Guild Wars 2

Will the new rune set next patch make this viable? its a toughness based set that adds aegis on signet use as its sixth piece bonus. That’s basically a ton of aoe damage and healing from shattered aegis and pure of heart, not to mention a solid 20% dmg bonus from unscathed contender that we could keep up very constantly. You can also get condition removal on signet use. I know signets for the most part are crap, but getting aegis on use is a pretty nice bonus for guardians specifically.

There’s probably a ICD on the runes, so going for a signet build still wouldn’t be that great. Really just need one to take advantage of the rune set.

Aegis on use?

(looks at VoC)

Need moar Aegis!

i think going full signet, you lose too much utility from other choices you could make.

at most i sometimes run with two signets (heal and bane usually) so that’s two extra aegis which can definitely be quite nice.

but we shall have to wait and see : ))

The only way I could really see this working is based on how strong shattered Aegis will be. (Which we never even got numbers for) And also if they ever changed aegis to not just block crap attacks and actually have some basic damage threshold. Unless SA is going to be very strong, I don’t see the point of giving up other runes just for an extra crap block here and there.

Aegis will always block a single attack. That will never change.

MercenaryK.4180:

Aegis will always block a single attack. That will never change.

Probably, and sadly that will result in a effect that will be wasted 50% of the time against less clever people, and wasted 95% of the time against average intellect people.

That runes will be great for all but the guardians.

Bring aegis to warriors, thief, etc! they need more damage mitigation! they havent enough blocks and evasions. Bah, arenanet really need new ppl on their balance team. Is not an offense, i dont know how to tell it without say it like a offense, every change i see is worst for the game and the game is getting worst and more unbalance in every patch.

After that patch i will be see a lot of aegis spamming thief and warriors, hitting for a LOT. With high mobility and a lot of blocks and immunity (warriors) and blinds /evasions /stealth (thief)

GG DPS guardian, you get nothing and every other class get one of your signature skill.

That’s a bit silly. We get damage, heals, condition clears from aegis. This clearly benefits guardians more than any other class.

…. Wait, what? condition clears from aegis?

Err, condition clear from signet use which is basically the same thing in this discussion as the signet use grants the aegis.

urieldhynne.2743:

That runes will be great for all but the guardians.

Bring aegis to warriors, thief, etc! they need more damage mitigation! they havent enough blocks and evasions. Bah, arenanet really need new ppl on their balance team. Is not an offense, i dont know how to tell it without say it like a offense, every change i see is worst for the game and the game is getting worst and more unbalance in every patch.

After that patch i will be see a lot of aegis spamming thief and warriors, hitting for a LOT. With high mobility and a lot of blocks and immunity (warriors) and blinds /evasions /stealth (thief)

GG DPS guardian, you get nothing and every other class get one of your signature skill.

Aegis is a dreadful buff, I couldn’t care less if they added it to other classes.

Zach.3264:

urieldhynne.2743:

That runes will be great for all but the guardians.

Bring aegis to warriors, thief, etc! they need more damage mitigation! they havent enough blocks and evasions. Bah, arenanet really need new ppl on their balance team. Is not an offense, i dont know how to tell it without say it like a offense, every change i see is worst for the game and the game is getting worst and more unbalance in every patch.

After that patch i will be see a lot of aegis spamming thief and warriors, hitting for a LOT. With high mobility and a lot of blocks and immunity (warriors) and blinds /evasions /stealth (thief)

GG DPS guardian, you get nothing and every other class get one of your signature skill.

Aegis is a dreadful buff, I couldn’t care less if they added it to other classes.

The biggest issue I have with this, whether or not if its a dreadful buff, is that Aegis is the Guardian’s niche. It shouldn’t be doled out to other classes.

This rune set is exciting at first glance, but won’t be of any use for sPvP or WvW.

In order to take advantage of this, you’ll need your utilities to be signets, your traits to give benefits for having Aegis, and this rune set.

So, where exactly are you getting your mobility from now? Not from Runes of Speed or Traveler, and not from Shouts and Boon Duration. So…?

I love the fact that they’re looking into additional ways to give us access to Aegis. I’ve always thought that we had too many mechanics that triggered off these, and too few ways to gain extra ones. I don’t think that going about it in this way is going to be helpful for anybody. If it was Aegis on Shout, or if it was an AoE Aegis or something, I’d be way more excited.

