Guild Wars 2

I’m so fed up with this. We literally have NO mobility, all we have is a puny, pathetic and straight up laughable little dash.

No viable swiftness skills.

The teleport on the sword is also the most worthless thing ever, considering that after you teleport to them they’ll just run away from you and spam /laugh.

The GS 2 which is almost ALL of our damage is also a laughable skill, since you can’t stick on them, so they just port away, when its done they come back and kill you.

And even if you can bring the enemy down to 10% hp, guess what? You still won’t be able to kill him. He’ll either run away from you, dash away from you or just straight up teleport away from you, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

This class is just worthless when it comes to anything but PvE or zerging.

I mean come the kitten on, just look at warriors, they have the LONGEST dash ever, and then guess what? Another dash using the same weapon! Oh and their dashes deal insane damage too, must be nice. Then they swap to hammer or whatever and gets a ccs for days.

So i guess i’m just tired of being kited while not being able to do a single thing about it, i’m tired of people being able to run away all the time.
Like, at least don’t make our damaging skills require the enemy to literally be right next to us for us to do damage, while giving us no skills that would allow us to do so.

I’m just done with this kitten, it’s frustrating and just pure bs. A melee class with no cc, like, did you even logic while making this class?

And just don’t even suggest me running staff or shouts on a medi guardian.

I’m too fed up with this, rolling a guard, rant over.

Sadly, I have to agree with most of what you’re saying here. I feel like a freaking unstoppable beast when in PvE or with a zerg. When I try to solo roam, well, it doesn’t usually end well.

I was playing on my shatter mesmer the other day and ran into a guard solo roaming. I actually felt bad for the guy.

First of all, you need a scepter if you want to roam with a guardian. This is not under discussion: is mandatory. You can -or not- use a greatsword, a hammer or a sword, but without the scepter you will be poked at range to death for a large amount of builds -including other meditation guardian roamers, which can slowly crush you while negating most of you damage just running in circles and spamming scepter #1.

Sword + focus + gs can work well against some builds lacking mobility, but that’s all. If you wan to be viable in roaming you need to use the scepter.

Second point: as a roamer, with a guardian you must accept that you will lack the mobility and stealthy features that make some classes as warriors and thieves much more appealing for the role. They not only are way faster than a guardian -which means that can reach camps and cows much faster than you, a valuable feature for any roamer- but also had a massive advantage in terms of disengage. If a thief or a warrior or a mesmer starts to lose the fight they are usually capable to retreat to either a) recover their cooldowns and effectively reset the match in their own terms, or b) leave the fight to hunt easier preys. You will never have those features. That doesn’t mean that you can’t outfight them. That means just two things:

1) If they want to run, you will not be able to catch them, But the way I see that, any time a foe which initially choses to confront you and then flees away is a victory.
2) You don’t have tricky -and lame- panic buttons to escape from a defeat. No stealth or fancy moves to put miles from your enemies.

Of course stealth and mobility is important when you suddenly face a impossible task -like confronting fights outnumbered-. In that cases disengage tools -which we lack- could be nice. But this is how this class works: we are slow, we oftenly struggle to dissengage, so accept that as a guardian roamers you will face a lot of times fights in unfair conditions and you will die because that. No dishonor in that.

Third: as can be guessed, guardians are one of the worst classes to roam, but still this doesn’t mean that we are unable to do the task. Guardians are one of the finest 1 vs 1 duellist in the game, and we scalate very well in n vs n small skirmishes. What I would suggest you -based in my own experience, is: build your character (skills, traits and gear) to be a stronger fighter, not a faster roamer. IMO usingTraveller runes, shouts as Retreat! or weapons as the staff to gain swiftness are a colossal waste of time. Design your build for the kills. You will never outpace some other clases in terms of mobility. Instead of being a mediocre roadrunner choose to a capable killing machine.

Solo roaming is a PITA with guardian. But if you roam with somebody together it’s a different story.

As Buran said if you roam alone you are somewhat limited to Scepter or you can do gigabursts with for example GS+Hammer+Bane signet but if you don’t oneshot your foe (usually ambushing him/her) they WILL flee. If you roam in pair with somebody who can support you with some CC’s the guardian becomes a freaking’ blast.

