Guild Wars 2

Hi,

Power of the Virtuous: from 1% up to 2% again.

Indomitable Courage merged with Shielded Mind (Still called Shielded Mind, grandmaster trait)

Retaliatory Subconscious merged with Vengeful (Still called Retaliatory Subconscious, adept trait)

Permeating Wrath merged with Supreme Justice (Still called Supreme Justice, master trait)

Elite Focus: Elite Skillst last longer and recharge 20% faster, master trait.

Unscathed Contender: Deal 20% more damage while under the effects of aegis. Aegis now stacks up to 3 times (which means up to 3 blocks, if you can provide 3x aegis ofc), master trait.

New Grandmaster Trait: Master of Virtues: All your Virtues recharge 20% faster.

I aim to create diversity for the Guardian Virtue line and I hope it gets used more often. The Virtues of the Guardian are his trademark, but atm they are really underused and not really that gamechanging.

Added a 4th Virtue (Virtue of Defiance):
Passive: If you get hit by a melee attack your attacker and nearby foes get weakness for 5 seconds (30 seconds cooldown)
Active: You and your allies inflict Chilling on the next attack (3 seconds) (Virtue recharge 50 seconds)
Inspired Virtue’s minor trait adds Vigor for 5 seconds.

Added new traits for this Virtue:
Defiant: Virtue of Defiance’s Passive effect also adds 5 seconds of retaliation to you when triggered, Virtue of Defiance’s Passive effect now triggers every 20 seconds, adept trait.
Offence is the best defence: Virtue of Defiance’s active effect also adds 5 seconds of weakness for your foes. Add fury (5 seconds) to you and nearby allies when you activate Virtue of Defiance, master trait.

What are your ideas for a 4th virtue for the guardian? Currently we have 1 offensive support and 2 defensive support virtue, with the 4th one I wanted to go for a more controll support oriented virtue.

This would pretty much make 30 in Virtues a requirement for everyone. The only thing I can agree with right now is the increase from 1 to 2% bonus damage per boon for Power of the Virtuous, especially with as much boon ripping/stealing/hate as there is these days.

Were I to change Virtues, I’d go for:

Power of the Virtuous: 2% per boon

Permeating Wrath: Center the aoe around your target (or whomever procs VoJ) and apply the effect to VoJ active as well.

After that, I’d probably move the poorly, but straightforward named Improved Spirit Weapon Duration and integrate it into one of the other spirit weapon traits (likely in Zeal). I’d like to consolidate the consecration traits without leaving that one trait too loaded, and I’d like to do a little with Retaliatory Subconscious and Vengeful, but I haven’t fleshed out too many ideas, nor ideas for the traits that would fill in the spots that consolidation would bring.

PotV and PW changes only would be perfectly fine though, considering their status and trade-offs.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

This would pretty much make 30 in Virtues a requirement for everyone.

its not a must i’d say, AH is still strong, pure of voice is still strong – you have alot of options. it’s not like arcana trait tree from the ele where you HAVE to put ATLEAST 20 points into.

Definately need a buff to Power of the Virtous. I’d even go further and say a 3% is needed.

I do agree with your thinking of a fourth virtues. What you have in mind sounds interesting, but I’m not sure about how that would fit in the class theme.

I also think Unscathed Contender needs changing as well, but not what you propose. It’d be overpowered then. A replacement would be good that supports an offensive trait. Maybe for each trait on passive, gain a 3% damage increase. Or maybe give additional buffs similar to the 5 and 25 Virtues traits. Actually, the more I think the more I like the additional buffs trait idea. It would compliment the 5 Virtues.

The rest, I’m not so sure I agree with.

Lonewolf Kai.3682:

I also think Unscathed Contender needs changing as well, but not what you propose. It’d be overpowered then.

I edited it to be able to stack up to 3 times, maybe “better” now

What irks me the most about Virtues is extreme inconsistency between them:
1. Extreme cooldown disparity.
2. There is no actual 10 points major trait that can directly affect any of them.
3.
a. Virtue of Justice – 30 seconds base recharge (21 traited), can be upgraded by 4 minor traits and 2 major traits with an option to be instantly recharged, its synergy trait line is Radiance.
b. Virtue of Resolve – 60 seconds base recharge (42 traited), can be upgraded by 2 minor traits and 2 major traits with an option to be instantly recharged, its synergy trait line is Honor.
c. Virtue of Courage – 90 seconds base recharge (63 traited), can be upgraded by 3 minor traits and 2 major traits with an option to be instantly recharged, its synergy trait line is Valor.

I don’t know what was the original lidea behind virtues, but with current setup we can fully upgrade only one of them and most of the time it’s Virtue of Justice that gets the spotlight because of reasons mentioned in point 3.a. It’s simply superior in every way to the other two in offense, defense and party support.

In order to fix this we would need a set of major traits in Virtue lane that would allow us to upgrade all of them at the same time instead of one or two like merging all improvements to passive effects into one, improvements to active effects into another, an additional boon per virtue in a third one, etc.
After that fix the disparity in their synergy trait lines like Virtue of Resolve not having an instant recharge minor trait in Honor and so.

I don’t really get why Battle Presence is not the grandmaster trait at the top of this tree.

The traits to buff single virtues is kinda lame. Would love to see

- Using virtues Removes 1 or 2 Conditions
- Using virtues grants protection and/or regen

- Using Virtue of ???, either courage or resolve, transfers 2 conditions to your target – this might make you a bit of a counter-caster

- I can not see why there is not a trait to also increase boon duration 15 or 20% in the tree somewhere

The whole Idea behind these is to give some options to people who want to hybrid. Everyone I know or see in WvW is running shouts and Honor for good reason. It would be nice to get some more options. This would make virtues very powerful for someone who wants to be a group support and allow you to spec into some damage trees instead of Honor. In fact, Honor would be kind of redundant if you went virtues. Then you might not have to run shouts any more, the Valor meditations would be that much better.