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Posted by: Kruunch.3714

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Q:

Does Strength in Numbers (Valor IV – Nearby allies gain +30 toughness) proc Altruistic Healing (Valor XI – Applying a boon to allies heals you)?

Sorry if this has been asked and answered previously (I did search for it).

Thanks in advance!

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Posted by: Eveningstar.6940

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A:

No, Strength in Numbers is a static effect, not a boon proc. Altruistic Healing only applies to boons that you apply to yourself, or allies, or both. Might, Swiftness, Retaliation, Vigor, that sort of thing. Passive bonuses you provided to your allies do not activate Altruistic Healing.

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Awesome thanks man!

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Wait … Altruistic Healing procs on Boons that give to yourself only as well?

i.e. Retaliatory Subconscious (Virtues IV) procs Altruistic Healing?

Reading the wiki it appears that it does (but I’m leary of how trait effects translate).

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Altruistic_Healing

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Posted by: Animus.6073

Animus.6073

Yes, self-applied boons proc Altruistic Healing, as well. It really is a wonderfully powerful survival tool if paired with the right builds and weapon sets. Hitting #4 on your staff with Altruistic Healing works wonders, especially if you have nearby allies.

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Posted by: Kruunch.3714

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So if you are running Altruistic Healing … would you gain more use out of Tome of Courage or Renewed Focus?

And yes I’m going off on a tangent here … all sorts of builds just opened themselves up to my eyes

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Posted by: Brutaly.6257

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yes, renewed focus in combination with inspired virtues and altruistic healing, after that you wont complain on renewed focus ever again.

Even though its not as flamboyant as the tomes it is a gamechanger, for you as the guardian, and for the team. Ofc if use right, its more about timing then with the tomes but its good, really good.

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Posted by: Lilbeezy.8134

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I run a DPS build with shouts and because of how much i crit and how many Boons i pass around Altruistic Healing gvies me an kitten LOAD of healing far far more than my Med build did at 2k a med …

In my bunker spec my "Save your self " utility ability is healing me for a total of 5.8k health, but thats also part because SyS gives you Ageist and it is healing me for about 800 Plus the HoT i get heals me for 298 a tick evey sec and all the boons it procs heal me,! And my VoR makes for a very strong 10 sec of Healing per sec of about 550 health per sec i keep up 24/7 so in 4 sec i can heal myself for 2k ……… 2.2k really that sure beats the Med heal build and its a shout so your alli get some extra buffs also

Unlike the Med build.

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Posted by: Eveningstar.6940

Eveningstar.6940

Kruunch,

You’ve just had that light bulb moment. Don’t be frightened. It happens to every Guardian who eventually realizes all the amazing potential behind Altruistic Healing.

For further reading, check out Trungalung and Brutaly’s ongoing discussions on Crithammer and Altruistic Healing synergy.

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I’ve been following the Crithammer discussions although I would think GS would work better with Altruistic Healing and Empower (more chances to crit in a pure AOE build no?)

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Posted by: Lilbeezy.8134

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Yes GS with 20 points in honor and 30 into valor is amazing healing and boon stacking. with II,VIII honor and at least Xi in Valor.

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

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lol I didn’t know that about Altruistic Healing. I was using a mediation build for heals. Need to try a shout build now.

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Posted by: Brutaly.6257

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Shouts isnt a must imo, if you pull hold the line you get 5*72*2 in incoming heals. Yeah thats kind of bad, altruistic builds are all about small portions over time.

The best heal we have is empowering on the staff and symbols that tick boons per second, the second best heal is empowering might and vigorous precision which heals on crit. Virtues if inspired virtue is traited are also better heals then shouts.

I can see an AH build with smite left as a conditionremover/aoe (more crits and heals :-)) in massive battles in wvw.

There are other valid builds built on crits if you are interested. The main healing from altruistic healing isnt from shouts. AH scales really bad which makes it in favor for a toughness/crit/pov builds imo, in other builds its a nice addition but not neccessary.

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

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Does Voice of Pure work with Altruistic Healing?

Voice of Pure: Allies affected by shouts convert one condition to a boon.

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yeah!……………….

rune of dwayna as well, just a pointer if you still want to dps and be very supportive

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

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My dps is fine, not too worried. These are my stats right now. Pretty much balanced across the board.

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Shouts isnt a must imo, if you pull hold the line you get 5*72*2 in incoming heals. Yeah thats kind of bad, altruistic builds are all about small portions over time.