And I think this is why we didn’t received any buff to our mobility. If the Guardian was able to keep up with the opponents 1v1 while using GS+Hammer nobody could stop us. At all.

I had an idea a few weeks ago: what if there was another +25% movement speed rune set with more offence than Traveller or Speed. The community tore me apart

If you duo with an ele or mesmer for e.g. you can slot Pack runes and call it a day, movement speed sorted. Or you can still use Pack with staff and swap it for something else before you get to the camp or attack the enemy. I do not like this method that’s why I use Speed runes. 1750 extra HP is not bad. +25% movement and above 60% swiftness uptime in combat just by the rune set itself… Sure you loose some offence but I don’t think the issue with the guardian is the damage. It is the speed. Always was.

Happy guardin’!

Meditation GS + S/F Roaming is viable.

Remember to use Traveller (or Speed) Runes and Sigil of Incompacitation: I put it on my Sword/Scepter.

its easy to roam with sw gs and traveler

Oh boy…
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i hope they buff guardian

Slackoth.2108:

I’m so fed up with this. We literally have NO mobility, all we have is a puny, pathetic and straight up laughable little dash.

No viable swiftness skills.

The teleport on the sword is also the most worthless thing ever, considering that after you teleport to them they’ll just run away from you and spam /laugh.

The GS 2 which is almost ALL of our damage is also a laughable skill, since you can’t stick on them, so they just port away, when its done they come back and kill you.

And even if you can bring the enemy down to 10% hp, guess what? You still won’t be able to kill him. He’ll either run away from you, dash away from you or just straight up teleport away from you, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

This class is just worthless when it comes to anything but PvE or zerging.

I mean come the kitten on, just look at warriors, they have the LONGEST dash ever, and then guess what? Another dash using the same weapon! Oh and their dashes deal insane damage too, must be nice. Then they swap to hammer or whatever and gets a ccs for days.

So i guess i’m just tired of being kited while not being able to do a single thing about it, i’m tired of people being able to run away all the time.
Like, at least don’t make our damaging skills require the enemy to literally be right next to us for us to do damage, while giving us no skills that would allow us to do so.

I’m just done with this kitten, it’s frustrating and just pure bs. A melee class with no cc, like, did you even logic while making this class?

And just don’t even suggest me running staff or shouts on a medi guardian.

I’m too fed up with this, rolling a guard, rant over.

LOL this is most funny thread ever i’ve seen why dont u just l2p?

I main dps/medi guardian and I wreck most of classess so easily dude if u cant land ur whirling blade then u gotta l2p lol

Also traveler runes with Judge’s Intervention solves most of problem.

GS with Hammer or scepter provides enough cc to burst them down within a second.

and btw warriors are ezpz cake to kill 1v1 as medi/dps guardian

MidoriMarch.8067:

Slackoth.2108:

I’m so fed up with this. We literally have NO mobility, all we have is a puny, pathetic and straight up laughable little dash.

No viable swiftness skills.

The teleport on the sword is also the most worthless thing ever, considering that after you teleport to them they’ll just run away from you and spam /laugh.

The GS 2 which is almost ALL of our damage is also a laughable skill, since you can’t stick on them, so they just port away, when its done they come back and kill you.

And even if you can bring the enemy down to 10% hp, guess what? You still won’t be able to kill him. He’ll either run away from you, dash away from you or just straight up teleport away from you, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

This class is just worthless when it comes to anything but PvE or zerging.

I mean come the kitten on, just look at warriors, they have the LONGEST dash ever, and then guess what? Another dash using the same weapon! Oh and their dashes deal insane damage too, must be nice. Then they swap to hammer or whatever and gets a ccs for days.

So i guess i’m just tired of being kited while not being able to do a single thing about it, i’m tired of people being able to run away all the time.
Like, at least don’t make our damaging skills require the enemy to literally be right next to us for us to do damage, while giving us no skills that would allow us to do so.

I’m just done with this kitten, it’s frustrating and just pure bs. A melee class with no cc, like, did you even logic while making this class?

