Guild Wars 2

Coming from a long line of MMO’s I have always played the “healer/support” class. Even with GW2, where there is no dedicated healer profession, I chose the Guardian for their survivalbility, utility, heals, and overall support skills.

In most MMO’s, the dps classes would mock or never invite the dps specced Healer class, and in my opinion, usually had a point. But here, there is none of that because of the way GW2 was designed. The holy trinity does not exist.

It was pretty funny to me when I was blamed for not healing enough or curing their poison every time it came up. My current spec is 0/0/30/30/10. I am full support and it’s my primary focus while doing dungeons, etc.

For about 90% of my time here, the community has been great and my dungeon runs are great. But the selfish, glass cannon, no toughness/vitality, spam attack skills, no utility, lack of cc, dps people still exist. Some people are just ignorant to the way our heal spells work, still. They just cant seem to shake that mentality, that if they die it was your fault not theirs. Even in GW2.

Tell him to go back to Pandaland. The Guardian’s heals/boons/condition removals are only there to keep pressure down and shouldn’t be overly relied on for player mistakes.

Its always the case even with games with dedicated healers even.

Reminds me of TF2, I play medic and every time i start to heal someone at 20% hp he will jump back into the fight immediately thinking heals make him invincible.

Same with your unfortunately bad team. They think guardian skills make them invincible when its really just something to take pressure off like the above poster has mentioned

I just tell them where the nearest waypoint is and continue killing things. Revive spamming those pure DPS players is a waste of time.

Eh im personally in the same boat as the others here. I’m tired of carrying the moronic glass cannons and frankly I am to the point im just going to stop reviving them when they get downed. I’ve risked downed multiple time to revive them so they dont take a death and the few times i am downed getting them back up they let the mob kill me as they go back to attacking the mob. Im thinking its time to switch to a 0,15,30,20,5 build so they can see exactly how much i was carrying them threw a zone. They think i dont die with a 0,5,30,30,5 build just wait till they see when i get selfish and go with a screw you build.

Ok so ranting done. Personally i feel we as guardian’s should just go on strike of using support heavy builds and instead focus on ourselfs for a while and let the rest of the classes figure out just what support does for the party as i keep seeing more and more of these support sucks commits and how they carry us threw the zone.

I have altruistic healing so i will support no matter what to get heals for myself.

But I only revive people who actually make an effort to stay alive.
These people dont realize that no matter how much damage they deal, whenever they get downed not only do their dps suffer, they kill the dps of the team as a whole since someone has to stop attacking to get them up

this is probably myself at fault, but too often i find myself getting downed when i try to revive others. one thing i try to keep in mind is i try to revive everyone – as long as they are safe (thus be sayin git’s my own fault i get downed, but i feel the mechanics of “leaving a ressurection session” is not most responsive either. as in, to stop ressing and then get out of the way, it’s often too late. need more practice. anyways i digress…). but this being said, i had a similar experience where some people just weren’t contributing, is this being elitist? because we would all pretty much stop, to revive, putting outselves at stake while the mobs are free to do ANYTHING and will unload. specially in AoE cases. whhhhhhhew.

anyways. i like to think i am making a difference while playing. and as a supportive Guardian, i’m sure most of you can attest that we aren’t to be ignored in the damage department either. i play AH as well, so that gives me even MORE incentive to support, which i love doing myself anyways, but i get heals from it, so i can stay alive, so i can continue to DPS and continue to support to help you stay alive and DPS more.

my runes are specced for support as well when i coudl go more DPS.

akamon.2769:

this is probably myself at fault, but too often i find myself getting downed when i try to revive others. one thing i try to keep in mind is i try to revive everyone – as long as they are safe…

I’m playing GS / scepter+focus with 0/0/30/30/10 with all out support skills for regen etc. I have zero utility to protect myself while reviving. And that is why I don’t do it. I am there to soak the damage, pull all things in a neat train behind me, heal, regen, aegis and give someone a chance to revive others.

That is how I started to play my support. My build and playstyle are helping them stay alive much longer than they would on their own and if someone fails or gets unlucky, there are 3 other people to help him. I have my hands pretty full most of the time…when I don’t I can res, sure.

The mentality is hard to shake.

Even with my friends, I have to chide them for not having more Toughness/Vitality. Toughness/Vitality are must have stats for every class in GW2.

IMO rezzing any downed player in your vicinity is smart play. Downed rally pretty fast unless they’re being focussed and having another body in the fight is always useful. Conversely, people who are actually dead should get their carcasses to the next WP. Really hate it when people do that.

