Guild Wars 2

I would take the name Firebrand over Purifier any day for the Guardian Elite spec name. Firebrand sounds more universal and fitting compared to Purifier if it’s going to be a Condi/healer spec, that people are guessing it’s going to be, Purifier doesn’t sound right, imo sounds more like a household appliance than a spec, and if it’s going to be matching with spec theme, it sounds like a condition cleanse bot, which Guardian already has the capability to. I hope they stick with Firebrand, or at the very least come up with something in relation to the speculated tomes coming.

Guys, remember the recent Seraph stat combo in honour of Logan, the Seraph captain and a fellow Guardian?

It had precision, condi damage, healing power and concentration.

The latter 3 is what our virtues do, so the tomes will inherit that functionality, so maybe Seraph gear was meant for Firebrand.

RabbitUp.8294:

Ermm, Zeal is a must for dps DH

only in raids. so thats for 5% all guardians that even raid.

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ermm, Zeal is a must for dps DH

only in raids. so thats for 5% all guardians that even raid.

wat

I mean in wvw and pvp I can understand not bringing it. But it is kind of a must, where you want to do the highest dps you can.

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ermm, Zeal is a must for dps DH

only in raids. so thats for 5% all guardians that even raid.

What is that supposed to mean?

It’s used in raids because you need it to maximise your power damage as a DH. It’s not like it offers a raid-exclusive perk.

So, in pve, where dps is king, you go Zeal.

RabbitUp.8294:

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ermm, Zeal is a must for dps DH

only in raids. so thats for 5% all guardians that even raid.

What is that supposed to mean?

It’s used in raids because you need it to maximise your power damage as a DH. It’s not like it offers a raid-exclusive perk.

So, in pve, where dps is king, you go Zeal.

GL with that in new maps or HoT maps.

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ermm, Zeal is a must for dps DH

only in raids. so thats for 5% all guardians that even raid.

What is that supposed to mean?

It’s used in raids because you need it to maximise your power damage as a DH. It’s not like it offers a raid-exclusive perk.

So, in pve, where dps is king, you go Zeal.

GL with that in new maps or HoT maps.

Changing builds for open-world is too much effort for me, at best I switch from scepter/torch to sword/focus, and only because sword #2 makes me feel faster, and torch is bad vs multiple enemies. Other than that, I’ve been running Zeal/Radiance/DH in full zerker ever since I’ve started HoT, no trouble at all.

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ermm, Zeal is a must for dps DH

only in raids. so thats for 5% all guardians that even raid.

What is that supposed to mean?

It’s used in raids because you need it to maximise your power damage as a DH. It’s not like it offers a raid-exclusive perk.

So, in pve, where dps is king, you go Zeal.

GL with that in new maps or HoT maps.

Cleared the HoT maps just fine with Zeal. Died a few times as expected, but nothing a switched out traitline would have saved me from.
edit: this was a zeal/virtue/dragonhunter, full zerker, greatsword/longbow build

I’m really curious what the new spec will bring. Seems like to be more on support oriented, but how?

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ragnarox.9601:

RabbitUp.8294:

Ermm, Zeal is a must for dps DH

only in raids. so thats for 5% all guardians that even raid.

What is that supposed to mean?

It’s used in raids because you need it to maximise your power damage as a DH. It’s not like it offers a raid-exclusive perk.

So, in pve, where dps is king, you go Zeal.

GL with that in new maps or HoT maps.

Works great, I’d never want to miss that damage.

Mikau.6920:

I’m really curious what the new spec will bring. Seems like to be more on support oriented, but how?

I heard, before the leak, that it is a spec that focuses on healing, burning and quickness. With how the previous tomes were, I’d expect one focused on offence/burning and the other to focus on healing/protection with the new tome (chances are two of the tomes will be remakes of the old elites) being something of the buff variety.

Edit: And concerning zeal in new maps and stuff: I use it in my burn build for the might while rocking a scepter. You get 25 stacks pretty quick and then everything just dies instantly.

Genesis.8572:

Hopefully the name goes back to the previous leak name of “Purifier,” because “Firebrand” would make the Guardian the consecutive winner of the “Worst E-Spec Name” award.