And just don’t even suggest me running staff or shouts on a medi guardian.

I’m too fed up with this, rolling a guard, rant over.

LOL this is most funny thread ever i’ve seen why dont u just l2p?

I main dps/medi guardian and I wreck most of classess so easily dude if u cant land ur whirling blade then u gotta l2p lol

Also traveler runes with Judge’s Intervention solves most of problem.

GS with Hammer or scepter provides enough cc to burst them down within a second.

and btw warriors are ezpz cake to kill 1v1 as medi/dps guardian

OP is still very much in the right when it comes to the Guardian’s mobility. We are the most frustrating roamer class in GW2 and this has nothing to do with skill level. We’re just slow as kitten.

@MidoriMarch.8067
As far mobility goes, that’s an on going issue to all skill levels. All we can do is cope with the tools we have.

• Sword
• Judge’s Intervention
• Scepter
• Trav runes
• “Retreat”
• Great Sword

Those are pretty much all the “mobility” that we have… choose your poison appropriately.

What I will say is that Hybrid/Condi Guardians make great roamer builds. It’s the best roaming 1v1 build in WvW hands down. Especially against classes like Thieves, Ele’s, and Warriors who seem to have the ability to peel for days.

Saiyan.1704:

What I will say is that Hybrid/Condi Guardians make great roamer builds. It’s the best roaming 1v1 build in WvW hands down. Especially against classes like Thieves, Ele’s, and Warriors who seem to have the ability to peel for days.

bias is bias

MidoriMarch.8067:

LOL this is most funny thread ever i’ve seen why dont u just l2p?

I main dps/medi guardian and I wreck most of classess so easily dude if u cant land ur whirling blade then u gotta l2p lol

Also traveler runes with Judge’s Intervention solves most of problem.

GS with Hammer or scepter provides enough cc to burst them down within a second.

and btw warriors are ezpz cake to kill 1v1 as medi/dps guardian

I bet you are just always fighting the BEST players ALL the time.

If you don’t really care about meditations you can get perma swiftness with Retreat and Save Yourselves while having 5 or so points in Virtues for boon duration and 2 in Honor for Superior Aria (80% shout cooldown) and just spamming those.

At least that’s what I do when I’m roaming in open world.

This is a L2p issue. Grab Traveler runes / JI and you’re fine. I roam on GS / Sw:F, GS / Sc:F, Sc:T/Sw:F and my mobility is never an issue. Save your teles/imobs and if you really need to, toss a hydromancy sigil into your build somewhere.

Go play necro for a day if you want to feel slow.

roaming scepter guardian LOOOL

Extreme.8350:

roaming scepter guardian LOOOL

I was going to argue with you about I guess that you were the kind of player which thinks that gs #3, sword #2, hammer #5 and Judge’s Intervention (pick three of the four) is enough to prevent a good player from kitting you at range (is not), or how easily a warrior with a bow can fight you in his own permenent field of flames while outperforming all regenerating a guardian could dream about, or how a necro or a engie can release so many AoE cripples, chills, fears and dazes that all those weapons (mostly useless 2 mts away) wil deal next to no damage and how easily a scepter fixes most of those problems..

Then I saw your historial and became aware that I was wasting my time. I only post this to save time to other readers :) .

yea you keep doing that if i ever die to a roamer guardian you will be the first to know

Extreme.8350:

yea you keep doing that if i ever die to a roamer guardian you will be the first to know

What’s your actual accounts name? Based on your posting history with this one you have been playing this game for like 4 days maximum yet sound like you know something about it

Extreme.8350:

yea you keep doing that if i ever die to a roamer guardian you will be the first to know

Your ignorance amazes me. You’ve just bought the game and you think you know more than we do?