So in that sense, rezzing downed people is never a bad thing.

As for the rest, this is clearly a L2P issue. If they won’t learn, you don’t have to play with them.

agree completely I’ll do my best to get downed player back up in the fight if nothing else they can make a good meat shield.

in dungeons when WPs are free, there’s no excuse to just lay there in a huge dungeon brawl waiting to get rezed. You’re only hurting your group at that point. get your sorry butt up and back into the fight!

As far as what OP was talking about being a guardian i haven’t experienced this yet, every one i’ve partied up with has been pretty cool and not played the blame game. I imagine it will happen eventually and i’ll just lol when it does. However if the whole group treated me like a heal bot then i’d probably just drop party there’s no sense in giving yourself a headache over bad players with bad mentalities.

This happened in a pug my son was running sometime last week my kid plays a necro. From what he told me is after they wiped the warrior and ranger started playing the blame game on the guardian and ele, how they caused the wipe due to them not healing the group. So my kid started asking the warrior and ranger how much toughness they had and also pointed out that there were heals flying around. So the two cused the rest out and raged quit.

I myself play a guardian and have not experianced that. However i’m kinda getting sick of the types of people I take the time to rez only for them to walk right by me if i’m downed even if the fight is over. So I too am now in that mode if I have to walk so do you, I say screw’em.

The good thing is you guys can tell your server to not run with the people that use the blame game. They will either have to change their ways or change servers. Thats the good thing about no looking for dungeon and i doubt there will ever be a looking for dungeon. There is no reason for a glass cannon (im a guardian glass cannon in a way focusing on power precision and toughness) to die fast with the ammount of things they can do to either reduce damage or avoid it. I tanked a champ risen abom for about 90% of its health while giving might and such to the people around me (that would stay still to hit them with my elite number 3) and everyone was happy and it took very little time to down them unlike when a ranged kites it and the melee cant so anything to it because the glass cannons dont know that slows work on unstoppable mobs. Its unstoppable not unslowable and I yell at the rangers and such to use their slows and when they say “they dont work” i yell at them some more and tell them to use it because it does work and it skyrockets the damage to those kinds of mobs.

I don’t actually know if there are people stupid enough to run with no utility stills. But I do know people who never change their utility skills and people who don’t bother buying their trait books. >.<

So here you are, you go to the dungeon forums and hear people moaning about how dungeons are too hard while we all know that by now, many, many, many people have got dungeon running down to a routine that is only broken if certain members of the team are not pulling their weight.

Don’t get me wrong. I have had off days in dungeons as well. But there is a difference between having an off day and being ill prepared. Not being able to trait above 10 and running with utilities ill suited to dungeons, or at least the dungeon in question, is being ill-prepared and that’s just not acceptable!

In the old trinity, players who played “tanks” and “healer” usually had to be pretty good and were the ones that paid careful attention to their skills and gear etc, etc. The average DPS could get away with being crap and having crap gear. Not any more and people don’t like it!

I gotta be honest, I don’t play selfish, but I am a Guardian for myself.

Guardian is just too good at too many areas for me to sit back and watch others play. I
try to give them lots of might, and protect/regen/Aegis them when they need it. But the rest of the bar is for my game, to benefit my playing style.

I will strategically revive players. Downed and useful: I will risk to get them up. Downed and useless (or irritating): I will get them up if convenient. Defeated and useful: I will get them up if safe. Defeated and useless (or irritating): Let sleeping dogs lie dead.

We can support others, but that’s not our job. I can’t tell you how many times I have just let the other guy stay dead on his fourth time down and defeated the champion solo. Our job is to win and often we can do that better than the guy demanding the support.

I come form EVE-Online, and using a logistic ship (playing a healer) there is always a team effort with all the other team mates. Everyone needs resistance (toughness) for the repair (heal) to be really effective. As such most ships are balanced in terms of tank and dps in group efforts including support. So I only find it natural to include some tanking on all my builds (except pure PvE in open world).

I have yet to run my Guardian (0 0 30 30 10, crit hammer specced with lots of nice support an AH) in a dungeon as she is only levle 65 atm (so technically I don’t have all the traits, yet). I wonder how I will do in a random group with her. I know if I get my friends along it will be totally fine, since they all play EVE as well, and at least I can explain to those who do not.

Tbh from my experience the best , fastest way to do dung is .. having a Group full Brust aoe and each of them can clean condition on their own.

no one to blame.