Guild Wars 2

Everyone swears by mace, but I cant stand it, its to slow.

Cause everything and their mother has reflects and projectile absorbs now.

Ubik.8315:

Cause everything and their mother has reflects and projectile absorbs now.

Mace doesnt have any of that…..

Oh, I was refering to why people don’t run 1h sword much now. Too many projectiles for a melee weapon. Needs a pretty massive overhaul tbh (along with every other guard weapon except LB and focus).

Ubik.8315:

Cause everything and their mother has reflects and projectile absorbs now.

This. AA with sword and having a Scrapper or ele with magnetic aura, means you either have to cancel your chain or dodge it if it fires off, and 3 is all projectile and root, So if anything, the only thing that doesn’t hurt you in the end is Flashing Blade, which is mainly just used to gap close and blind.

Ubik.8315:

Oh, I was refering to why people don’t run 1h sword much now. Too many projectiles for a melee weapon. Needs a pretty massive overhaul tbh (along with every other guard weapon except LB and focus).

Well people swear by mace but its a melee weapon man all this posts are making me wonder if playing a guard was really the right choice, ive already spent money on him.

Ryou.2398:

Well people swear by mace but its a melee weapon man all this posts are making me wonder if playing a guard was really the right choice, ive already spent money on him.

? Mace and sword are both melee. Sword just has projectiles on third strike of auto in melee range, and sword 3 has kittenty projectiles to 600 range but they’re so slow they might as well be melee since they don’t hit otherwise.

Ryou.2398:

Well people swear by mace but its a melee weapon man all this posts are making me wonder if playing a guard was really the right choice, ive already spent money on him.

Develop your own opinions. It’ll work out better for everyone.

Ghotistyx.6942:

Ryou.2398:

Well people swear by mace but its a melee weapon man all this posts are making me wonder if playing a guard was really the right choice, ive already spent money on him.

Develop your own opinions. It’ll work out better for everyone.

I do but it doesnt change what I said for many.

Ghotistyx.6942:

Develop your own opinions. It’ll work out better for everyone.

TBF opinions can be wrong.

Mace AA feels slow because of the 3rd hit in the AA-chain.
For the “proper” use of the mace (to make it’s PvE dps higher compared to a sword) you should attack twice with the mace and cancel the slow third attack.
so:

1 >> 1 >> Esc >> “Any other skill with an activation.” >> 1 >> 1 >> Esc >> Repeat.

If you’re not going to cancel the mace you could choose to use it for the symbol or for the block or just for the self-sustain WITH the 3rd hit in the AA-chain.

Sword is fun, it’s fast. but as others have stated it has issues because the projectiles either don’t hit or get reflected often.

Even if everything hits with the Sword its DPS is still a bit lower than the skill-cancelling on mace.

It’s all about the optimization. ^^

However, and here’s the most important part:

If you desire to play with a sword, do so.
It isn’t as awful as you’d think it is, judging from all these comments.

I certainly love using blinding flash in an offensive, defensive and utilistic way.

• Gap closer
• Blind-spam
• Movement increase.

The Skill 3 on sword Zealot’s Defense is also a DPS boost over the AA-chain if you can get all projectiles to hit.

TL;DR:
The Prioritized Mace over Sword is an optimization and utility issue.
The Sword is however not as trashy as everyone would make it out to be.
Optimized gameplay isn’t everything and fun should go first.

Idk man, I like mace way more for PvE. At least it has some depth to it with canceling the auto for more dps and using the block at the right time. Sword is just auto auto auto. :<

The projectile on Sword AA is also very narrow and has a tendency to miss if you or your enemy is on any sort of incline.

Don’t get me wrong, the Sword obviously needs a rework for at least the projectiles to make it a consistent weapon and adding some extra benefits to the currently “bland” skills wouldn’t hurt either.

Some boon application would be nice.
The Projectiles consistently hitting is a necessary update.
Blinding Flash could even get a longer range just to add some more usefulness to it.
Zealot’s Defense is also horribly broken with the Rooting, destruction of projectiles in a narrow path, damage that IS higher than the AA but hard to pull off.

The concept of Zealot’s Defense is great it’s just not befitting of a game with as much movement as GW2.
I feel this goes for just about everything guardian-related though.

If your min maxing, they you shouldn’t care so much about animations, style, speed, you just play what’s best. If you care more about how you look or how something plays, do what you like. Frankly, if you get too caught up with what people swear by, you’re just going to be casing builds you might not like the whole time.

I used to swear by mace in Open World .. it’s burst potential is consistent and frequent.

Or as Karl would put it: " i have no idea what you guys are talking about. Guardian as designed by me is at a good spot. Case closed."

They should rework sword to be a hybrid weapon.

