Virtue of Justice is getting gutted
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Just give up ppl will defend this new elite specialization untill that beta test in 2 weeks, then you will see rage and tears on this subforum. Remember my words.
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Thats the VoJ tooltip when u spec to Firebrand. VoJ changes depending on what specializations and traits you have on. When u go DH it changes/swaps its skill tooltip from core tooltip to DH. What you see in those screenshots is Voj changed/swaped from core tooltip to Firebrand tooltip. Doesnt mean core tooltip is changed from 4sec to 1.5.
Altho that said i think we can expect some nerfs and cd’s to our burn applications now that condi firebrand is here. It is going to be a condi bursting monstrosity of a class.
it makes sense ;\ …. people will need to buy the new toys, it even shadows the DH…
For some reason it feels that this new spec will be even more dps’er than DH, Dh w/o traps power creep momment is a free kill lol… and DH is awfully designed.
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We need to let go of just using core classes and tryin to make them viable.
Its the 2CORE+1ELITE specs ERA finaly! This expansion openes up crazy good build diversity. I can already see 4 incredibly strong builds for guardian in spvp all pushing for meta title. Symbolic DH, Medi DH, Quickness support FB, Condi FB and more. Firebrand farts quickness and stabilty and stun breaks and condi clenses left and right. Its gonna be an amazing teamfighter.
Thats the VoJ tooltip when u spec to Firebrand. VoJ changes depending on what specializations and traits you have on. When u go DH it changes/swaps its skill tooltip from core tooltip to DH. What you see in those screenshots is Voj changed/swaped from core tooltip to Firebrand tooltip. Doesnt mean core tooltip is changed from 4sec to 1.5.
Altho that said i think we can expect some nerfs and cd’s to our burn applications now that condi firebrand is here. It is going to be a condi bursting monstrosity of a class.
The passive portion of VoJ is not affected by specializations. DH burns for 4s in pvp, it’s just that the tooltip wasn’t updated when they buffed it.
And no, it doesn’t make sense to nerf the identity of the class to ship replacement buffs behind a paywall.
Thats the VoJ tooltip when u spec to Firebrand. VoJ changes depending on what specializations and traits you have on. When u go DH it changes/swaps its skill tooltip from core tooltip to DH. What you see in those screenshots is Voj changed/swaped from core tooltip to Firebrand tooltip. Doesnt mean core tooltip is changed from 4sec to 1.5.
Altho that said i think we can expect some nerfs and cd’s to our burn applications now that condi firebrand is here. It is going to be a condi bursting monstrosity of a class.
The passive portion of VoJ is not affected by specializations. DH burns for 4s in pvp, it’s just that the tooltip wasn’t updated when they buffed it.
And no, it doesn’t make sense to nerf the identity of the class to ship replacement buffs behind a paywall.
We still are looking at a Firebrand F1 tooltip. Does NOT mean Core F1 is affected.
Ofcourse it makes sense to make Firebrand F1 passive last 1.5 sec if u look at the other traits and new weapon condi application. Its a mather of balance not money. FB has really good condi cover and burn applications. If you dont see this then im srry :/
Firebrand will be weaker at range and less blocks so DH is still strong there.
/edit DH also has 3 unblockable attacks and a big spike combo thats hard to avoid for most classes
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Can anyone actually read/post the F1 ability? I can barely read out the 1.5 burn duration :/
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Oh nvm… It just says pull forth a magical tomb lol. Thought it said something else towards the end.
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The better question is…. why would you want to try and play condi guardian without firebrand?
Even if this change to justice was universal, (which it might not be… firebrand has access to so much burning, and with the GM trait that makes virtue passives remain active while their respective tomes are out, having a 4 second passive burn on every 5th hit would be nuts) firebrand is already seriously outclassing any other guardian option for condition damage, considering it’s access to bleeds and AE condi with one of it’s mantras.
Apparently people have a hard time reading. Tome of Justice =/= Virtue of Justice
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Apparently people have a hard time reading. Tome of Justice =/= Virtue of Justice
The virtue passives don’t change.
Just give up ppl will defend this new elite specialization untill that beta test in 2 weeks, then you will see rage and tears on this subforum. Remember my words.
Oh noez, what a surprise that people will wait for the final verdict until they actually play-tested the spec! Call the news agencies because nobody should miss this gamebreaking information!!!!!!!
Before complaining, let’s wait and see how the new spec is. This change might only affect Firebrand. And if this affects only Firebrand, how bad it is, considering the spec also have new ways to apply burn. Maybe the spec has higher burning potential, but the passive VoJ becomes worthless, then you’ll need a new way to play with a burn build on the spec.