ANet sucks in general at creativity in regard of naming things lately…

When we look just at what they did to the game with the Specs, its a miracle, that none of the games core classes have received such terrible “names” and received all (except revenant, but thats an HoT abomination in the end still ) kind of normal sounding serious “profession names”, that actually are also existing terms of jobs, with the only exceptions of the clear and obvious fantasy central professions that are based on magic – but then even those are based on mythology and culture somewhere, whereas anet did for some E-Specs with HoT and now for the next expansion as well some kind crazy sounding abominations , which never will end well at all anyhow in the localization works later, wihtout totally twisting around 180° the meaning of either the term, or the concept behind the specialization just to get it localized into something, that sounds in the other language halway trustworthy – but most likely will have lost its connection to the true meaning behind the original english word that anet has taken for the name of the spec.

The way how Anet names their specs may work very well maybe for languages, that are full of synonyms, double meanings everywhere which allow a reader to interpretate into a single word a million different meanings and due to this the freedom in a fantasy came basically to see into the terms whatever you want.

But for languages like German, that are compared to English/American English alot more strict and straight forward in regard of the meanigns of each individual word, where words have not a gazillion different meanings for one and the same thing basically, literally forces the localizes to be extremely creative in coming up with names that satisfy the true meaning on the one hand of the English original word, and on the other hand satisfy same as much the gameplay concept of the specialization and where the name actually does fit also as well to the actions you can do with the specialization later in the game.

Lets take Firebrand here now..

Would Ii try to translate that name now in a 1:1 manner over into German, I would get the idiotic result of “Feuermal” oder “Brandfackel”.
The first one being absolutely no profession at all, would I retranslate the 1st word back into English, would I end up with a port-wine stain >.>“birthmark” instead and what in the hell has a birthmark to do with being a profession??? Nothing.

Do I use the other word, retranslating it back to English I would end up with Firebrand directly, but in German is a “Brandfackel” not a profession, its just a stupid different term for a TORCH.
So if we want to localize such silly words into other languages, in this example now into German, localizers forcefully have to become very creative and change the name most likely into something completely different, just so that the name and the gameplay end up later as somethign, that makes in the end in context of each other SENSE (hopefully)

If that spec ends up as axe wielder ad uses Tomes, then I would rather prefer to call that specializatzion with a serious soundign name that actualy would sound also as well like some kind of serious “profession” in the guild wars universe like “Crusader” (Kreuzfahrer) or “Cleric” (Kleriker), or “Justicar” (Justiziar) based from “Judge” as executors of justice, one of the guardians core virtues! as judges use “tomes” tbhat are full with their “laws” to keep justice and to punish those who violence them.

3 very good much more fitting like real professions sounding terms, than such nonsense like “Firebrand” which isn’#t even a profession term at all, that Anet will want for sure hold us under our noses again with their excuse of this name being too “high concept” for us to grasp, like they defended this way the first round of weird sounding E-Spec names for HoT lol… instea of just admittign it, that they simply weren’t creative enough to come up just upon some names for their concepts, that actually sounded also like professions, like they did do that for all of the core professions to give them names that sound like normal professions that fit into a classical fantasy based medieval world on what you would expect from such a game.

Orpheal.8263:

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Crusader would work considering they named the warrior elite spec Berserker, and we now have a stat called Crusaders. Then we just need the new thief espec to be called Assassin!
edit: I was joking btw. Naming specs after already existing gear is a silly idea.
Firebrand or Justiciar (White Mantle vibes ftw) get my vote.

Crusader would be a nice fit for a tank elite spec.
But for this? Crusaders weren’t scholars.

I think Absolver would be a nice name for this spec.

RabbitUp.8294:

Crusader would be a nice fit for a tank elite spec.
But for this? Crusaders weren’t scholars.

I think Absolver would be a nice name for this spec.

Or, you know, Firebrand works too.

Even if you disagreed with the whole, “witch hunter” concept of the Dragonhunter themed name, Firebrand complements it in terms of it metaphorically “branding” enemies with purifying flames (or something to that extent).

Even if you disagree with the above, Firebrand complements the overall role that Axe will give us; an actual Condi burn weapon we’ve yet to have on our bar, amongst a change of utilities.