Maybe I’m way off base, but I can’t think of an instance where I’d ever use this, and I’ve really been wanting more Aegis effects.

Perikittenor.1892:

MercenaryK.4180:

Aegis will always block a single attack. That will never change.

Probably, and sadly that will result in a effect that will be wasted 50% of the time against less clever people, and wasted 95% of the time against average intellect people.

The problem lies in how people treat the Aegis buff – since it’s a one time use powerful boon that blocks an entire attack – proc’ing it at the right time is paramount. This player base/community loves the ‘boon & forget’ mentality, which is incredibly ignorant considering the potency of the boon in discussion.

It’s easier for people to throw up Prot and/or Regen and not think about what’s going on than it is for some one to know when to hit VoC or, in this discussion, activate a Signet (which the Guardian has a few that are 1 second or less activation time), and block a hard hitting attack. In which case we can all agree, hopefully, in those coordinated moments, we can say we’d rather have Aegis for full nullification than say Protection that allows us to eat 66.6% of the attack.

Since the discussion of Aegis’s usefulness is often tied to PvP & WvWvW, can we honestly say we’re good players and still be surprised by the certain attacks that are coming our way? I mean, when I see a good player’s youtube videos, they’re anticipating a lot of attacks and have great timing when it comes to dodging, and pulling the right skill to use at the right time.

Why is Aegis exempt from being mastered in such a way? Because it is a boon deemed to be a ‘boon & forget’ type?

Aegis is most of the time terrible, why. Well it is supposed to be used against attacks that are powerful but easily spotted through animation, and that is the problem. Currently we have dodge for that.

It does not help that our other block attack combined with Aegis will strip one charge from both but only block one attack, add to that that dodge has a cool down of 10 seconds if you do not have vigor, and Aegis has a 40 second passive without trait. If you use The active it has a 45 second cool down(90 second cool down but once the cool down go off you instantly gain Aegis, so not a true 45 sec cd. but 2x aegis on a 90 sec). Our shout that grants Aegis got a 60 second cool down.

It is really easy to see the main problem with Aegis, it could have been a cool thing but as it is now it is extremely terrible. We could only hope that people who designed this notice the problem rather than trying to fix a skill that is so situational it is really really sad.

The only benefit of Aegis vs Dodge right now is that, you can not dodge while immobilized, and our barely worth skill that gives small effects when procing Aegis. This would be cool if we had it more often.

Oh and on a side note on Aegis vs Protection, most attacks are flurry rather than hard hitting, if you absorb 3x attacks each dealing 333 damage you will negate either one of the 333 flurry. Or decrease all the three flurry to 222 instead.
Il leave you to decide what is easier and has bigger potential to protect you against overall damage, and consider the gain in a 1vsX fight where X is the ammount of enemies you fight. What do you think will net you the highest protection.

PvE speaking, aegis is very strong.

in WvW fights, small scale or duels, it can be very strong.

in zergs or big fights, aegis almost means nothing.

if you time it right, or get lucky, it can mean life or death, or mean escape or not when outnumbered, or… not saynig it’s bad by any chance. but if i see someone with it on, you take it off with AA first before using your large hits. if someone used it against you while you’re telegraphing a large hit that can’t be canceled out of, then tough luck.

wont’ say it’s all powerful. but it does help against mainly telegraphed ONE hits. anythign that hits multilpe times? you’d rather want protection or regen for that.

It’ll be good with Signet of Judgement and maybe Signet of Resolve. The other signets take too long to cast to be useful with the rune set.

I’m wondering is these new sigils etc. Going to be what we get from the new fractal rewards. Or something somewhere else totally different.

MercenaryK.4180:

Perikittenor.1892:

MercenaryK.4180:

Aegis will always block a single attack. That will never change.

Probably, and sadly that will result in a effect that will be wasted 50% of the time against less clever people, and wasted 95% of the time against average intellect people.

The problem lies in how people treat the Aegis buff – since it’s a one time use powerful boon that blocks an entire attack – proc’ing it at the right time is paramount. This player base/community loves the ‘boon & forget’ mentality, which is incredibly ignorant considering the potency of the boon in discussion.

