Guild Wars 2

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“Save Yourselves!”: This skill has now been split between PvP and PvE. In PvE, players will notice no difference. In PvP, this skill’s boon duration has been changed to 5 seconds.
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Well well…..another nerf.

This better be a joke. We’ve been getting nerfed every kitten patch. This is terrible.

I seriously can’t see the point about nerfing that.
For offensive playstile and either supportive playstyle.
It simply makes no point.

Can we PLEASE get a dev in here and tell us why we’re getting all of these nerfs? At least reduce the cooldown. Oh and look, a mere 10% dmg increase for a 100% nerf to Symbol of wrath, wonderful.

It’s because every class complains about us.. and Anet wants to nerf us into the ground like Ret Palies b4 building us up again after they see they screwed up..

Why is it Guards get nerfed yet Mesmers don’t get hit as hard nor do thiefs…. makes no sense..

I find it funny that we get nerfed. I will learn around it but now that skill is pretty much worthless… soo yeah I’ll just replace it b/c 5 sec is crap compared to some other skills that we get.

Im very confused about these changes, is it so wrong to be able to dps on a guardian?

We asked for a scepter improve on traveling time with AA – nope
We asked for a staff improve on n.2 skill – nope
We asked for a rework on trait lines – nope
We asked for a better ranged options with weapons – nope
We asked for some condition dmg as all classes – nope

And still we get nerfed/fixed every -ing patch.
Thanks

I would honestly trade the renewed focus buff to bring this back. It’s almost useless on a 60sec cd. Throw us a bone here.

Apparently we are not ment to DPS… but every other class is… Apparently that is what Anet wanted.. I picked guard b/c it fit my playstyle.. but after this i might just switch to a different class… if they are going to keep nerfing us to crap.. We won’t be able to do much dps if they keep this up at the rate Anet is going with guards.

We, like every class should be able to Support/Tank/Dps by direct dmg/Dps by condition dmg.
Well thanks to Anet we’re not able to do all of this like all classes actually do.

Not even worth equiping until they REDUCE THE COOLDOWN.

5s on a 48s (traited) timer? Joke.

The conditions you pull from people last longer than the boons you recieve.

Amins.3710:

Not even worth equiping until they REDUCE THE COOLDOWN.

5s on a 48s (traited) timer? Joke.

The conditions you pull from people last longer than the boons you recieve.

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Does this affects WvW save yourselves? or just PvP?

Alpha Dragon.4576:

Does this affects WvW save yourselves? or just PvP?

I assume since WvW is PvP that it would.

Found it particularly insulting that Mesmer got their Scepter speed buffed and we didn’t… on top of a completely unnecessary nerf

Lol! then the update pretty much kittened the skill specially with longer cooldown even with boon duration buffs.

Well. At least they had the kitten decency to not kitten my game over kitten sPVP.

Maybe if Save Yourselves could remove conditions it’d be an okay nerf. Other than that, ANET you need to kiss our kitten

I guess that’s another skill we cross off our hotbars really.

I’m happy to adapt to buffs and nerfs, and you expect these things to happen over time, its inevitable with any MMO.

However, (addressing ANET) what I DO not expect is that no explanation is given as to why a nerf was made. I think people would be alot more calm and reasonable about said nerfs if the patch notes actually explained this. I.e Perhaps ANET have been looking at their data regarding diff pvp specs and win / loss ratio and have noticed that Guardians with this ability have an unusually high success rate in pvp, i’m not sure, as it is just an example.

I think all we need is just a we did this BECAUSE and people will accept it, all be it perhaps grudgingly, but certainly much easier to swallow.

Schakal.6091:

Well. At least they had the kitten decency to not kitten my game over kitten sPVP.

That’s a lot of kitten lol. Anyone tested it? Same CD but only last 5 sec?

Edit : Haven’t patched so can’t see the new skill.

One of the top tier professions gets nerfed, and its fans come complaining about how “they don’t understand how such a thing could ever happen!”

Honestly, I could see a nerf coming to SY! :/

Guess would be in part due to the retaliation it gives. Still, they really need to get rid of their NIH and rework retaliation and quickness before things turn into a real hot mess.

I honestly couldn’t. I thought it was fine with a 60 sec cd. The balance was you took conditions from your teammates and applied it to yourself.

Welcome to the new “shock doctrine”.

They realize people are not “getting over” the gutting of the zeal tree in regard to GS symbol support, so they toss another nerf in guardians’ general direction.