This assumes Firebrand is more attuned to condi…. assumptions.. assumptions.

Oh yes, I personally like Firebrand a lot. This is really the only place I’ve heard anybody be against the name, and trying to start a Dragonhunter 2.0

I think Absolver would be a nice name.

Saiyan.1704:

Even if you disagreed with the whole, “witch hunter” concept of the Dragonhunter themed name, Firebrand complements it in terms of it metaphorically “branding” enemies with purifying flames (or something to that extent).

How exactly does one “brand” someone with purifying flames? :p

If a name for a class (or the like) needs an explanation in the first place, it probably isn’t very good.

Fashion Mage.3712:

I think Absolver would be a nice name.

Saiyan.1704:

Even if you disagreed with the whole, “witch hunter” concept of the Dragonhunter themed name, Firebrand complements it in terms of it metaphorically “branding” enemies with purifying flames (or something to that extent).

How exactly does one “brand” someone with purifying flames? :p

If a name for a class (or the like) needs an explanation in the first place, it probably isn’t very good.

I mean you could use that argument against any of the original elite spec names.
“Why is it called Berserker?”
Well Berserker comes from the words bjorn (bear) and serkr (coat), which is a reference to the bearskins worn by Danish champions in the Dark Ages.

Anyone who knows what a Firebrand is will know its a reference to rebellious orators, which works well alongside the theme of fire and tomes.

Orpheal.8263:

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Don’t you think that those translations would be more reasonable and less silly?

• Unruhestifter
• Hitzkopf
• Heißsporn

Not that I’d prefer them but it’s not too far fetched considering Daredevils became “Draufgänger” and Scrappers became “Schrotter” … whua. The spec will most likely end up just being “Feuerbrand” anyway so we don’t have to bother too much.

Fashion Mage.3712:

I think Absolver would be a nice name.

Saiyan.1704:

Even if you disagreed with the whole, “witch hunter” concept of the Dragonhunter themed name, Firebrand complements it in terms of it metaphorically “branding” enemies with purifying flames (or something to that extent).

How exactly does one “brand” someone with purifying flames? :p

If a name for a class (or the like) needs an explanation in the first place, it probably isn’t very good.

They burn away the impurity. Burn! Burn! BWHUAHAHAHA!

mine fuherbrand…. lel….

for what people are speculation it sounds what SW+secpters build should be…

Xaylin.1860:

Not that I’d prefer them but it’s not too far fetched considering Daredevils became “Draufgänger” and Scrappers became “Schrotter” … whua. The spec will most likely end up just being “Feuerbrand” anyway so we don’t have to bother too much.

That’s scary … I wasn’t even aware how much they’ve kittened up the German translations. Really glad I play MMOs on English clients ever since Blizzard produced a giant mess when they fully translated WoW.

Lahmia.2193:

Orpheal.8263:

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Crusader would work considering they named the warrior elite spec Berserker, and we now have a stat called Crusaders. Then we just need the new thief espec to be called Assassin!
edit: I was joking btw. Naming specs after already existing gear is a silly idea.
Firebrand or Justiciar (White Mantle vibes ftw) get my vote.

Not right! Not a silly idea – the correct way of naming classes.
After your logic would we have to rename already the Berserker Gear Stat, just because we have an Elite Specialization that is also called Berserker.
for the game it would be just best to get rod of the gear stat terms
(That would free up in certain cases terms for potentially better Elite-Specializations like for example Crusader for the Guardian instead of this Firebrand/Purifier garbage)

The whole nonsense around these gear stat prefix terms wouldn’t even exist in this game, if the game would get finally rid of those obsolete gear stats and would allow our character development to become completely free through just automatic gain of attribute points by leveling up the character followed by individual attribute point distribution by the players – together with the option to reset your attribute point setup anytime out of combat.

The only point which speaks against the huge QoL improvement that would tremendously reduce grind in this game is the fear that people have, that this kind of change woudl destroy the game economy – but thats nonsense as well ,because it just lies in the hands of Anet, how they just would need to change recipes and material requirements to ensure, that those materials that were formerly used for all kinds of gear stat stuff will receive new ways how those materials that were formerly part of the gear stat stuff will be needed by the playe.rs, so that the players still want to buy in masses the materials from other players, so that the demand for the items still stays high enough or eventually will even rise based on the made changes.

