kill the peaople focused on u. menders never worked for me and all season i was diamond-plat and 1 legend like this.
go with this 2 versions
lots of block, heal, and condi cleanse.
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAW5el8Ah+dYrQwWIQQELNEF2EEBhg8wn8P/1wuABAA-TZRWAB4WG45jAAkXAgSfIAAs/AAthe heal skill can be trap (the best self heal) or the shout for more support.
when using healing shout try to swap weapon to get quickness or use stabilitythis version less healing more stability and condi cleanse burst
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAW5el8Ah+dYrQwWIQQELVEF2AEARQ24depn8sn7/OA-TZRXABMeBAAY/BaLDs8RAI0HCAAfor the first build:
Isn’t valor inferior to Virtues when not running mediations?
its mainly for the minor traits. aegis, your healing cleanse 2 conditions and heal 2.3k more. courage recharge when ressing. shield cd. might when block.
virtue gives retaliation, 3 more cleanse and stability.
you can take merciful intervention for self heal 5.6k and also shadow step to allies to heal them for 3.5k
Before u comment my build have u try it ? Or just talking?
Before u comment my build have u try it ? Or just talking?
try it . have you tried mine?
Before u comment my build have u try it ? Or just talking?
Oh we’ve tried it all right, it’s literally an exact clone of a WvW AH Guardian. While amazing there, it has zero purpose in sPvP. You bring no damage to the table (even if you’re a support you need SOME form of damage) and are relying entirely on shouts (while not bad, the runes can be used for better things).
I have tryed a build some time ago focused on healing and cc:
Why u insisist use lame DH skills? Why?
Before u comment my build have u try it ? Or just talking?
try it . have you tried mine?
I did! And couldn’t last long! Not same mine. And i tried all version u propose. All of u.
Support need to stay alive as long as he can. And keep the others alive. Support never fight alone and if he do need’s to last as the others come.
Dps u propose cannot kill a normal player not even press him . So u sacrifice heal- for a small amount dps. Menders is good for Hybrid Symbol Guard! nood for pure support.
And that build is not from WvW. Those who are old in this game would remeber that was old mete in pvp.
I was hopping a suggestion that i couldn’t think of my self but till now not see something that suits to me.
Why u insisist use lame DH skills? Why?
Cause are powerful, expecially if you duo with a necromancer.
Menders is good for Hybrid Symbol Guard! nood for pure support.
But that’s the point we’re trying to make, is that a Guardian’s strength lies in doing a lot of jobs decently well at the same time. We’re never the best damage, the best support, the best bunker… But we can do all of them well enough at the same time, making us unbelievably versatile.
Regardless, precision is a useless stat without power because 150% (crit damage)at 50% of the time (crit chance) times 0 damage (power) is still 0.
Menders is
And that build is not from WvW. Those who are old in this game would remeber that was old mete in pvp.
https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Guardian_-_AH_Frontliner
Besides a few minor changes, you’re essentially playing an AH Guardian meant for WvW in sPvP. It’s literally right there on one of the biggest websites on meta builds. I’ve already gone over why this is a bad idea (low survivability, no damage, limited utility and wasted runes/elite).
I was hopping a suggestion that i couldn’t think of my self but till now not see something that suits to me.
And that’s fine.
Before i used this : http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQNAW5elsAh6hYrQwWIwPEHLE0NAPYA5Xs/+jvQFKBA-TJxHABIXGQn9HA4KA89DBAA
Before patch.
After patch i used the one a post it above.
Now let say u all right and i am wrong!
Don’t forget i play bunker-Support Guard from Beta GW2.
I do have have HoT .
Explain this: i tried all ur build 10 games each on plat. Division 1600~1620 points .
I was in difficulty to stay alive . I was lucky that didn’t lose many games cause the opponents were low skilled for me.
And 50% of the games i was to point holder and healer.
With my build is easier to stay alive (at least for me) and on the 95% of the games i am top Healer-Point Holder . And 50% offensive and top reviver .
No matter have Druid or Ele in game.
The enemy of this build is the focus disable from enemy nothing else. 1v1 90 % none can kill me . If they do is by my mistake and not from build.
2 seasons ago was difficult for me to stay alive and need it 100% of me.
About DH i will never use it ! I never liked the DH idea. As never liked a Warrior with Rifle of Longbow. What make’s it easier doesn’t mean is the right thing.
Now on my build and suggestions to improve it?
If not let’s close this topic
P.S : The key of this build is to evade and move all the time.
With my build is easier to stay alive (at least for me) and on the 95% of the games i am top Healer-Point Holder . And 50% offensive and top reviver .
What make’s it easier doesn’t mean is the right thing.