Booms.3952:

Saiyan.1704:

What I will say is that Hybrid/Condi Guardians make great roamer builds. It’s the best roaming 1v1 build in WvW hands down. Especially against classes like Thieves, Ele’s, and Warriors who seem to have the ability to peel for days.

bias is bias

Very :D

I will chime in and say this. This class can indeed roam, there’s just a certain amount of investment you’ll have to put in, in order to achieve desired mobility. This problem was already answered with traveler runes, and our mobility isn’t bad with a GS + S/X combo. I don’t have many problems with my normal build against a large percentage of builds I find roaming (travelers, Gs/S+x) in T1 WvW. The players I will find challenging however are exceptional thief players that run a power based P/D set, exceptional medi guard players(that Meridia and Mino) the kite fest but engaging fights with Mace/Shield GS Warriors(Sanny,Balian), and then there’s the perplexity terrormancers(Choxie) and the Condi Ranger Ebola build(Glado). I can understand you’re flustered OP but to say Guardian is worthless for roaming is entirely untrue.

Also touch up about Burn Guard, I wouldn’t say it’s the best roaming build out there, though for some it just all comes down to preference of playstyle.

Amins.3710:

Meditation GS + S/F Roaming is viable.

Remember to use Traveller (or Speed) Runes and Sigil of Incompacitation: I put it on my Sword/Scepter.

I was just going to say this. I run GS + S/F and it works. Runes of Travel are a must. If you don’t you can try Moa features but those are a bit expensive now. There is also some food you could try or the speed boosts although I’m not sure if the speed boosts are still available.

Sigil of Incapacitation, while I use it, doesn’t seem to get much attention. Maybe because the short duration. I like it but what do I know.

Edit: I will say that trying to duo/havoc with team mates that are using speed, then yes. Running without any of the items I noted does seem like you are going in slow motion and playing catch up. But then again that is no different than if I’m on my Ranger or Necro.

Just have to make choices and maybe it isn’t easier as other classes.

If your just now figuring out that guardian is not fit for roaming & that they have a very hard time vs any enemy that knows how to kite then I guess your new to the class.

Personally I would be fine with losing a tad bit of on demand burst (spread it out a bit) if they gave the guardian a +25% movement speed trait (or signet) and more access to chills/cripples.

Heck I have even suggested in the past a number of traits that a low tier & currently suck that they could rework to give said cripple or chill.

Crapgame.6519:

Amins.3710:

Meditation GS + S/F Roaming is viable.

Remember to use Traveller (or Speed) Runes and Sigil of Incompacitation: I put it on my Sword/Scepter.

I was just going to say this. I run GS + S/F and it works. Runes of Travel are a must. If you don’t you can try Moa features but those are a bit expensive now. There is also some food you could try or the speed boosts although I’m not sure if the speed boosts are still available.

Sigil of Incapacitation, while I use it, doesn’t seem to get much attention. Maybe because the short duration. I like it but what do I know.

Edit: I will say that trying to duo/havoc with team mates that are using speed, then yes. Running without any of the items I noted does seem like you are going in slow motion and playing catch up. But then again that is no different than if I’m on my Ranger or Necro.

Just have to make choices and maybe it isn’t easier as other classes.

Ranger has ready access to a + movement speed signet however & it’s ranged attacks more then make up for the lack of swiftness, (which can be granted by pets)

Necro, well ya it is rather slow but with traveler rune or the right mix of spectral walk etc… it can get some run speed. Combine that with it’s abundance of chills & cripples and what you end up with is perma slowed enemies.

Guardian on the other hand just cannot roam and against a skilled kiter it’s screwed.

I’m still a very new player so I don’t know much. Don’t have much pvp experience either. But wouldn’t runes that extend boon duration help to sprint longer? What about food or other things that gain swiftness?

Perhaps it’s better to make them chase you at first using the8r speed skills and then cut them down while that’s on cooldown. Then again, they must be dumb to do that in the firs place, right?

The scepter actually sounds very viable, providing you close that gap in 2 seconds and ward your opponent in with a hammer. Bit will you still have enough damge to finish the job?

Interested in this because I like to learn. With greatsword you can perhaps chain him and then pull him in when he starts to run. If you have a fair amount of primary attributes changing traits for boon duration/condition damage/decreased weapon swop cooldown might help.

Aren’t any of the elite skills viable for extra spells that might be benificial?

Slackoth.2108:

I’m so fed up with this. We literally have NO mobility, all we have is a puny, pathetic and straight up laughable little dash.

No viable swiftness skills.