Can say it only again – it would just lie in the hands of Anet, but getting rid of obsolete gear stats absolutely DOES NOT have to mean automatically, that the whole game economy iwl lcrash from that change – thats pure hyperbole and predictign things into something, that absolutely nobody can know.
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Crusader/Cleric/Justicar would make as options for a tome based Specialization just the most sense.

Crusader fits best, if you want the Specialization to follow the flair of the general virtue based specialization that is focused on general improved virtue gameplay

Cleric fits best, if you want the Specialization to follow the flair of the “Purifier”, the kind of guardian which supports the group massively through condition cleanses and punishes enemies for using condition skills.

Justicar fits best , if you want the Specialization to follow the flair of the “Judge” as a specialization which is heavily focused on being the specialization for the Virtue of “Justice” – the rulers of laws – best suited for the Tome Gameplay, while the DH feels more like also being the Spec for basically all Virtues, as in theory if Anet has plans for a Crusader Spec, it could easily also be the one specificly for the Virtue of Courage.

CptAurellian.9537:

That’s scary … I wasn’t even aware how much they’ve kittened up the German translations. Really glad I play MMOs on English clients ever since Blizzard produced a giant mess when they fully translated WoW.

To be fair: I’m not able to come up with suitable alternatives.

The translation for GW2 is quite good overall. In case of classes – or e-specs – they indeed have to be careful to not use a word or name they could use for a different purpose or e-spec later on.

I prefer the English audio, though.

Feuerbrand!

@Xaylin

All 3 of your named options are no professions, not at all anythign what you would compare to anything of the Core professions like Thief, Ranger, Warrior, Guardian, which are all serious sounding class medieval professions and not high conceptual junk like Firebrand, or cliche stuff like DH or again high conceptual junk like tempest, which Anet screwed over in the German localization into Sturmbote (Stormrunner) which is in its word and meaning somethign completely different and is very near in tough with the word “Herald/Herold” which on the other hand has ANet used as first Elite Spec Name for the Revenant >.>

That much messed up ANet with their nonsensical “high concepts” the whole localization. Lets not begin here first even with Daredevil and Scrapper.
Reaper was even a stretch, but at least in this case a deeply LOREBASED stretch that made for Necromancers sense, while DH was just a lorebased for Braham’s Drama invented disaster compared to this.

Unruhestifter, sounds not very much after somethign that is deeply connected to a Guardian (Wächter), it is kind of the completely OPPOSITE of what a guardian stands for.. a guadian makes sure that “Unruhestifter” just land into JAIL cause they are “troublemakers”

A “Hitzkopf” is just a person, who acts without thinking first and that in an overly aggressive manner. What has this please to do with a Guardian? Everybody can be a “Hitzkopf”, completely irrelevant of which class you play. Hitzkopf is just a completely unreliable translation that focuses too much on the aspect of “fire” > hotheaded.

Same goes with Heißsporn, its just a synonym in this case for Hitzkopf, but it a kind of little more positively meant way, when you are very eagerly wanting to do something and theres just somebody or somethign that stops you from doing what you want to do so eagerly, thats the moment when you can say to that person, that he/she is a “Heißsporn” in German which is in this case just one of the many mentioned “double meanings” I mentioned in regard of English where we have in german for specific word for more oftenly own unique words, in Englihs you have for all kinds of various meanings out of different situations (contexts) 1 and the same word that is used for like half a douzen if different meanings.

just make the ENglish to German translation
https://www.dict.cc/?s=firebrand

You see already here, that this simple 6 word has directly 6 different meanings in German. That makes it naturally not easier for localizing especially “high conceptional” names of classes, when there are only vry vague references for a fitting translation, or in worst case, absolutely no, so that you are basically forced to invent for th localization a new word, which fits to the gameplay and class design.

Thats the way how Anet made practically the “Sturmbote” for us, because would anet have localized in a 1:1 manner for us the Tempest, then would be called the E-Spec in german for us just only “Unwetter” , which would be retranslated back to English just “Storm” basically and sicne when is being a Storm a profession?
Being a Guadian is a profession, cause its a job that you can learn to become. You can’t learn to become a weather effect.
Thats what I mean that profession names must be serious. Every name for a class or Elite specialization should reflect a profession, that you can actually learn to become.