Also, they might balance after the launch if it is too weak, like they did with DH, which was the weakest spec on the traits.
If it doesn’t make sense or isn’t balanced enough, then we complain about the problems. I myself don’t have high expectation, but let’s wait to see.
Sorry for my english.
You thought you could play condi without Firebrand? Think again.
VoJ passive down to 1.5 sec of burning. Reminder that it was 4s in pvp.
I don’t see the problem here, especially if Firebrand is already an intentionally strong Condi spec. Let’s not pretend that we have a plethora of builds all doing the same thing to give us diversity; that’s not how GW2 works ever.
If the new condi spec meta is Firebrand, then the people that want to optimize condi play will use it. If the old Guardian core spec is still the better condi damage spec, then they will use that, though I hardly see that happening.
I mean, you have a flawed reasoning in the first place; people don’t play ‘whatever they want’ when they optimize a build in the first place … those that do couldn’t give a rat’s behind about their performance otherwise.
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Apparently people have a hard time reading. Tome of Justice =/= Virtue of Justice
The virtue passives don’t change.
Just because it didn’t change with Dragonhunter, does NOT mean it doesn’t change with Firebrand. The active benefit for Firebrand is FAR more potent than the active portion of Core or Dragonhunter. To keep the Elite spec even remotely in line with Core and Dragonhunter in power level, it’s only logical that the passive would take a cut. Quite honestly I was fully prepared to see the passive virtues cut out entirely from Firebrand.
Please stop assuming I’m a guy… I am female.
Quite honestly I was fully prepared to see the passive virtues cut out entirely from Firebrand.
If the core trait lines only effected the actives and not passives as well, that would probably be true but since core lines affect the passives, you can’t cut them ever.
You thought you could play condi without Firebrand? Think again.
VoJ passive down to 1.5 sec of burning. Reminder that it was 4s in pvp.
I don’t see the problem here, especially if Firebrand is already an intentionally strong Condi spec. Let’s not pretend that we have a plethora of builds all doing the same thing to give us diversity; that’s not how GW2 works ever.
If the new condi spec meta is Firebrand, then the people that want to optimize condi play will use it. If the old Guardian core spec is still the better condi damage spec, then they will use that, though I hardly see that happening.
I mean, you have a flawed reasoning in the first place; people don’t play ‘whatever they want’ when they optimize a build in the first place … those that do couldn’t give a rat’s behind about their performance otherwise.
It’s not about playing what you want. It’s about gutting the base class when it was already weak to put the condi build behind the new paywall.
Meanwhile, revenant, ele, ranger, thief all got BUFFS to the point that their condi builds are top meta, not the 29k joke guardian is, and the first 3 of them are getting a condi spec on top of it.
Guardian is getting a 25% reduction to their condi output. But no wonder you are defending this, this community is half the reason guardian is the joke class.
Apparently people have a hard time reading. Tome of Justice =/= Virtue of Justice
The virtue passives don’t change.
Just because it didn’t change with Dragonhunter, does NOT mean it doesn’t change with Firebrand. The active benefit for Firebrand is FAR more potent than the active portion of Core or Dragonhunter. To keep the Elite spec even remotely in line with Core and Dragonhunter in power level, it’s only logical that the passive would take a cut. Quite honestly I was fully prepared to see the passive virtues cut out entirely from Firebrand.
The other 2 Firebrand passives are the same. Only VoJ is different. Keep thinking this is not a change to the base VoJ.
First of all, if you look at the damage its not even a nerf at all
Secondly, we do not know if tome of justice has a pvp version and we only see the pve one in the tool tip
Third, the specs aren’t released. People have found conflicting concepts in other traits/skills that may need to be polished a bit.
Current :
Burning (Passive Effect) (4s): 524 Damage
Tooltip in screenshot :
Burning (Passive Effect) (1 1/2s): 541 Damage
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First of all, if you look at the damage its not even a nerf at all
Secondly, we do not know if tome of justice has a pvp version and we only see the pve one in the tool tip
Third, the specs aren’t released. People have found conflicting concepts in other traits/skills that may need to be polished a bit.Current :
Burning (Passive Effect) (4s): 524 DamageTooltip in screenshot :
Burning (Passive Effect) (1 1/2s): 541 Damage
I posted this but deleted it for whatever dumb reason I had last night.
If anything that is a straight up buff. Quick burns are super deadly.