We have enough power based weapons.
Mace=power based high dps
Hammer=power based high dps
Greatsword=power based high dps
Scepter and Longbow=powerbased and focused on dps
Staff=Lootstick focused on triggering lootable mobs, no other uses
sword=? what? It has no role/niche to fill.

Norjena.5172:

They should rework sword to be a hybrid weapon.

We have enough power based weapons.
Mace=power based high dps
Hammer=power based high dps
Greatsword=power based high dps
Scepter and Longbow=powerbased and focused on dps
Staff=Lootstick focused on triggering lootable mobs, no other uses
sword=? what? It has no role/niche to fill.

Its niche is its speed, mobility, and ranged, considering you can make it faster with traits and no other weapons are just as fast I’d rather just see it buffed and reworked some, not completely changed.

Norjena.5172:

They should rework sword to be a hybrid weapon.

We have enough power based weapons.
Mace=power based high dps
Hammer=power based high dps
Greatsword=power based high dps
Scepter and Longbow=powerbased and focused on dps
Staff=Lootstick focused on triggering lootable mobs, no other uses
sword=? what? It has no role/niche to fill.

Not hybrid weapon, condi weapon. Guard has not a sibgle condi weapon even torch is hybrid. Change torch to full condi revanp sword to condi and scepter to hybrid. Addotionally i would say 2# of scepter to a seal like the most other weapons also have.
The projectiles on the number 3 of sword are actually pretty cool but i would make them unblockable, i mean the do not even count as projectiles in combos so this wouöd fit well.

On the topic … there should be no weapon that is condi of hybrid for Guardians, because it completely defeats the whole condi application for the class. In addition, it LIMITS your choices for condi AND power builds when Anet does this. Many examples ingame.

No thanks. I like the fact I can build in some condi damage on Guardian without being regulated to a specific weapon to do it.

Ryou.2398:

Norjena.5172:

They should rework sword to be a hybrid weapon.

We have enough power based weapons.
Mace=power based high dps
Hammer=power based high dps
Greatsword=power based high dps
Scepter and Longbow=powerbased and focused on dps
Staff=Lootstick focused on triggering lootable mobs, no other uses
sword=? what? It has no role/niche to fill.

Its niche is its speed, mobility, and ranged, considering you can make it faster with traits and no other weapons are just as fast I’d rather just see it buffed and reworked some, not completely changed.

The trait doesn’t make it faster, it just gives it lower cooldowns, but if the sword’s trait did, instead, make the auto-attack faster, I think would see much more use.

Conncept.7638:

Ryou.2398:

Norjena.5172:

They should rework sword to be a hybrid weapon.

We have enough power based weapons.
Mace=power based high dps
Hammer=power based high dps
Greatsword=power based high dps
Scepter and Longbow=powerbased and focused on dps
Staff=Lootstick focused on triggering lootable mobs, no other uses
sword=? what? It has no role/niche to fill.

Its niche is its speed, mobility, and ranged, considering you can make it faster with traits and no other weapons are just as fast I’d rather just see it buffed and reworked some, not completely changed.

The trait doesn’t make it faster, it just gives it lower cooldowns, but if the sword’s trait did, instead, make the auto-attack faster, I think would see much more use.

Essentially it does make it faster because of the lower cooldowns.

sword is a good weapon, it would be a great weapon if the AA gets fixed and skill 3 doesn’t root and isn’t a projectile. (basically turn it into mesmer scepter 3)

It would be still worse then mace in most situations.

Mace have higher dps, better sustain (healing), a usefull block (it even works for allies)and regenaration for up to 5 players.

Btw, Torch and Langbow have condition applieing abilitys, so i think they could rework staff/sword or scepter to be a main handed condition based weapon.
That would help guardians more then just fixing the sword.

More useful builds=more situations where the class itself is useful.

It´s time to change the class.

Let our enemys BURN, let them SUFFER!

mace has 0 mobility, which you absolutely need as a guardian, it also hits no one in pvp and has no burst, which as kittenty as zealot’s defense is, can still be chained with JI for a reasonable burst.

Darknicrofia.2604:

as kittenty as zealot’s defense is, can still be chained with JI for a reasonable burst.

Protector’s Strike can’t?

lol at protector’s strike “bursting” anything

the point of the JI burst is to finish off that last 20% HP of a target that’s trying to kite you, a skill that requires blocking an attack can’t burst unless you’re talking about trying to burst down a moa in pve.

People have combined PS and JI plenty before, so that was more rhetorical than anything.

you want to combine a blocking animation with JI for burst…?

am i being trolled here?

Darknicrofia.2604:

you want to combine a blocking animation with JI for burst…?

am i being trolled here?

Well I mean it’s possible, with lingering AoEs and being attacked from ranged but running tatgets? Yeah…probably not.

Darknicrofia.2604:

you want to combine a blocking animation with JI for burst…?

am i being trolled here?

well i mean 99% of the time its gonna trigger on something and do a kitten ton of damage so why does that seem bad