If a Class/E-Spec name can’t fulfill this simple criteria, then the class/E-Spec should get renamed.
Can you learn how to become a Firebrand? No Can you learn how to become a Crusader or a Cleric, or a Justicar? Yes, you casn, because that a true profession terms, jobs that you can learn as a person.
It are not titles, it are not high conceptual fantasy terms, it are no word mutations that just sound fancy like “Souldbeast” LOL /facepalm.

No, it are just equal terms, that are on the same standards as liek Thief, Ranger, Guardian or Warrior are, without any high concepts behind it, ect. pp and thatx it, how I think, that all class names and Elite Specs shoudl be like, because that way it becomes also the most easiest for localization of the names for all languages, without that any language later ends up with some kind of alinating translations that are absolutely out of tough with the meaning of the English original word maybe.

PS: I will scream, if the German localization of Firebrand ends up later really as “Feuerbrand” no kidding

Lahmia.2193:

I mean you could use that argument against any of the original elite spec names.
“Why is it called Berserker?”
Well Berserker comes from the words bjorn (bear) and serkr (coat), which is a reference to the bearskins worn by Danish champions in the Dark Ages.

Anyone who knows what a Firebrand is will know its a reference to rebellious orators, which works well alongside the theme of fire and tomes.

I -and I’m sure most people- just thought it was called “Berserker” because it has a Berserk-mode mechanic and therefore they go “berserk”, and that probably really is why it’s called that, rather than because of the obscure origin of berserkers in real life somehow justifying an in-game name for a class.

Orpheal.8263:

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To make this short since I don’t want to comment on the whole wall of text:

• Draufgänger = Daredevil isn’t a profession in the classic sense either. You are being too narrow minded when establishing a requirement like ‘Can one become X?’.
• E-Specs – while connected to the base class – don’t necessarily cater their core ideals.
• I’m German so I don’t need the dictionairy to evaluate the names I suggested.

As you said yourself, often times you can’t translate English words too literally. Sturmbote (literal translation: Stormcaller) gets the job done for Tempest just fine. So would Feuerbrand for Firebrand. Unless you’d argue that professions got to have a gender – which might actually be the case.

Regarding your initial suggestions, none of them really hit the sweet spot for me personally – no hard feelings. They either don’t fit the Axe or Tomes. Plus, Clerics are basically covered by baseline Guardian (Mace, Hammer, Staff, Shield). I’d rather have a generic name then. [Edit: Unless it’s silly like Feuerbringer… oh god…]

Maybe we will have to wait for more information on the background of the e-spec for it to make sense. It might as well end up as “Eiferer” (translation: Zealot) or something else which fits the theme of the new area of the game.

[Edit2: Soulbeast is easily going to be Seelenbiest…/in… cough. ]

@Xaylin:

Don’t misunderstand me, personally I wasn’t to begin with from begin on a supporter of the localization “Draufgänger” for Daredevil as well, because of it being no real profession term that is equal with profession terms like Thief, Warrior, Guardian ect.
Sure, an Elite Spec must not be strongly connected to the Base Class, but it should be at least tied to it strong enough, that you can see where the Spec is coming from and I think in regard of this should be the name of the E-Spec same as trustworthy as profession, like the Core Class. It should be coherent to the Core Class. and its Gameplay Mechanics, while being at the same time different enough so that its name fits to the new mechanics, skills and gameplay effects that the E-Spec adds to the Game, without sounding absurd, childish or too high conceptual just for the sake only of making it sound “unique/new”.