I get it, and ANet still doesn’t seem to get it. No dollars for gems until they fix greatsword.

Yeah, I gotta say this is probably the first real nerf to Guardian, and completely un-called for. What the change should have been is this:

PvE unchanged, PvP version now has base 4s for each boon when activated. For every condition removed from allies, apply 1s to each boon, maximum bonus of +6s.

There you go. On one hand, it’s more balanced for small encounters, but on the other hand, it is still worthwhile to utilize in larger groups. Come on, Anet…

The worst thing about it is that is also cut the heal u receive from it in half. I was healing for over 4k on a healing spec and now i do 2k

LOL, good thing i have an engineer to fall back on…

I’m slowly losing faith in ANet. All my friends have already left the game (before this patch). I was really hoping for more from this company.

DiogoSilva.7089:

One of the top tier professions gets nerfed, and its fans come complaining about how “they don’t understand how such a thing could ever happen!”

Honestly, I could see a nerf coming to SY! :/

Interesting. Could you please link me the source on this Tier List? I assume ANET created ? Surely it’s not just based off your own armchair theorycrafting and speculation? Oh… it IS? What a shocker.

I don’t use “Save Yourself!” in PvP not even in PvE because of the long CD time.
I am using Spirit Weapon Build in PvP and I hope it won’t get nerfed in future. T.T

Now I have a big dilemma. Should i change profession or game?

Bobobejumbo.4951:

I’m slowly losing faith in ANet. All my friends have already left the game (before this patch). I was really hoping for more from this company.

Hopefully they didn’t go back to wow.. anyone who can go back to wow after gw2 has cognitive problems.

Save Yourself is pretty useful in unorganized pugs particularly where people tend to get loaded up with conditions (shout or contemplation afterwards to shake off the fallout)… or if your party wants to be lazy and get out of the combat state faster.

Glad they didn’t nerf the PVE version; though TBH not many people use it there – hold the line tends to be more popular.

yeah they increased the scepter speed for the mesmer but not the guardian

HawkXtream.1538:

I don’t use “Save Yourself!” in PvP not even in PvE because of the long CD time.
I am using Spirit Weapon Build in PvP and I hope it won’t get nerfed in future. T.T

The CD can be reduced to 48 sec and the boons duration could be anywhere from 17sec-20sec if you have the runes that increase boon duration + traits.

I’ll trade the Save Yourselves nerf for the Renewed Focus buff anyday. I rarely used Save Yourselves for it’s intended use (supporting allies) anyway. I always used it as a win button in 1v(1/2) situations in sPvP, or before a tough fight. I don’t mind the nerf, 5 seconds is still good if you put traits points into boon duration along with runes.

The most you could increase it by was 6 seconds over all and an extra 2 seconds if you specialized in another. So you couldn’t get it to 20 seconds. Two runes of the monk and water give it 30% over all but then you needed to choose another two to specialize. And this is all counting the maximum trait line of virtues utilized.

WHY? WHY? WHY?

Why does the guardian keep getting nerfed? I know its one of the most popular classes, but that doesn’t mean u have to nerf it every kitten patch.

The guardian is going to resemble the mercenary from swtor soon, a class that is a shadow of its former brilliance, brought on buy one small nerf after another untill the class becomes a running joke and a pain to play.

Well done anet, well done. I thought only bioware made stupid wtf decisions. How sad to see I am wrong.

Draeka.5941:

Yeah, I gotta say this is probably the first real nerf to Guardian, and completely un-called for. What the change should have been is this:

PvE unchanged, PvP version now has base 4s for each boon when activated. For every condition removed from allies, apply 1s to each boon, maximum bonus of +6s.

There you go. On one hand, it’s more balanced for small encounters, but on the other hand, it is still worthwhile to utilize in larger groups. Come on, Anet…

I really like this idea. They should’ve went this route.

plasmacutter.2709:

Bobobejumbo.4951:

I’m slowly losing faith in ANet. All my friends have already left the game (before this patch). I was really hoping for more from this company.

Hopefully they didn’t go back to wow.. anyone who can go back to wow after gw2 has cognitive problems.

Nope, they are just kind of in limbo, playing a single player title here and there for a few days before dropping it.

Bobobejumbo.4951:

plasmacutter.2709:

Bobobejumbo.4951:

I’m slowly losing faith in ANet. All my friends have already left the game (before this patch). I was really hoping for more from this company.