So you want a bunker build, not a support build.
If you have found the build that suit you the most then there’s nothing to say..
It’s only that your build don’t offer many way to fight.
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Excuse me if my English made u understand that i want only a bunker build.
My build has a lot of support and healing Anet manage to do that after many pvp seasons.
Only minus of this build is my dps. Do u disagree with that?
Never understand the mix of all. Healer is healer. Dps is dps . Anet with Druid and Ele manage to destroy Healing-Bunker-Support Guard. Now Anet trys to fix it. I hope not give up this try.
Ajax then u are trying with the wrong class, guard is the class the sacrifices more for bunker that gets the worst results, no damage, poor surviability, low to minimal support, no escaples, lack of mobility.
ANet made guard a DPS burster trap gimmick, or go playa 10k-12k burn tick build.
Guardian defenses and blocks are easy to overwhelm or ignore, even that DH F3 wall can be a self trap for the DH when facing classes with unblockable skills and at least a decent player.
Even the guardian focus is easy to avoid….
Still the best support for guard would be the DH virtues for team support and traited vurtues on a dps speced build, and alot of player dont know how to counter DH f3.
DPS and Support cause full bunker on guard other classes can still outdamage easilly your defenses and HP.
Edit: sorry for my english if sounds confusing to read :\
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Ajax then u are trying with the wrong class, guard is the class the sacrifices more for bunker that gets the worst results, no damage, poor surviability, low to minimal support, no escaples, lack of mobility.
ANet made guard a DPS burster trap gimmick, or go playa 10k-12k burn tick build.
Guardian defenses and blocks are easy to overwhelm or ignore, even that DH F3 wall can be a self trap for the DH when facing classes with unblockable skills and at least a decent player.
Even the guardian focus is easy to avoid….Still the best support for guard would be the DH virtues for team support and traited vurtues on a dps speced build, and alot of player dont know how to counter DH f3.
DPS and Support cause full bunker on guard other classes can still outdamage easilly your defenses and HP.
Edit: sorry for my english if sounds confusing to read :\
Ok ….
And what is your suggestion ?
just play what is mandatory for mots matches, DPS DH meditations based build with menders, u have a anti stealth F1, and aoe heal for support and even a f3 to help not getting bursted, an elite to heal and refresh virtues as well , shouts are very underwhelming, due the easy high output damage is avaliable to the game jsut a minimal boon for X seconds where is can be removed or tranformed to condi or even have a very small impact on the fight.
The only good thing that shouts are decent is to support aoe clensing, wich every other class with shouts can have.
One thing for sure u can bunker with meditations and traps much more than shouts or anything else on guard.
For weapons i would choose sword/focus with hammer or mace/shield.
The blinds from sword and focus(also traited with focus mastery) are excelent as well.
IF u want a support bunker :\ well game is a mess overall i would not find strange a revenant or a warrior with banner (lol) doing better support than a guardian, but that is me talking out of thin air, since im trying to cut off from gw2 entirelly.
probably something arround this:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vVAQRAsd5eE8DxSDRJP8L/zfNsLQAkNf1X+B-TZQEBAQZAA
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Honestly with a staff and mace I don’t really see the point to even bothering with a mender’s amulet. Even condition warriors use amulets with high precision; the precision is generally there to act as a balancer to the other good combination of stats, although Magi’s doesn’t really offer that much more vitality and healing power over mender’s anyway I suppose. I’m just wondering if points can really be held with a base guardian shout build with Signet of Courage. Personally I think taking Signet of Courage at all kind of relegates a guardian to an off-point support build, but then in that case there are utilities that offer more support than shouts do.
I don’t agree at all that DH virtues are better than base virtues supportively, and I don’t even think that the “meta” DH build is all that good either.
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hummm that is true but some classes need to sacrifice a bit more stats in one side to perform the same or not so good in other builds, all stats are the same but not all classes use well the same stats, some ended with a performance so good that they needed to remove the stats from pvp :|
The good combination of stats for guardians dont work like warriors nor other class, so i cant imagine a guardian healing 1k-1.2k every 8 seconds with that signet lasting much on combat.
That signet migth work on WvW if u pair a team of 5+ “signeters”, and btw the signet only heals if guard HP is not at max, wich means u take small damage nad first heal is wasted, wait another 8 seconds if u have traited signets.
Guardian design on shouts/SW/signets is very underwhelming and gets outdated super fast due how the game is being played and balanced.
We only have one elite skill, and meditations/ traps has utilities, consecratio hammer build migh be something usable just in WvW and pve maybe, and in wvw is a leech builds that do much.
Guardian F2 is easier to heal ally than DH f2, f3 looses the stun breaker when DH trait is active, yeah becomes more selfish, but imo they are used in diferent situations.