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First of all, if you look at the damage its not even a nerf at all
Secondly, we do not know if tome of justice has a pvp version and we only see the pve one in the tool tip
Third, the specs aren’t released. People have found conflicting concepts in other traits/skills that may need to be polished a bit.Current :
Burning (Passive Effect) (4s): 524 DamageTooltip in screenshot :
Burning (Passive Effect) (1 1/2s): 541 Damage
The tooltip is pulled from pvp, all elite spec testing that streamers did was done in the pvp lobby. And I’m not even focusing on the pvp change, I said this is a 25% reduction, if I’m to take pvp into consideration, it’s downright depressing.
Second, condi damage is standardized, so there’s no such thing as a high damaging burn, only duration and stacks.
Unless there’s a gamewide change to burning, it just means that Aurora Peachy was running some condi damage in her build.
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You thought you could play condi without Firebrand? Think again.
VoJ passive down to 1.5 sec of burning. Reminder that it was 4s in pvp.
I don’t see the problem here, especially if Firebrand is already an intentionally strong Condi spec. Let’s not pretend that we have a plethora of builds all doing the same thing to give us diversity; that’s not how GW2 works ever.
If the new condi spec meta is Firebrand, then the people that want to optimize condi play will use it. If the old Guardian core spec is still the better condi damage spec, then they will use that, though I hardly see that happening.
I mean, you have a flawed reasoning in the first place; people don’t play ‘whatever they want’ when they optimize a build in the first place … those that do couldn’t give a rat’s behind about their performance otherwise.
It’s not about playing what you want. It’s about gutting the base class when it was already weak to put the condi build behind the new paywall.
Meanwhile, revenant, ele, ranger, thief all got BUFFS to the point that their condi builds are top meta, not the 29k joke guardian is, and the first 3 of them are getting a condi spec on top of it.
Guardian is getting a 25% reduction to their condi output. But no wonder you are defending this, this community is half the reason guardian is the joke class.
Apparently people have a hard time reading. Tome of Justice =/= Virtue of Justice
The virtue passives don’t change.
Just because it didn’t change with Dragonhunter, does NOT mean it doesn’t change with Firebrand. The active benefit for Firebrand is FAR more potent than the active portion of Core or Dragonhunter. To keep the Elite spec even remotely in line with Core and Dragonhunter in power level, it’s only logical that the passive would take a cut. Quite honestly I was fully prepared to see the passive virtues cut out entirely from Firebrand.
The other 2 Firebrand passives are the same. Only VoJ is different. Keep thinking this is not a change to the base VoJ.
The base class is gutted because of some duration of burning removed from passive VoJ? That shows a pretty strong lack of understanding of how condi Guardian works. No wonder you’re complaining. Guardian is NOT getting a 25% reduction in their condi, only passive VOJ is. A condi Guardian relies on much more than passive VOJ for it’s damage output.
You thought you could play condi without Firebrand? Think again.
VoJ passive down to 1.5 sec of burning. Reminder that it was 4s in pvp.
I don’t see the problem here, especially if Firebrand is already an intentionally strong Condi spec. Let’s not pretend that we have a plethora of builds all doing the same thing to give us diversity; that’s not how GW2 works ever.
If the new condi spec meta is Firebrand, then the people that want to optimize condi play will use it. If the old Guardian core spec is still the better condi damage spec, then they will use that, though I hardly see that happening.
I mean, you have a flawed reasoning in the first place; people don’t play ‘whatever they want’ when they optimize a build in the first place … those that do couldn’t give a rat’s behind about their performance otherwise.
It’s not about playing what you want. It’s about gutting the base class when it was already weak to put the condi build behind the new paywall.
Meanwhile, revenant, ele, ranger, thief all got BUFFS to the point that their condi builds are top meta, not the 29k joke guardian is, and the first 3 of them are getting a condi spec on top of it.
Guardian is getting a 25% reduction to their condi output. But no wonder you are defending this, this community is half the reason guardian is the joke class.
Apparently people have a hard time reading. Tome of Justice =/= Virtue of Justice
The virtue passives don’t change.
Just because it didn’t change with Dragonhunter, does NOT mean it doesn’t change with Firebrand. The active benefit for Firebrand is FAR more potent than the active portion of Core or Dragonhunter. To keep the Elite spec even remotely in line with Core and Dragonhunter in power level, it’s only logical that the passive would take a cut. Quite honestly I was fully prepared to see the passive virtues cut out entirely from Firebrand.