Best example is Holosmith, it sounds like a true profession, somethign that you can learn to become, without beign too high conceptual, without sounding absurd or childish and its coherent to the Engineer as an Elite Specialization that has focused its abilities in Technology, so Inventions and Tools to turn Holograms into something, that can be helpful in combat (most likely into a different form of Minions similar to Clones, but different to Gyros

Your point about Clerics is moot, Berserkers are also for the Warrior basically already covered by the Dual Swords, Dual Axes, Dual Maces, Hammer and the Greatsword and still, Anet added Berserkers as a Warrior Elite Spec with a different new Weapon.
So why should make Anet now in front of Clerics a stop for the Guardian. Same could be done for the Cleric, adding with them the Axe, but that doesn’t stop anybody from playing later a Cleric with an other Weapon, like the Mace or the Hammer to play the E-Spec with one of its more traditional Weapons.
An Elite Spoecialization isn’t designed around the Weapon only, Skills, traits and Gameplay Mechanics have also a word to say here too in regard if a name of an Elite Specialization fits to it ,or not.

By the way Stormcaller is Sturmrufer, not Sturmbote, so your literal translation was wrong.
However, if the E-Spec ends up as Eiferer for us, that would make sense at least for us in German, but personally I find it wrong to give other languages different class names, just so that the terms are suiting, while they use for the English Version then terms, that completely mean somethign different.

Thats like calling a Warrior Warrior in English and then calling the Warrior in German “Kämpfer”, which is Fighter in English and a completely different word.
While the translation does make sense for German sure, it doesn’t change the fact, that it would be a completely different word based from the English original that could have been translated closer to the orignal and as such wouldn’t be truly a correct translation

If I had to localize now this weird term of “Soulbeast” into German, because here we have clearly a high conceptual fantasy name than can’t be localized in a 1:1 way to end up with a trustworthy profession term, I’d call them “Biestherr/in”, but that would be retranslated back then “Beastlord” as a class, which will most likely be for the rangr a shapeshifter this time that will be able to transform intself into some kind of “Beast Avatars” instead of using pets or which is able to transform their pets with some kinmd of supernatural powers (animal souls) their pets into more powerful soul beasts.
Beastlord would suit for all languages also much better as term for a ranger e-spec that is based on beast mastery, instead of naming the E-Spec most likely after its gameplay mechanic and lettign it sound like a high conceptual fantasy term and not like a trustworthy profession name that is equal with Ranger, Thief & Co.

I agree with you, Feuerbringer would be same as silly as like Feuerbrand for a localization into German.
I’m just absolutely no friend of any high conceptual terms at all, as they end up in most cases just only a silly, childish or absurd sounding terms that can’t be taken serious, especialyl when the core classes use all except of the magic/fantasy based core classes all trustworthy traditional profession terms and are mostly always used in games only, to make something forcefully sound “unique”, without caringabout it, if those terms may be immersion breaking.

When did the German translation became the yardstick with which we are to judge the elite spec names?

If it doesn’t translate well, it’s not a problem of the original name.

My favorite thing is when we start discussing German translations on an English video game forum.

No one said paladin yet so I say let’s call it paladin

Ghotistyx.6942:

My favorite thing is when we start discussing German translations on an English video game forum.

Localizations are part of any international games. Get used to it.
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Paladin doesn’t really fit to Tomes.
It would be more a fitting term for an E-Spec that is based on Radiance using Tower Shields for the MH as weapon.

This spec is kind of more the Elite Spec that is based on the Virtue of Justice and Zeal, which is why I can agree with it, that “Zealot” would also be a better term for it that would suit also better for localization works (Eiferer) as a term for a kind of fanatic which “purifies” all evil through zealous flames and punishes/purges evil doers with forbidden zealous spells from ancient tomes, kind of like an “Exorcist” which would be also a class term that I’d prefer much more for the Elite Specialization, than this ridiculous “Firebrand”, because Exorcist is at least a clear trustworthy profession term that stands equal with terms like Guardian, Warrior, Thief & Engineer on a same level.

Orpheal.8263:

Localizations are part of any international games. Get used to it.

There are german forums, where this discussion would be relevant.

I’ll just ignore the nonsense then.

What Symbol will Axe get? We kinda ran out of boons, there’s aegis, stability, quickness, resistance, all of them a bit too strong for a main-hand cooldown. Maybe there’s a new boon with the expansion, like we got the taunt condi in HoT.

In my Tome elite spec concept, I had an off-hand warhorn and gave the tomes each a Symbol.
Justice -> Offensive/condi tome -> Quickness
Resolve -> Healing tome -> Resistance
Courage -> Support/defense tome -> Stability

Ghotistyx.6942:

Orpheal.8263:

Localizations are part of any international games. Get used to it.