The best heal we have is empowering on the staff and symbols that tick boons per second, the second best heal is empowering might and vigorous precision which heals on crit. Virtues if inspired virtue is traited are also better heals then shouts.

I can see an AH build with smite left as a conditionremover/aoe (more crits and heals :-)) in massive battles in wvw.

There are other valid builds built on crits if you are interested. The main healing from altruistic healing isnt from shouts. AH scales really bad which makes it in favor for a toughness/crit/pov builds imo, in other builds its a nice addition but not neccessary.

Your not getting the shout for the heals that is a nice side effect the shouts are to craft your guardian glass canon build into a great tank with 100% up time on protection and because you got shouts to hold protection down witch will now allow you to sport the Zerker amulet and jewel and be as tank heavy as a soldiers amulet equipped guardian with the crit and crit damage of a glass canon.o now that you have all the extra shouts you are taking Altruistic Healing! and this is what makes ability’s like Empowering might strong!..

you got the zerkers amulet your gonna crit a lot you have about 13oo to 1400 toughness (use Earth rune X6 )
you will get alot of healing from Emp M

And no Virtues don’t heal for more than shout or are goign to make you strong , its nice if you have a bunker build to have the 5 point in that to use it yes. but a a 6 sec pro on a 85 sec cool-down or a 10 sec regin on 57 sec cool-down is gonna be better than
is better than 19 sec of regin with a max of 48 sec cool down
and 17 sec of prot with a max of 48 sec cool-down

this is the build i use. for a dps support guardian build in both Tpvp adn WvW with an elly i gank in 2’s with

http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.3.12.2.0.19.22.22.0.16.54.65.66.67.78.2.2.12.152.0.0.167.0.0.181.189.191.197.203.0.0.0.0.10.10.30.20.0

and i got a few vid of me using this build in Tpvp. also 1 of the vids is me useing my bunker build messing around killing Chief and svan at the same time, my bunker build is close to my dps build mainly a lot more healing and Sanct on and off

http://www.twitch.tv/beezyyall/videos

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Posted by: Brutaly.6257

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My dps is fine, not too worried. These are my stats right now. Pretty much balanced across the board.

with altruistic healing you can definitely have a much more offensive build then that, with a ton of more dps especially since with the right build you crit a lot and crits is one the one best heals you got over time, with vigorous precision and empowering might.

Frankly i never played with so low values in attack, crit, toughness and HP, imo that is a defensive build but im not saying its wrong, its just not my cup of tea.

@lilbeezy
You are preaching to the preacher. Just one thing, knigts infact has higher critrating, more incoming heals, toughness and you can use runes of the soldier for instance which removes condition and then you dont have to use you boons for you but for the team since you can be in the frontline anyway.

The below is ofc in wvw.
And yes virtues is supreme in healing coompared to the shouts. A shout gives 2 boons*AH*5 allies = 10AH in heals, the shout boost 5 persons.

Virtue of justice with inspired virtue traited gives 3 (3might) * AH * x allies and if traited renewed on kill.

Virtue courage gives you 2 boons * Ah * allies and also one AH when on block since you have altruisitc healing, you know might on block.

Virtue of resolve only give you two boons so its on par with the shouts.

Virtues also has greater range then shouts.

Save yourselves gives you 7 boons and nothing to the team so in wvw it only give you 7*AH
The rest of the shouts give you 2*AH*5 and is on par with Virtue of Resolve, retreat also grant might on block so AH-wise retreat is the best shout.

sure you can have 30 points i and get pure of voice and get one more boon on the team and remove one condition that would make the shouts on par with courage and better then resolve and still much worse then virtue of justice.

Add to this that if you have renewed focus then shouts isnt even close but renewed justice also makes the gap huge due to cd and renew on kill.

I dont put 5 points in there for a bunker, i put 5 points in there because it has the same impact as having 4.5 utility slots and and a utility skill with an average cd of 60 which can be renewed by one active skill and by each kill. its great support having 5 points there.

infact having two shouts, hold the line and stand your ground in combination with signet of judgement and inspired virtues is infact more boons on the team and on you then carrying three shouts and not traiting inspired virtues.

If you dont believe me trait inspired virtues, go to cursed shore and get one lonely mob and try it out. You will find that virtue of justice infact is supreme with AH. then go to wvw and check what happen, the difference is huge between the virtues and the shouts.

