Guild Wars 2

I think we should be able to end renewed focus early by pressing the skill/button again. There are too many times we can die to condis while invulnerable…

Edit: I should have been clearer. I want to be able to end it early and reset my virtues immediately when I do so

You can stow your weapon to cancel it.

Dodging or swapping weapons work too, but that’s wasting limited resources.

mrauls.6519:

I think we should be able to end renewed focus early by pressing the skill/button again. There are too many times we can die to condis while invulnerable…

You can cancel it, it just goes on full cooldown.

I guess he rather refers to the virtues reset that happens only once the cast is finished.

In any case, this is more of a l2p issue. Don’t pop it when you are loaded with condis, and use your defences before you are condi bombed, not to buy time afterwards. Or just cleanse before going invulnerable, or even during with CoP.

New effect: now grants resistance for duration. Or is that too much?

Contemplation of Purity first and then pop it. Unless you’re full trapper, then it’s your fault for not having a cleanse on your utilities..

mrauls is a seasoned pvp player, he’s not having l2p issues. I’m guessing he’s making this suggestion as a way to boost guardian’s viability in spvp.

I think I’d be fine with this change if engi’s were allowed to cancel elixir s early as well.

If we are talking about ending it early and still getting the virtues back, then “cancel” is not the right word.

I should have been clearer. I want to be able to end it early and reset my virtues immediately when I do so

Arcaedus.7290:

mrauls is a seasoned pvp player, he’s not having l2p issues. I’m guessing he’s making this suggestion as a way to boost guardian’s viability in spvp.

I think I’d be fine with this change if engi’s were allowed to cancel elixir s early as well.

Theres a slight difference, one is for a pure invuln, another is an invuln with gaining 3 abilities back. There’s more to the guardians then the engi’s so the comparison isn’t even the same. I may not be a guardian main anymore but personally I think its fine where it is. He may be “seasoned”, but there are lots of guardians that still make it work. Its all about how you set it up (so a slight l2p)

I will agree that I have died to condis way to many times while using RF. Sometimes you use it to get back VoR so that you can condi cleanse, so I can see wanting to be able to end it early. Though if anything, I’d almost want it changed to how it was in the Beta weekends. 2 second cast with an 8 second invuln afterwards that you could do anything during (yes I know this was totally OP, but it was fun).

mrauls.6519:

I should have been clearer. I want to be able to end it early and reset my virtues immediately when I do so

Well…is charging virtues so cancel is just cancel.
Adding resistance will be nice for both pvp and pve.

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Arcaedus.7290:

mrauls is a seasoned pvp player, he’s not having l2p issues. I’m guessing he’s making this suggestion as a way to boost guardian’s viability in spvp.

I think I’d be fine with this change if engi’s were allowed to cancel elixir s early as well.

Theres a slight difference, one is for a pure invuln, another is an invuln with gaining 3 abilities back. There’s more to the guardians then the engi’s so the comparison isn’t even the same. I may not be a guardian main anymore but personally I think its fine where it is. He may be “seasoned”, but there are lots of guardians that still make it work. Its all about how you set it up (so a slight l2p)

The only reason I made that suggestion is that vs. an experienced player or team, they know when that invuln is going to wear off and can often times land a burst before you can even dodge, right out of the invuln. The skill that was supposed to be a defensive peel is now a liability.

I’m sure mrauls and many other guardians have plenty of ways to work around this so the suggestion was likely made to give guardians another subtle but nice tool that wouldn’t really upset balance. If guardian received this change, I think it’s only fair that the most similar skill out there which suffers from the same problem also receives it.

I ve always had poblems with this and maybe my english isnt as good as i think but… INVULNERABLE means fakyn INVULNERABLE and nothing should damage something or someone INVULNERABLE.

Once condi has been placed on you, you will get damaged even with invulnerability, this is the perk of condi damage, let it stay that way.
In these days of power creep where one player can get you CC’ed by depleting you stab (or constant necro corrupt) I would enjoy only two things on Renewed Focus, and it would be a flawless skill. Many classes have a possibility to pop some butt saving cooldown even if they are CC trained (and with no stab on them), for example a teleport or some invulerabilities like mesmer or passive engi. I think it would be good enough if Renewed Focus could also be popped despite the lack of stability. Just making it break through stun should do the trick.
The second thing is what others already said, make it refresh cooldown as soon as we use it, not after it ends channeling.