There are german forums, where this discussion would be relevant.

Discussions there are fruitless and lead to nothing. Here is where the music plays and where you reach the people that you want to reach regardless of which language I speak.

@Rabbit

I see this spec as a more melee oriented offensive Specialization, so why has a Symbol Skill on the Axe have to do in a defensive or supportive way with Boons?
It would fit much better, if it affects offensively Boons, in regard of “purification” by removing enemy boons instead as like conditions as well as a powerful OH Axe skill based on it, if we will be able to wield the axe in both hands, or just only boon removal, if such a symbol skill lands later in the MH only for that Elite Spec.

The guardian class has enough defensive/supportive skills and already enough access to boons easily too.
It would make more sense to me, if the Axe Symbol Skill just purges hit foes from one of their Boons to make clear, that the Axe Symbol Skill is of offensive nature.

Because all Symbols grant boons, regardless of what the weapon does. Sure, they can make a different Symbol for axe, but it would be a first.

The spec is not purely offensive, according to the leak, it’s condition and support.

RabbitUp.8294:

Because all Symbols grant boons, regardless of what the weapon does. Sure, they can make a different Symbol for axe, but it would be a first.

The spec is not purely offensive, according to the leak, it’s condition and support.

hmm, good point, clearly an oversight of me.. so hmm in that case I think the Axe Skill Symbol should grant Quickness as an offensive boon to raise briefly your attack speed als also to support that way the DPS of your allies by the help of the increased attack speed while standing in that symbol.

Considering that the spec used to be called (or still is called) Purifier, the symbol probably provides resistance. The icon kind of looks like the axe is thrown too, so if I had to guess just off of the icon, I’d say it’s ranged.

Orpheal.8263:

I see this spec as a more melee oriented offensive Specialization

It’s almost certainly a support/condition caster elite spec. The tome replacing justice will probably be like Tome of Wrath (1200 range burning/offensive support), the tome replacing resolve will probably be a 1200 ranged healing weapon ala Tome of Courage, and I’m assuming the tome replacing courage will be 1200 range barrier/aegis/defensive boon spam. I have my doubts about even the axe being a melee weapon, and mantras aren’t exactly the best thing to cast in melee range either.

I just hope it isnt a range axe weapon -.- with copy pasta necro spells on it but with a “guardian” theme ….

we already have the bow for range and the scepter…

this new spec could improve the scepter for range and the axe for melee range….

Aeolus.3615:

I just hope it isnt a range axe weapon -.- with copy pasta necro spells on it but with a “guardian” theme ….

we already have the bow for range and the scepter…

this new spec could improve the scepter for range and the axe for melee range….

We already have sword, mace, hammer and greatsowrd for melee.

What we lack is a mid-range weapon with cleave, and axe seems to be it.

RabbitUp.8294:

Aeolus.3615:

I just hope it isnt a range axe weapon -.- with copy pasta necro spells on it but with a “guardian” theme ….

we already have the bow for range and the scepter…

this new spec could improve the scepter for range and the axe for melee range….

We already have sword, mace, hammer and greatsowrd for melee.

What we lack is a mid-range weapon with cleave, and axe seems to be it.

more cleave auto spam way for newbs…. thats what made gw2 pvp horrible at first place.

oh wait this is a pve game….

Nice meme.

If you paid attention to the class, you would know that burn guardian needs cleave to trigger Virtue of Justice. And you act like melee axe wouldn’t have cleave, like every melee weapon in the entire game.

PvE in this game is snoresville for me, personally speaking. There’s nothing with cleaving either. Brainlessly ignoring any proper semblance of positioning and stacking on each other might work in PvE, but it won’t in PvP.

I’d rather like it if the axe was ranged personally. I don’t think this profession has any real need to get more melee weapons. Not that melee weapons fit at all with tomes anyway.
Even if the axe just has a ranged resistance symbol that’d be enough to make it different to any other axe (and any other weapon considering that no weapons can apply resistance currently), and it kind of looks like it might be getting said symbol. I highly doubt it’ll be like the necro’s axe considering that the purifier/firebrand seems to be focused on ranged support and conditions.