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If one really needs the extra survivability they could take Magi’s, although another reason it’s not that great is because healing power synergizes much more with toughness rather than vitality (hence why the cleric amulet was often used) since higher armor increases the “value” of each point of health/healing. I would only ever take magi’s if that extra health is desperately needed or if the build in question does no damage anyway so it doesn’t matter either way.
Guardians can easily heal 1.2k every 8 seconds (far more than that in fact), although I’m not sure if that’s what you meant.
Signet of Courage’s passive is garbage. The real reason to use it is the active. I don’t for a second believe that it’s weak in its current state, simply because of its active. The only reasons people think it’s weak right now are because it’s mildly hard to use (at worst), and because it doesn’t really fit with the “meta” DH build (unsurprisingly, since it’s not support).
I don’t think DH virtues are necessarily worse, they’re just less supportive. F1 in PvP offers a ton of burning, F2 is in a 600 radius so it’ll heal/cleanse more allies, and F3 is on a lower cooldown which leads to more frequent stability.
No, no, was just comparing the adition of the 1k ish from the elite signet compared with the RF wich can be traited to heal and refresh virtues since no combat last that long to imply the RF has a long CD, compared with the signet over time heals.
I never tried the signet after the CD reduce, but imo easy to interrupt and f*** up the guard badly.
DH f2 has issues :\
When u think u will heal target and u see no heal and ur very close to the target…. or when target moves a bit from the landing zone while ur in mid air animation….
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No, no, was just comparing the adition of the 1k ish from the elite signet compared with the RF wich can be traited to heal and refresh virtues since no combat last that long to imply the RF has a long CD, compared with the signet over time heals.
I never tried the signet after the CD reduce, but imo easy to interrupt and f*** up the guard badly.
DH f2 has issues :\
When u think u will heal target and u see no heal and ur very close to the target…. or when target moves a bit from the landing zone while ur in mid air animation….
Renewed Focus is infinitely better for self-defense, but it doesn’t hold a candle to Signet of Courage supportively. They aren’t really elites that can be used interchangeably on the same build, what they offer is actually very different.
And that’s why you don’t use it on point and/or without stability. It’s not an elite skill for bunkers. :>
Yeah, like all DH virtues, it’s generally better for self-survival rather than supporting allies.
No, no, was just comparing the adition of the 1k ish from the elite signet compared with the RF wich can be traited to heal and refresh virtues since no combat last that long to imply the RF has a long CD, compared with the signet over time heals.
I never tried the signet after the CD reduce, but imo easy to interrupt and f*** up the guard badly.
DH f2 has issues :\
When u think u will heal target and u see no heal and ur very close to the target…. or when target moves a bit from the landing zone while ur in mid air animation….
If u know when to use it is great! Imagine in mid they all focus on necro and when is almost down wooop full life!
2nd u use it with stability and when u have swiftness from sigil.
3rd energy sigil help u evade and heal group same time!
The build is good like it or not but the philosophy is different .
U need to evade and move and worry about team health all the time.
The team from the other side needs to care u when u got focus . Ur dps in group need to be fast and strong so he can press the one he focus on u.
Is a team build and not solo selfish 3v3 if i have 2 good dps u can’t kill me .
and if i am in mid 2v4 with a druid u can’t take the point and iif u do the others hold the other 2 points cause they left them unguarded.
Most of u want to be solo uber player and never team player . I am plat and older i was legend with this build ( both of them i post it) . That means something. maybe 1 season was luck and perhaps 2nd but all the seasons?
And i am Plat with 3 accounts and 1 gold . I have proof that it works . the build need’s skill is not auto warrior-Guard meta build .
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A lot of “meta” builds seem like sub-optimal easy-mode builds to me actually.
Out of curiosity, do you actually hold the point with this build or do you support off-point?
Ajax of Telamona.6974, u said back there u wanted to bunker and not team support, well thats a team support u need to have always 1 or 2 team mates with u.
what do you do base and midle only? Even so that build cant hold against the players im used to fight against, u need ot be carried alot of times.
1st April joke, when gw2 receives a “balance” update.
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Ajax of Telamona.6974, u said back there u wanted to bunker and not team support, well thats a team support u need to have always 1 or 2 team mates with u.
what do you do base and midle only? Even so that build cant hold against the players im used to fight against, u need ot be carried alot of times.
1v1 are only few players that can kill me in appropriate time
A lot of “meta” builds seem like sub-optimal easy-mode builds to me actually.
Out of curiosity, do you actually hold the point with this build or do you support off-point?
I can hold a point as long as the others come depends how many skill disable they have and how many i will evade.