The other 2 Firebrand passives are the same. Only VoJ is different. Keep thinking this is not a change to the base VoJ.
The base class is gutted because of some duration of burning removed from passive VoJ? That shows a pretty strong lack of understanding of how condi Guardian works. No wonder you’re complaining. Guardian is NOT getting a 25% reduction in their condi, only passive VOJ is. A condi Guardian relies on much more than passive VOJ for it’s damage output.
PvE condi is all about VoJ. The only other sources of burning are Torch #4 and Purging Flames, and the rarely used spirit weapon.
It is also another nerf to power dps, on top of the nerf of Toxic Sharpening Stone, since VoJ’s burning is a small but noticeable portion of that build’s damage.
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Maybe for you it is, and anyone else that wants bad condi damage. For everyone else that wants to maximize their condi damage, PVe condi is so much more than passive VoJ.
It doesn’t matter anyways … I’ve already explained how this game works; people that want to maximize condi output will take whatever they need to do that. It’s quite irrelevant if passive VOJ changes.
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Nice counterargument. Prove me wrong with numbers, not empty words.
Even if VoJ was half of guardian’s condi output, that’s still more than 10% less damage on the build that was weak to begin with. VoJ should have been buffed, not nerfed.
But the guardian community is what it is, it’s only natural the class reflects it.
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It’s a perfectly valid counterargument; I don’t see how passive VOJ is even relevant to a condi build based on what I see in Firebrand … The whole idea that anyone should even care about how this change will affect second-rate condi builds is ridiculous in the first place; again, as I’ve already said, if you play second-rate builds, you don’t care about your performance to this degree in the first place.
It’s you that doesn’t have a strong premise; your whole argument is based on the premise that people that play second-rate builds care about their damage more than what they care about what weapon they use or some fancy shinies on the screen when they wave a sword. Minmaxers simply take the best of what the class offers, regardless of what those skills or weapons are.
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God, you are so detached from reality. There is no first-rate build, firebrand is not in the game, wake up.
This second-rate build you are moking is all guardian has.
We are losing base class strength that can be used with Dragonhunter and future elite specs in favour of one specific elite spec. Yes, firebrand will be used if it’s the best condi dps, but the class as a whole will be weaker.
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A. This is the tooltip AFTER you spec into firebrand. I honestly dont see what does it say about play without Firebrand.
True, we can expect some balance changes and it might affect vanilla VoJ, but this isn’t it pal.
You thought you could play condi without Firebrand
Honest to god I just cannot seem to grasp what the hell do you people want anymore. WHY, dear god, WHY would you possibly try to run a condi spec without Firebrand if Fireband is an INTENDED condi spec?
Would you try running a healer ranger without Druid? would you play Auramancer without tempest? would you play Bruiser necro without Reaper?
What is it that you want?!
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Bala Rama [Herald]
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So you’re going to insult me because Firebrand isn’t in the game yet … but you’re complaining about a game change that isn’t in the game yet either… but that’s perfectly awesome and reasonable in your mind … GG.
The fact is that this change will be completely irrelevant once you get a superior condition build, which is what Firebrand appears to be. You’re making mountains from molehills here. I can’t seriously wrap my head around the idea that you are complaining about condi damage for builds that will be substandard condi builds in the future anyways. That’s just … complaining for the sake of complaining.
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A. This is the tooltip AFTER you spec into firebrand. I honestly dont see what does it say about play without Firebrand.
True, we can expect some balance changes and it might affect vanilla VoJ, but this isn’t it pal.You thought you could play condi without Firebrand
Honest to god I just cannot seem to grasp what the hell do you people want anymore. WHY, dear god, WHY would you possibly try to run a condi spec without Firebrand if Fireband is an INTENDED condi spec?
Would you try running a healer ranger without Druid? would you play Auramancer without tempest? would you play Bruiser necro without Reaper?
What is it that you want?!
Those classes weren’t nerfed so their specs could have a role. Some of them were BUFFED so the spec would have a strong foundation to build on. Look at the rework Revenant got in preperation for the condi spec, look at the condi buffs ele got that tempest is a top dps condi build even before Weaver is released.
And what guardian gets in preperation for firebrand? Nerfs.
And what guardian gets in preperation for firebrand?
NerfsI don’t know, neither the balance patch nor the expansion has dropped yet
Fixed.