The teleport on the sword is also the most worthless thing ever, considering that after you teleport to them they’ll just run away from you and spam /laugh.

The GS 2 which is almost ALL of our damage is also a laughable skill, since you can’t stick on them, so they just port away, when its done they come back and kill you.

And even if you can bring the enemy down to 10% hp, guess what? You still won’t be able to kill him. He’ll either run away from you, dash away from you or just straight up teleport away from you, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

This class is just worthless when it comes to anything but PvE or zerging.

I mean come the kitten on, just look at warriors, they have the LONGEST dash ever, and then guess what? Another dash using the same weapon! Oh and their dashes deal insane damage too, must be nice. Then they swap to hammer or whatever and gets a ccs for days.

So i guess i’m just tired of being kited while not being able to do a single thing about it, i’m tired of people being able to run away all the time.
Like, at least don’t make our damaging skills require the enemy to literally be right next to us for us to do damage, while giving us no skills that would allow us to do so.

I’m just done with this kitten, it’s frustrating and just pure bs. A melee class with no cc, like, did you even logic while making this class?

And just don’t even suggest me running staff or shouts on a medi guardian.

I’m too fed up with this, rolling a guard, rant over.

This sounds like a l2p issue.

We have 3 gap closers and perma swift if specced, just sad to read your QQ posts.

He’s a troll btw.

I feel like the people saying “l2p” are probably low skill players on low skill servers.

Black Box.9312:

I feel like the people saying “l2p” are probably low skill players on low skill servers.

thats what you are to me and I think people who cant make guardian work in roaming should l2p

Booms.3952:

Black Box.9312:

I feel like the people saying “l2p” are probably low skill players on low skill servers.

thats what you are to me and I think people who cant make guardian work in roaming should l2p

You can make it work, but it’s not good at it. Hardly a l2p issue.

And for the record, I don’t give two kittens what you think of me. No thanks to that bait.

Black Box.9312:

Booms.3952:

Black Box.9312:

I feel like the people saying “l2p” are probably low skill players on low skill servers.

thats what you are to me and I think people who cant make guardian work in roaming should l2p

You can make it work, but it’s not good at it. Hardly a l2p issue.

And for the record, I don’t give two kittens what you think of me. No thanks to that bait.

how isnt it good?

The problem is the guardian lacks spamable cripples/chill that every other class capable of melee has access to.

So sure you can occasionally close the gap, but if your fighting a person who knows how to create distance & kite your chances of a win go down the toilet.

And while you can grab sigils & a trait that give access to some cripple/chill getting them severely reduces your damage potential.

So it’s a situation where your screwed if you do & screwed if you don’t.

At least the guardian wrecks melee & those too stupid to kite.

It’s possible to roam on Guardian. As others have said it isn’t not the best in terms of mobility but at least it’s not Necromancer.

As for fights it depends who you fight. Condi specs played by good players will defeat you most of the time. Against other power builds you should have a decent shot.

So yeah, it’s definitely possible to roam on Guardian but it’s not the best at it. Either find a roaming buddy that you can sync bursts with or try another profession if you want to run something better.

I don’t understand why people don’t just carry a spare staff to spam swiftness with, like what’s wrong with you guys? If you run a 2h, keep your inventory minimized as much as possible so you could quickly swap weapons. Hell, if you do this, you could even start the fight with 12 stacks of might, which is usually a deal closer vs all these full zerk “geniuses”. With all the damage mitigation and healing we have (if you run around traited for medis), giving us mobility comparable to that of a warrior’s or a theif’s would be gamebreaking.

TL;DR Run with a spare staff you hobos.

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Could this do a decent job?

None of that build makes sense. You have high symbol uptime, but the only way you’d be able to drop a symbol is through hammer’s incredibly slow auto. You chose shimmering defense over the boon strip (sword auto procs voj every time meaning a boon strip every 3-4 sword auto rotations). You don’t really need bane signet and signet of resolve is far too easy to interrupt. Tome of wrath is cool, but you’ll get wrecked in a 1v1. SW/S is cool, but I’m against sword in general tbh. In short, those traits/utilities need to be scrapped and replaced.