Hopefully they didn’t go back to wow.. anyone who can go back to wow after gw2 has cognitive problems.

Nope, they are just kind of in limbo, playing a single player title here and there for a few days before dropping it.

I predict they’ll eventually return. I’m not giving ANet gems until greatsword is brought back to snuff for support (I don’t care about pvp nerfs), but I’m not leaving the game.

Symbol of Wrath: This skill’s attack has been improved by 10%.

Lololololololol
Made me laugh even more after reading the save yourself nerf

Someone checked the WvW and said the nerf doesn’t affects it

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Renewed-Focus-1/first#post507613

Yes. It still works ten seconds on 3W. (Without traits,runes ofc)

Some of us enjoy spvp so….big nerf regardless.

Warlord Jim.2870:

DiogoSilva.7089:

One of the top tier professions gets nerfed, and its fans come complaining about how “they don’t understand how such a thing could ever happen!”

Honestly, I could see a nerf coming to SY! :/

Interesting. Could you please link me the source on this Tier List? I assume ANET created ? Surely it’s not just based off your own armchair theorycrafting and speculation? Oh… it IS? What a shocker.

The Guardian/ Mesmer/ Thief trio. It’s quite well known.

And SY! was OP. Do you really think that healing 4k hp (to quote a user) with a single non-heal skill while still getting a lot of other goodies for 10s was balanced? Sure, it has the drawback of filling you with conditions, but that’s the point of the skill in the first place, it was never about overwhelming foes on 1vs1.

How about a “For Great Justice” Nerf too kitten near 100% up time on 3 stacks of might and fury for 25 seconds on a 30 second cool down?? thats with out specing in boons or shouts.

plasmacutter.2709:

Bobobejumbo.4951:

plasmacutter.2709:

Bobobejumbo.4951:

I’m slowly losing faith in ANet. All my friends have already left the game (before this patch). I was really hoping for more from this company.

Hopefully they didn’t go back to wow.. anyone who can go back to wow after gw2 has cognitive problems.

Nope, they are just kind of in limbo, playing a single player title here and there for a few days before dropping it.

I predict they’ll eventually return. I’m not giving ANet gems until greatsword is brought back to snuff for support (I don’t care about pvp nerfs), but I’m not leaving the game.

Most of them only care about PvP. I doubt they will return. This isn’t a group of kids, it’s a group of seasoned gamers who were really disappointed by this title.

Bobobejumbo.4951:

plasmacutter.2709:

Bobobejumbo.4951:

plasmacutter.2709:

Bobobejumbo.4951:

I’m slowly losing faith in ANet. All my friends have already left the game (before this patch). I was really hoping for more from this company.

Hopefully they didn’t go back to wow.. anyone who can go back to wow after gw2 has cognitive problems.

Nope, they are just kind of in limbo, playing a single player title here and there for a few days before dropping it.

I predict they’ll eventually return. I’m not giving ANet gems until greatsword is brought back to snuff for support (I don’t care about pvp nerfs), but I’m not leaving the game.

Most of them only care about PvP. I doubt they will return. This isn’t a group of kids, it’s a group of seasoned gamers who were really disappointed by this title.

They’re “seasoned gamers” but won’t give an MMO dev 6 months to get the initial balance in place (public betas consisted of what, 3 days?). These guys seem like a “bunch of kids” to me.

plasmacutter.2709:

Bobobejumbo.4951:

plasmacutter.2709:

Bobobejumbo.4951:

plasmacutter.2709:

Bobobejumbo.4951:

I’m slowly losing faith in ANet. All my friends have already left the game (before this patch). I was really hoping for more from this company.

Hopefully they didn’t go back to wow.. anyone who can go back to wow after gw2 has cognitive problems.

Nope, they are just kind of in limbo, playing a single player title here and there for a few days before dropping it.

I predict they’ll eventually return. I’m not giving ANet gems until greatsword is brought back to snuff for support (I don’t care about pvp nerfs), but I’m not leaving the game.

Most of them only care about PvP. I doubt they will return. This isn’t a group of kids, it’s a group of seasoned gamers who were really disappointed by this title.

They’re “seasoned gamers” but won’t give an MMO dev 6 months to get the initial balance in place (public betas consisted of what, 3 days?). These guys seem like a “bunch of kids” to me.

That’s your opinion. I have no interest in debating the maturity level of grown adults, who know when they do and don’t like something, with you.