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Bala Rama [Herald]
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Bala Rama [Herald]
A. This is the tooltip AFTER you spec into firebrand. I honestly dont see what does it say about play without Firebrand.
True, we can expect some balance changes and it might affect vanilla VoJ, but this isn’t it pal.You thought you could play condi without Firebrand
Honest to god I just cannot seem to grasp what the hell do you people want anymore. WHY, dear god, WHY would you possibly try to run a condi spec without Firebrand if Fireband is an INTENDED condi spec?
Would you try running a healer ranger without Druid? would you play Auramancer without tempest? would you play Bruiser necro without Reaper?
What is it that you want?!Those classes weren’t nerfed so their specs could have a role. Some of them were BUFFED so the spec would have a strong foundation to build on. Look at the rework Revenant got in preperation for the condi spec, look at the condi buffs ele got that tempest is a top dps condi build even before Weaver is released.
And what guardian gets in preperation for firebrand? Nerfs.
… and that nerf isn’t relevant if Firebrand becomes THE superior performing condi build for Guardians. So you’re point is that Guardian is getting a nerf and you don’t like it. OK. we’ve seen that before … so what?
So you’re going to insult me because Firebrand isn’t in the game yet … but you’re complaining about a game change that isn’t in the game yet either… but that’s perfectly awesome and reasonable in your mind … GG.
The fact is that this change will be completely irrelevant once you get a superior condition build, which is what Firebrand appears to be. You’re making mountains from molehills here. I can’t seriously wrap my head around the idea that you are complaining about condi damage for builds that will be substandard condi builds in the future anyways. That’s just … complaining for the sake of complaining.
Firebrand is not replacing guardian. Is this that hard to wrap your head around?
Firebrand might be the intented condi dps, but the price we pay is that it will be impossible to play condi outside of firebrand. Dragonhunter didn’t come with nerfs to the class because DH is the better power build.
And if the devs can’t design a condi build with VoJ in mind, they just show themselves to be the talentless hacks they really are.
Firebrand is not replacing guardian. Is this that hard to wrap your head around?
Firebrand might be the intented condi dps, but the price we pay is that it will be impossible to play condi outside of firebrand.
What’s hard for me to get my head around is that you think I said Firebrand replaces Guardian … I didn’t say that. I said that if Firebrand becomes the optimal condi build, then that’s what people will use that care about optimizing their condi damage.
The price we pay is that other condi builds aren’t as good? Who cares? … again, your complaint makes no sense in a game where there is typically only one optimal build for power or condi damage. This isn’t a new concept. Don’t pretend that we are losing some kind of vast diversity in condition builds because of this VOJ change … that’s a fallacy. The people that care will take whatever build is optimal. The people that go for style instead of performance won’t even notice.
Firebrand is not replacing guardian. Is this that hard to wrap your head around?
Firebrand might be the intented condi dps, but the price we pay is that it will be impossible to play condi outside of firebrand.
What’s hard for me to get my head around is that you think I said Firebrand replaces Guardian … I didn’t say that. I said that if Firebrand becomes the optimal condi build, then that’s what people will use that care about their condi damage.
The price we pay is that other condi builds aren’t as good? Who cares? … again, your complaint makes no sense in a game where there are optimal builds for power and condi damage. This isn’t a new concept. Don’t pretend that we are losing some kind of vast diversity in condition builds because of this VOJ change … that’s a fallacy. The people that care will take whatever build is optimal. The people that go for style instead of performance won’t even notice.
Because it’s not about building the optimal condi dps build. It’s about being able to play a condi build at all. Not everything is optimised dps, there are hybrid builds, too, that might emerge with our existing and future elite specs. A nerf to VoJ closes the door to everything but firebrand.
Condi druid is not the optimal condi build, condi ranger is, but it’s still played. Why? Because you can make it work and still have druid’s supportive aspects. You are support first and foremost, but you squeeze in some damage because you can afford it.
Guardian already struggles pulling a condi build together, but now it’s completely out of question, power builds outside of firebrand will always outperform condi builds.
I dont get it why you argue, firebrand is melee condi brawler with 300 range mantras but someone forgot about guardian being slowest proffesion in the game, such irony. F1 F2 nor F3 will make them faster nor facetank other classes when you cast that axe2 symbol yor enemy will be long gone. Guy who does balance and innovations for guardians clearly know nothing about his class , heck even core guardian mess of traits prove this right. Saddly ppl defending this new elite spec cause they know how guardian is messed up with his only 2 viable choices to play so they praise every new (bad) thing regarding this joke class. Truth will be revealed in 2 weeks, so prepare your napkins for big rain of tears.
