Guild Wars 2

Had a break from GW2 for about 2 months. Now i level a gurdian and saw that the elite skill Renewed Focus was nerfed hard. The skill is not worth as an elite skill anymore, you can change it to a utility skill. My character raises his sword like Highlander instead of fighting like Gatsu in Berserk. Doesn’t make any sense. Now it has the same effectiveness of a utility skill.

Raise your sword, immortal for 3 seconds and reset your virtues.

Fight like a kitten, immortal for 3 seconds and reset your virtues.

Which one do you want?

I’m sorry, what? Renewed Focus hasn’t been changed much, other than allowing you to run while casting it.

I think he’s mad because the animation isn’t what he expected of it…..or something. I dunno, he mentioned how the move isn’t like some anime he likes or something. Renewed Focus is an amazing elite skill on a low cooldown. Wouldn’t trade it for anything in the world (maybe worthwhile Norn beast morphs….that would be pretty sweet)

I guess you’re new to the game then. Before you could activate Reneewed Focus and still fight. Now you can’t fight while it’s activated, it’s a channeled skill now.

I’m pretty sure before the change you COULD NOT move. It was still a channel but you were stuck in place. So it has only gotten better. Unless you’re talking pre-release, beta?

In BWE1 you still couldn’t perform skills while channelling and it rooted you in place.

Prior to that I think it was a utility skill call Meditate, which may have allowed attacks – but we are talking an age ago…

I think you are just getting confused with Endure Pain

Whoa. Can we have that? I want to be able to pop it like a Meditation and just be able to keep fighting while it ticks off like a buff with the awesome end-effect of refreshing my Virtues. I’m serious, I want it. Maybe cover us in blue flame for the few seconds it’s active..

It’d totally be our own, elite version of Endure Pain. Would totally be balanced.

I remember when it was an instant long lasting invulnerability buff back in closed beta. We were such unkillable gods back then… <3

I’d just be thrilled to have it be a stun breaker. Hate being chain CC’ed while this and shelter are up but I can’t use them.

It doesn’t at all favourably compare to Endure Pain or Elixer S (both 60 s recharge, not elites, stun breakers, can’t be cancelled with a dodge or somethin stupid like that). I get rechargin virtues is great but… it’s not this great. Mist form too. Actually, I’m havin trouble thinkin up a skill in this category that is worse.

The only change it has seen is:

Headstart: Same time, Same affect, if you moved you canceled it.

Recently: Now you can move (but not roll), same time, same affect.

compare it to warrior utility skill

guardian skill: renewed focus
- 2 second invulnerable
- 90 seconds cooldown
- you cant attack or use other skills with casttime while using renewed focus…
- it is an elite skill

warrior skill: endure pain
- 4 seconds invulnerable
- only 60 seconds cooldown
- you can still attack and use all other skills while invulnerable
- only a utility skill

i know guardian elite recharges virtues but it is an elite…
shouldnt it have the same cooldown and at least 3 seconds invulnerability without extra trait and the extra effect of recharging virtues because its not just an utility skill like the warrior one?

We aren’t warriors. Skills aren’t balanced in a vacuum, they’re balanced with respect to all the other things you can do.

Also, hello, Warriors have to give up a utility to slot Endure Pain. We don’t.

Also, RF is three seconds long.

foofad.5162:

We aren’t warriors. Skills aren’t balanced in a vacuum, they’re balanced with respect to all the other things you can do.

Also, hello, Warriors have to give up a utility to slot Endure Pain. We don’t.

Also, RF is three seconds long.

ok i see that guardians have enough sustain already…

wiki says invulnerability lasts only 2 seconds
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewed_Focus

Ah, I’m used to running it with EF on my test guardian. You’re right.

Orangensaft.7139:

warrior skill: endure pain
- 4 seconds invulnerable

I might be wrong here, but I didn’t think Endure Pain granted invulnerability, I thought it was just immunity to damage… which is not nearly as good as invulnerability.

Also voicing it in that the skill has basically been the same since BWE1, but now you can move while channelling.

Surbrus.6942:

Orangensaft.7139:

warrior skill: endure pain
- 4 seconds invulnerable

I might be wrong here, but I didn’t think Endure Pain granted invulnerability, I thought it was just immunity to damage… which is not nearly as good as invulnerability.

Also voicing it in that the skill has basically been the same since BWE1, but now you can move while channelling.

yes you are right…
endure pain does not help against condition damage or stuns…
i was wrong^^

Orangensaft.7139:

compare it to warrior utility skill

guardian skill: renewed focus
- 2 second invulnerable
- 90 seconds cooldown
- you cant attack or use other skills with casttime while using renewed focus…
- it is an elite skill

warrior skill: endure pain
- 4 seconds invulnerable
- only 60 seconds cooldown
- you can still attack and use all other skills while invulnerable
- only a utility skill

i know guardian elite recharges virtues but it is an elite…
shouldnt it have the same cooldown and at least 3 seconds invulnerability without extra trait and the extra effect of recharging virtues because its not just an utility skill like the warrior one?

You are missing the absolute most important aspect of RF. You are immune to CC while channeling it. That is just huge. Sure the refresh is nice, sure the invulnerability is nice. That no cc is great though. It’s saved my life so many times.

Could the skill be better for it’s cd? Sure, but in the end if they allowed us ti fight with it that would be entirely too strong.

It doesn’t block damage from current conditions, but it does stop the application of all incoming conditions. That’s where the immunity to CC comes from.

It would be nice if they add an inherent “Removes 1 condition” or something like that. I love Renewed Focus, it has saved me a lot of times ever since they allowed you to move while channeling it.

Or just reduce the cool down just a little bit :p

You can get a lot of benefit from Runes of Lyssa compared to other elites, although it would be handy if the condition removal fired at the start rather than the end of the channel. Personally I’d go for an extra second or two of duration, which isn’t unreasonable given the length of the CD

well i dont think guardian buffs are top priority for anet atm, especially not on RF, you get 5 sec on invul alone from rf and ur heal plus guardian is tanky as kitten anyways.

Trollmacht.4105:

well i dont think guardian buffs are top priority for anet atm, especially not on RF, you get 5 sec on invul alone from rf and ur heal plus guardian is tanky as kitten anyways.

lol what? I hope this is a troll post. If not you need to learn about the game.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewed_Focus

This reminds me of wood league posts and why it’s always best to just ignore them.

GSSBlunaspike.4153:

Trollmacht.4105:

well i dont think guardian buffs are top priority for anet atm, especially not on RF, you get 5 sec on invul alone from rf and ur heal plus guardian is tanky as kitten anyways.

lol what? I hope this is a troll post. If not you need to learn about the game.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Renewed_Focus

This reminds me of wood league posts and why it’s always best to just ignore them.

I had to re-read his post a few times as well before I figured out what he meant (I think).

He means 5 sec of total invulnerability from Renewed Focus and the blocking ability from Shelter (3+2). The latter however isn’t the same invulnerability as RF gives.

I feel like the CD should be a little less, especially when in comparison to Endure Pain.

yea is know its not invul just block but pls dont tell me ur dying from condition damage on a guardian

I kind of enjoy it because it renews my virtues >_>

Trollmacht.4105:

yea is know its not invul just block but pls dont tell me ur dying from condition damage on a guardian

Not every guard is built the exact same…Please dont tell me you have 3.8k Atk, 3.5k Armor, 7xx Healing, gain might when you block/auto attack with a GS, apply longer vulnerability with immobolize, can DPS in your face with GS or chase down a kiter with Scepter/Focus. Giving yourself stability and 8 other boons on Shout CD while taking 10% less damage…as well as not taking condition damage…