RabbitUp.8294, thats why gw2 is in this state atm for tits pvp modes… cause that is a design to catter the pve gameplay.

Fashion Mage.3712, i actually forgot the symbols :\
just hope if its a range its easyer to hit than scepter on other players, they took long time to improve that weapon hit rate.

Idk, for the name sound more like a smitting prayer build, i dont see it having a symbol with resistance, maybe when a phalanx/tome is setted up?

Ic it more like a class that will punish buffers and condi spammers than anything else.

https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Scourge_Healing
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Smite_Hex
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Banish
https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Scourge_Enchantment

can u guys imagine a cleave AA, that set target on fire stacked with other condi firebands ?

Aloutgh if its a medium range weapon i would love a pistol^^ rather than a axe…

for some space marine feeling :| pitty that we cant use the f2 wings wit that pistol i guess :<

It has (as far as I can tell) a healing tome and a protection tome; it’s very likely that a large part of this spec will focus on ranged support (unless tomes got kittenized somehow). Judging by the icons on mantras, at least half of them look supportive/defensive as well. Either way, the only other boon the symbol could apply (that isn’t already applied by another symbol) is quickness, and I find that unlikely since it has no ties to conditions.

As for the axe’s auto-attack, it doesn’t look like it attacks with projectiles. The auto-attack looked like it created a spirit weapon-esque axe to attack the target, but the player in the picture did it in fairly close range, so there’s not much way to tell how much range it has.

oh theres already leaks stuff, tough it was mostly speculation so no pistol maybe later

(edit)
So… tomes stuff are in virtues place or at least the 2nd and 3rd virtue.
basicly its a mellee weapon with a bit of extension to 400-(looks like less than 600range)
Maybe f2 and f3 will change the weapon skills, since in the traitline FB is using tome in right hand and torch in offhand.

i fear the new specs dont have place for pvp unless they will be power creep based…

Axe symbol can also have stability or aegis, though like I said before, I would like to see the tomes get a symbol each, especially since they can be balanced more easily for such strong boons and they fit the theme of the tomes perfectly

quickness for F1
resistance for F2
stability for F3

Then axe could get aegis

Aeolus.3615:

oh theres already leaks stuff, tough it was mostly speculation so no pistol maybe later

(edit)
So… tomes stuff are in virtues place or at least the 2nd and 3rd virtue.
basicly its a mellee weapon with a bit of extension to 400-(looks like less than 600range)
Maybe f2 and f3 will change the weapon skills, since in the traitline FB is using tome in right hand and torch in offhand.

3 tomes for 3 virtues.

Leaker says they work like engi kits, which I assume means no CD, though the screenshot showed what looked like an initiative bar, which I assume is tied to the tomes.

I would love a pistol for guardian. Off hand pistol with mobility would be cool.

i would love pistol and offhand sword (as well a mobility class), like a true witch hunter purging enemies, not the fake wich hunter that Anet anounced that traps non existent dragons lol…

well cant wait to have 1 minute resistance :| while in a blob…

Aeolus.3615:

oh theres already leaks stuff, tough it was mostly speculation so no pistol maybe later

(edit)
So… tomes stuff are in virtues place or at least the 2nd and 3rd virtue.
basicly its a mellee weapon with a bit of extension to 400-(looks like less than 600range)
Maybe f2 and f3 will change the weapon skills, since in the traitline FB is using tome in right hand and torch in offhand.

i fear the new specs dont have place for pvp unless they will be power creep based…

Axes are typically 900 range and are often used as throwing weapons. Ranger, necro, and revenant axes are all 900 range, the exception to this is the warrior’s axe. I suppose them being 600 range isn’t out of the realm of possibility though. Take note that the spirit axes in the image don’t necessarily seem connected to the guardian; they may appear in a similar manner to the necro’s axe.

Assuming they’re properly balanced, I don’t see why they wouldn’t appear in PvP. We don’t know any specific details concerning the spec’s axe skills, tome skills, mantras, or traits, so it’s a bit early to be jumping to a conclusion.

If F2 is a healing tome, the spec is pvp meta. It’s not like DH contributed that much to the bunker build, it mostly added some damage utilities, but with a mini Celestial Avatar, and access to better condi pressure, it will get wild.