Soldier Runes + Pure of voice(cond to boon)

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Posted by: Alpha.6913

Alpha.6913

Im just wondering something, with all armor runes as Soldier Runes (remove 1 condition/shout) and the Pure of Voice traint which converts a condition into a boon…

What will apply first? Will the allies get the condition removed (due to armor runes) or will the condition become a boon (trait)?

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

Harbinger.8637

PoV has priority over Soldier (Trooper) runes. So PoV will convert a condition into a boon, then the rune will remove a condition.

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Posted by: Crius.5487

Crius.5487

PoV has priority over Soldier (Trooper) runes. So PoV will convert a condition into a boon, then the rune will remove a condition.

This is true.

Trooper runes with PoV is actually a very old WvW frontline meta that is rarely used anymore.

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Posted by: Ynna.8769

Ynna.8769

PoV has priority over Soldier (Trooper) runes. So PoV will convert a condition into a boon, then the rune will remove a condition.

This is true.

Trooper runes with PoV is actually a very old WvW frontline meta that is rarely used anymore.

Still works pretty well, I find.

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Posted by: Crius.5487

Crius.5487

Against some terrible pug group, maybe. Against any half decent guild group, PoV builds probably won’t work.

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

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It still works fine, however it’s not really optimal depending on the situation. Conditions aren’t that much of a problem in larger organized fights. Melandru and Hoelbrak with lemongrass poultry soup is generally more than enough to deal with them.

It still works fine in pug zergs and also in smaller groups, however in larger organized groups it’s not really needed.

For example, I still use it when I do small group comp because conditions are still a viable threat there, Melandru and Hoelbrak are very selfish runes that would not help the comp out at all.

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Posted by: Ynna.8769

Ynna.8769

It still works fine in pug zergs and also in smaller groups,

That’s pretty much the only WvW I have time for :-) It works great for me and I know how to use it properly from sPvP.

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Posted by: Black Box.9312

Black Box.9312

Pure of Voice was really strong when it was ‘bugged’ to convert 2 conditions into boons per shout.

Now it’s hardly worthy of being a GM trait IMO, let alone worth taking over just using purging flames instead.

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Posted by: ArchonWing.9480

ArchonWing.9480

I think a more detailed explanation about this is in order. Not doing any favors just by saying it won’t work, or it’s inferior without saying why especially when wvw has so many variables involved that may or may not render my anecdotal experiences invalid given the need of the reader. What’s more important is that people pick a build that does what they need to do the best, and making too many assumptions is not too good of an idea.

POV is not that great because it is an absolute waste to use something like stand your ground or hold the line just to clear a condition or two. There’s way too many cover conditions that will flood you, so removing that random stack of bleed doesn’t help as much as it’d seem. It really isn’t worthy of a GM trait. The only time where it becomes of marginal use is when it’s combined with trooper runes, but if you do that, you’re committing your build to it and then you’re just left wondering if you could take better runes.

Thus purging flames, which not only removes condis but also reduces the effectiveness of incoming condis has become the dominant form of guardian condi removal. Nothing’s stopping you from taking both POV/soldier and Purging, but the issue is whether or not you would gain more by using melandru/hoelbrak

In smaller groups (non-zergs), POV is better, but it’s outclassed by Absolute Resolution which can be combined with Renewed focus for massive condi removal as well as passively improving your sustain. Burst condi removal is much more useful in those situations anyways for the same reason I listed above. Otherwise, you’re just going to spend forever removing junk conditions which will get reapplied anyways.

Let warriors use trooper runes, for the most part.

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