I disagree, this will screw up my reflective impulse since I had already get used to it, Meaning i would ensure no condition when there is 12 stack of burn/ 30 stack bleed on me when im using RF.

Furthermore, the longer time u can invulnerable, is even the better!
You can even do tactical RF, luring enemy’s fire to you etc

I will agree it provided that if u can repress it to end it quick. But reduce the invulnerable period, is a big NO for me =D

Why are you suggesting a nerf to us? xD

I don’t think you understood what I wrote. I want the option to be able to end RF early and get our virtues back when we do

yLoon.5289:

I disagree, this will screw up my reflective impulse since I had already get used to it, Meaning i would ensure no condition when there is 12 stack of burn/ 30 stack bleed on me when im using RF.

Furthermore, the longer time u can invulnerable, is even the better!
You can even do tactical RF, luring enemy’s fire to you etc

I will agree it provided that if u can repress it to end it quick. But reduce the invulnerable period, is a big NO for me =D

Why are you suggesting a nerf to us? xD

He’s proposing with his change that if you wanted to, you could press RF, and channel/be invulnerable for the full 3 seconds as it currently works. BUT, if you want to, while you are channeling RF, you could press it again to end the casting and get your virtues back right away.

It’s a mostly neutral buff but would be a very nice tactical buff for high levels of play.

Caine.8204:

mrauls.6519:

I think we should be able to end renewed focus early by pressing the skill/button again. There are too many times we can die to condis while invulnerable…

You can cancel it, it just goes on full cooldown.

that is balance…. /irony.off

It would be handy to leave RF a bit early sometimes. Often, there’s a CC waiting for you right as you come out. The new virtue of courage helps with this, but I’d surely like the option to surprise a camper.

Aeolus.3615:

Caine.8204:

mrauls.6519:

I think we should be able to end renewed focus early by pressing the skill/button again. There are too many times we can die to condis while invulnerable…

You can cancel it, it just goes on full cooldown.

that is balance…. /irony.off

So you’d like an ability that let’s you go invulnerable every 5 seconds as you cancel it before it can finish?

Virtues should reset upon activation and not skill end.

Also, grant Resistance during the duration of RF. Yes? No? Okay.

YuiRS.8129:

Aeolus.3615:

Caine.8204:

mrauls.6519:

I think we should be able to end renewed focus early by pressing the skill/button again. There are too many times we can die to condis while invulnerable…

You can cancel it, it just goes on full cooldown.

that is balance…. /irony.off

So you’d like an ability that let’s you go invulnerable every 5 seconds as you cancel it before it can finish?

yup that would be balanced, 5 seconds is plenty of time to kill a target.

Joking asside, duno why i tough RF had a casting time, maybe cause ive been interrupted during RF initial seconds, mesmers do this to me more often, but ive been interrupted by a ele as well.

I’ve been interrupted so many times casting RF….

Id like to shorten my channelling time on all my other skills and get full effects too please. Kthxbye.

mrauls.6519:

I should have been clearer. I want to be able to end it early and reset my virtues immediately when I do so

I think the cast time of this ability is because it is already so strong. Imagine having an instant button that refreshes all virtues on an 84s cooldown. Eh… i’d rather it be casted for balanced reasons.

Renewed Focus is an incredible powerfull skill. Making it refreshing the virtuos early on would make it incredible strong. RF is balanced at the moment, because there is a way to counter it with condis. Even that is not a hardcounter, the guard can remove them before popping RF.
Right now, RF is a “pay off” meaning that you need to sacrifice some time, before getting the virtues back.
In addition to that, RF has a 3 second duration, meaning you can LoS, have refilled endurance and propably have some cooldowns back you can use to play defensive.
Really good players will expect the Virtue/Wings of Resolve and try to interrupt, dodge their interrupt and use Virtue/Wings of Resolve. Or use F3 and block it…

Ramoth.9064:

Id like to shorten my channelling time on all my other skills and get full effects too please. Kthxbye.

^
RF is already very good and extremely easy to use; it doesn’t need to be better and easier to use.