Btw i also have shouts in my tournebuild, im not saying that they shouldnt be used, just saying healingwise they, virtues, infact do give more heals if traited which was the issue.

Check your numbers, average cd on your shouts and then compare that with average cd on virtues and the number of boons inspired virtue gives you and then you will find that boons thru virtues isnt that bad, infact it adds 1.5 shouts with 60 sec cd without even adding in renewed focus and renewed justice.

Its not one or the other, you can infact have both shouts and traited virtues and still do awesome damage and have awesome tankiness, there are more solutions then yours you know, which btw isnt my cup of tea at all.

Why you are posting bad quality clips when steamrolling pug team (at least based on how bad they were) in tournements is beyond me, i saw nothing i got impressed by or havent seen before.

Conclusion virtus infact do heal for more then shouts.

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Posted by: Kruunch.3714

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I was running AH last night in a 0/10/30/30/0 build using GS/Staff signets / shouts. I had been using GS/ sword + focus previously … I think I like the GS / Staff combo better (although this might change in PvP). Thanks to Animus for pointing that out.

http://www.guildhead.com/skill-calc#mmcV0z0MzmRNvomRNvm0axx0MoVqoRa8khT707khT707khT707kIw70m7kuH7owX70m

The healing was amazingly good (solo’d a champion (melee based) and life never went below 70% … solo’d a vet (melee based) and life never went below 98%). Did Jormag, and kept the raid alive to the tune of +80% by_myself (unfortunately I tested this by not doing anything to see how many would drop without my symbols / shields …. teehee).

Swapped Pure of Heart (Honor VI – Aegis heals on removal) for Writ of Exaltation (Honor III – Symbols are larger) and in group situations it was like night and day (larger symbols ftw).

Next is to try this out in pvp and then dungeons. I think I may switch back to the GS / sword + focus combo for the mobility in PvP but will try both.

I’m also going to mess around with the AH build and Brutaly’s crithammer some more. Thanks a ton to Brutaly (and everyone else) for all the input. It’s been a real eye opener!

P.S. – Mace + focus or mace + shield was excellent but lack of mobility and control made for some rather frustrating kiting situations.

P.P.S. – Not to get embroiled in the virtues vs. shouts debate, but I find that the virtues line would (conceptually) dent my DPS too much. Is this in fact so in your guys’ experience?

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Oh and I did mess with using the virtue cool downs with Renewed Focus. Very good combo (I’ve used this combo before running the AH build and liked it). I’m still on the fence about this setup versus Tome of Courage. My gut feeling is that Tome of Courage (at least for PvE situations) is more game changing for myself and my group then Renewed Focus; while Renewed Focus gets used more than Tome of Courage (especially when solo).

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Oh and one other thing … using a Sigil of Strength (% chance on crit to proc might, no internal cool down) is amazing in this build.

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Posted by: Schroedingercat.7065

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What about boons generated through cross class combos?

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Posted by: Kruunch.3714

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Not sure any combo finisher of the Guardian generates a boon?

But if they did, I’d think of it as more gravy as opposed to integral to the build (considering CDs, timing and opportunity).

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Posted by: Schroedingercat.7065

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and shh… once anet sees we can do proper support we will be nerfed and AH will be given an internal cooldown or a reduced heal coefficient!

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Posted by: Schroedingercat.7065

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kruunch any symbol with a blast combination will proc retaliation (hammer)

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Posted by: Kruunch.3714

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kruunch any symbol with a blast combination will proc retaliation (hammer)

Ah … that’s probably one of the reasons Brutaly loves his crithammer build. Nice synergy!

I’m looking at Sword and Torch as my swap to … I’m really liking the idea of Inner Fire (Radiance IV – When you are set on fire you gain Fury (+20% crit chance)) and Zealot’s Flame (Torch #4 – Set yourself alight, periodically burning up to three nearby foes). Assuming that Zealot’s Flame sets off Inner Fire, which would also proc Altruistic Healing (not to mention the crit bump to Empowering Might).

I’m also missing the extra teleport that Sword gives me (as opposed to what I get with Staff).

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Posted by: Animus.6073

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Unfortunately, at least the last time I checked, Inner Fire is not proc’d by Zealot’s Flame. I think Inner Fire only works if you are actually inflicted with a burning condition.

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Unfortunately, at least the last time I checked, Inner Fire is not proc’d by Zealot’s Flame. I think Inner Fire only works if you are actually inflicted with a burning condition.

Bah!