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Posted by: Tontonino.9736

Tontonino.9736

As of now this traitline presents no real use for most builds aside from Condi using Amplified Wrath. And here is why:

Amplified Wrath – clearly condi only
Perfect Inscriptions – signets aren’t exactly viable
Radiant Retaliation – tested on Carrion vs Marauders, respectively the damage per retal strike was 276 vs 248. Absolutely pointless, just remove it from the game.

The one trait that seems juicy for power-based builds is Right-Hand Strength. If it was changed as follows, it would be a great option for many sword users:

Right-Hand Strength
Critical hit chance with one-handed weapons is increased. Sword skills are more effective and recharge faster.

Critical Chance Increase: 15%
Recharge Reduced: 20%
Range Increase: 300

Teleport would be an awesome gap closer. #3 could hit targets further. The range increase on auto attack would only modify sword #3 chain attack so that the projectiles could actually simulate projectiles. I, for one, would be immensely content with a change along these lines.

If any of you believe the Radiance line should be changed, discuss!

Edit: AW mistake

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

Obtena.7952

I could be changed but your statement that it has no real use for most builds is not credible. Additionally, how does buffing a weapon specific trait make Radiance a more useful traitline for more builds? I don’t see how it does.

It seems you’re more wanting sword to be better and looking for a reason to have it buffed.

If Radiance should be changed, I can’t see it being done because it has no real use for most builds.

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Posted by: Vizardlorde.8243

Vizardlorde.8243

isnt Avenging wrath a paladin skill in wow? I thought AW stood for Amplified Wrrath.

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Posted by: Duke Blackrose.4981

Duke Blackrose.4981

No. Just remove Radiant Retaliation and replace it with something more useful for power builds. Or some condition removal. Or anything that isn’t Radiant Retaliation for that matter.

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Posted by: Tontonino.9736

Tontonino.9736

I could be changed but your statement that it has no real use for most builds is not credible. Additionally, how does buffing a weapon specific trait make Radiance a more useful traitline for more builds? I don’t see how it does.

It seems you’re more wanting sword to be better and looking for a reason to have it buffed.

If Radiance should be changed, I can’t see it being done because it has no real use for most builds.

Well, I do want sword to be better because it is lackluster when it comes to sticking to target. And pre-patch, this traitline was used ONLY to go full burst with one handers. Perhaps it could boost both scepter and sword.

And please tell me which [viable] builds would see good use out of going full Radiance in its current state outside of Burn.

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Posted by: Tontonino.9736

Tontonino.9736

isnt Avenging wrath a paladin skill in wow? I thought AW stood for Amplified Wrrath.

Had a colossal brainfart, fix’d.

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

Obtena.7952

And please tell me which [viable] builds would see good use out of going full Radiance in its current state outside of Burn.

Lots of builds. Rad has only become better since the patch, not worse and it was a staple line prior to the patch as well.

The number of viable builds that exist using Radiance now isn’t going to go up by making a change to an Adept trait based on a single weapon, especially considering your whole argument is based on the fact that Radiance is a ‘bad’ traitline because it’s GM’s are not good.

The sword adept is inline with the other weapon-specific traits and probably one of the better ones as well. If the line is bad because GM traits aren’t good, wouldn’t it make more sense to address the GM traits instead?

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Posted by: Darknicrofia.2604

Darknicrofia.2604

lol, Radiant Fire is an AMAZING trait in pvp, saying something like “what builds outside of burn even use Radiance” is like saying “what builds outside of power even uses Zeal”

you don’t get to discount burn builds when right now it is arguably the most powerful guardian build.

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Posted by: Vikkela.7261

Vikkela.7261

Regardless of your gear Radiance can give you +25% crit chance when wielding 1-handed weapons, it ain’t bad at all from this perspective

9 Guardians later…

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Posted by: Tontonino.9736

Tontonino.9736

lol, Radiant Fire is an AMAZING trait in pvp, saying something like “what builds outside of burn even use Radiance” is like saying “what builds outside of power even uses Zeal”

you don’t get to discount burn builds when right now it is arguably the most powerful guardian build.

Yeah, Burn Guard is silly fun right now I have probably used it more than any build. You shouldn’t ignore the fact that Power has a ton of Build variation, meaning you can use essentially any traitline to get a differing degree of a power build. Condition really only goes on way, even weapon wise.

I have yet to test something in which I pick the Radiance line over anything else aside from Condi. And I suppose I’m kitten because I really want to merge in a sort of buffed sword into a proper power build!

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Posted by: Tontonino.9736

Tontonino.9736

And please tell me which [viable] builds would see good use out of going full Radiance in its current state outside of Burn.

Lots of builds. Rad has only become better since the patch, not worse and it was a staple line prior to the patch as well.

The number of viable builds that exist using Radiance now isn’t going to go up by making a change to an Adept trait based on a single weapon, especially considering your whole argument is based on the fact that Radiance is a ‘bad’ traitline because it’s GM’s are not good.

The sword adept is inline with the other weapon-specific traits and probably one of the better ones as well. If the line is bad because GM traits aren’t good, wouldn’t it make more sense to address the GM traits instead?

Yeah, I believe the GM’s in Radiance aside from AW are absolute crap. That’s why I mentioned switching PI and Sword trait, or perhaps at this point a more 1-hander focused GM. I believe it’d be more appealing.

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Posted by: SlayerSixx.5763

SlayerSixx.5763

I have an idea. Since zeal is an aoe based (symbols tree) we move consecration mastery to zeal in place of kindled zeal, take perfect inscriptions and put it in place of consecration mastery and then remove radiant retaliation for being so useless and put RHS there instead and place kindled zeal in the radiance adept spot. Surely, some numbers would need a little tweaking, but that seems nice IMO.

Thoughts?

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Posted by: Obtena.7952

Obtena.7952

And please tell me which [viable] builds would see good use out of going full Radiance in its current state outside of Burn.

Lots of builds. Rad has only become better since the patch, not worse and it was a staple line prior to the patch as well.

The number of viable builds that exist using Radiance now isn’t going to go up by making a change to an Adept trait based on a single weapon, especially considering your whole argument is based on the fact that Radiance is a ‘bad’ traitline because it’s GM’s are not good.

The sword adept is inline with the other weapon-specific traits and probably one of the better ones as well. If the line is bad because GM traits aren’t good, wouldn’t it make more sense to address the GM traits instead?

Yeah, I believe the GM’s in Radiance aside from AW are absolute crap. That’s why I mentioned switching PI and Sword trait, or perhaps at this point a more 1-hander focused GM. I believe it’d be more appealing.

Admittedly, I think 2 of the GM’s in Rad are not very good, but I don’t see how any of the ideas you’ve presented fix that; swapping PI with sword trait to make 2 good GM traits is not better, it’s just the same … you still have the same bad traits, they are just spread out more.