It’s easier for people to throw up Prot and/or Regen and not think about what’s going on than it is for some one to know when to hit VoC or, in this discussion, activate a Signet (which the Guardian has a few that are 1 second or less activation time), and block a hard hitting attack. In which case we can all agree, hopefully, in those coordinated moments, we can say we’d rather have Aegis for full nullification than say Protection that allows us to eat 66.6% of the attack.

Since the discussion of Aegis’s usefulness is often tied to PvP & WvWvW, can we honestly say we’re good players and still be surprised by the certain attacks that are coming our way? I mean, when I see a good player’s youtube videos, they’re anticipating a lot of attacks and have great timing when it comes to dodging, and pulling the right skill to use at the right time.

Why is Aegis exempt from being mastered in such a way? Because it is a boon deemed to be a ‘boon & forget’ type?

As others have said, it is because of the way it works. Alot of attacks have multiple hits, while only few are burst. This is point is only further exemplified in WvW, where you have multiple small damage sources coming from all directions, you could easily pop an aegis CD to block a warrior’s eviscerate, only to have it ripped off by some small Ele AoE that you had no way to know was coming. Also in cases like against a thief, if an attack is blocked, they do not get taken out of stealth. Thus making Aegis a complete waste against one of their hardest hitting attacks, as they can just attack again for the same effect. The same can be said for anything with pets, where odds are the pets are going to blow up the aegis and not the actual enemy player. 1v1, yes, Aegis can be used to negate alot of damage when used correctly, anything 3+ where you are taking multiple hits, Aegis becomes a complete waste.

I suggested awhile ago maybe even 9 months ago. That Aegis needs a minor aoe resistance to it. So situations like that doesn’t happen. Or maybe give it a minor value. Like a Aegis can take a certain amount of damage before breaking. Or you can set in all or nothing mode. Where it then acts as it does now. At least you have a choice and interesting way to use it.

Hey,

i just thought about a signet/aegis build and heres my attempt:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUIQRAsd7elYgKCHESJEfIFSWhC06BBZQ+TVh5BTBBWRA-jAxAYsBRnALiGruGT5SEVLFAMLrA-e

One Signet offers: 1condi remove, 1 blocked attack, 3sec of burning, 700 heal, 3sec reta
In a Medi build one meditation offers: ~2,5k heal, 5sec fury (leaves rune set open)
A warrior auto attack is about 700-1300, so with even blocking an AA aegis+heal can get close to the surviability of a med build.

However, i think Signets are the Guards way to CC and CC is mainly needed to burst. I think the proper way to balance signets would be to remove the cast time of the CC ones (like they did with meds), so one could chain the burst skills. Like Signet o.W., Shield o.W., GS leap, Whirl and in whirl Bane Sig.

I think that more than making Aegis builds from Guardian more viable, this will change the nature of the class, allowing everyone else to get aegis (there are a lot of low cooldown signets). Not to mention that “Retreat” will be useless (unless they reduce the CD of it).

Bash.7291:

The only way I could really see this working is based on how strong shattered Aegis will be. (Which we never even got numbers for) And also if they ever changed aegis to not just block crap attacks and actually have some basic damage threshold. Unless SA is going to be very strong, I don’t see the point of giving up other runes just for an extra crap block here and there.

I don’t expect it to be strong, given that its a adept trait.

The only two classes I see making powerful use of these runes are warriors and necromancer’s since most of them already can’t go without at least 1-2 signets. I don’t see this rune being too useful on guardian’s but I don’t see why we shouldn’t try.

I will personally stick to my traveler runes.

Aza.2105:

Bash.7291:

The only way I could really see this working is based on how strong shattered Aegis will be. (Which we never even got numbers for) And also if they ever changed aegis to not just block crap attacks and actually have some basic damage threshold. Unless SA is going to be very strong, I don’t see the point of giving up other runes just for an extra crap block here and there.

I don’t expect it to be strong, given that its a adept trait.

Well, they said they wont it to be worthwhile to use, and they were worried about it being OP in group situations, so i guess we will see. Either way, I just do not see Aegis on signets being worth it for us, just because it will only equate to 3 extra aegis at most (considering wrath and mercy should never ever be on your bar)