Because it’s not about building the optimal condi build. It’s about being able to play a condi build at all. Not everything is optimised dps, there are hybrid builds, too, that might emerge with our existing and future elite specs. A nerf to VoJ closes the door to everything but firebrand.
People that want to play suboptimal builds are not excluded from playing them because of changes to the game, so no, they are still able to play those builds you say they can’t play at all. Don’t be sensational.
If it’s not about playing the optimal condi build as you say, then how does a 1/2 second reduction in passive VOJ prevent you from playing non-optimal condi or hybrid builds? That makes no sense. Why would even care if your damage is decreased if you are already choosing to play builds that aren’t optimized for whatever kind of damage you want to apply?
Because it’s not about building the optimal condi build. It’s about being able to play a condi build at all. Not everything is optimised dps, there are hybrid builds, too, that might emerge with our existing and future elite specs. A nerf to VoJ closes the door to everything but firebrand.
People that want to play suboptimal builds are not excluded from playing them because of changes to the game. If it’s not about playing the optimal condi build as you say, then how does a 1/2 second reduction in passive VOJ prevent you from playing non-optimal condi or hybrid builds? That makes no sense. Why would even care if your damage is decreased if you are already choosing to play builds that aren’t optimized for whatever kind of damage you want to apply?
Because they ARE optimized within certain parameters. Condi druid is optimised within the parameter that you are still a support druid that will choose certain skills and traits to support your team. But you will also pull the most dps you can. Such build would be hurt by nerfs just the same.
To go back to guardian, wvw burn guardian is not going to go into the zerg’s face and hack them with an axe. They use ranged weapons. Those builds are nerfed.
Again, if they are optimized in those parameters, people that care about their performance will continue to use those builds if nothing else exists that is better.
So basically, you are speculating that for the few, if any, scenarios where you won’t use Firebrand, but still want a condition build, this change absolutely ruins (or in your words, not be able to play at all) their condition builds. That’s an interesting position … I can’t wait to see if that’s true. I’m pretty sure it’s not because in those cases, again … people that care about performance over style will gravitate to the most effective builds, condition or not. I don’t understand how you ignore that fact … it’s how this game has operated since day one.
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people that care about performance over style will gravitate to the most effective builds, condition or not. I don’t understand how you ignore that fact …
This right here is the crux of the problem. Your argument is that killing off these builds is no loss, because people will play something else. My argument is that it matters that these builds would die.
Your approach is nihilistic and pointless. Why buff an underperforming build? People will gravitate to more optimal builds anyway. Who cares if a class sucks, people will gravitate towards better classes. Why don’t we just delete guardian. People will play something else.
You aren’t explaining what it matters that these builds die (even if they don’t, because style players have less care about their performance). Builds changing performance has happened EVERY TIME Anet has made changes to game. You’re portraying the idea that game changes having an impact to builds is some exceptional, negative result when in fact, it’s to be completely expected. Expecting game changes to affect your build isn’t even unique to GW2 … generally, this is what happens in MMO’s. This why I can’t understand your complaint. This isn’t new; it’s the standard.
My approach is nothing but realistic. The class doesn’t suck just because non-optimal builds are affected by changes and remain non-optimal, or that optimal builds become non-optimal or vice versa. I mean, by that logic, you can propose every single change to the game is bad because it affects builds. That’s nonsense.
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It’s pointless. You will defend everything, like a true guardian clown. Like that’s literally your entire argument, bow down and accept any change without question or critique because change happens.
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I’m just asking you to justify your complaint … so far you don’t anything that makes any sense. You make a complaint about a change to a skill that affects it performance, then you claim your complaint is not about optimized builds, which would be only played by people that care about that skills performance in the first place. That leaves people that play for style and you have yet to explain why someone who plays for style would care that this is happening. If it’s pointless discussion, it’s because you really didn’t have a logical reason to make the complaint in the first place.
I don’t bow down and accept any change without question; I’m objective enough to see why this change is happening or at least, how significantly it impacts the game. My reason isn’t clouded by some hate for the new expansion like yours seems to be.
Then tell me what positive effect this change bring to the game.
Guardians will have a focused condi build that Anet can properly deliver to players. Obviously it would be stupid for Anet to give us a new condi elite spec and have players like yourself complain that it’s not better than the mish mash of random burning skills that make up our current condi spec we have now …
Of course I don’t expect you to believe that since you think that the current PVE condi spec for Guardian is so strongly based on passive VOJ that any change to it makes the build completely unplayable.
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That could have happened without changing VoJ.
That could have happened without even making an elite spec, like it happened for ranger, revenant, elementalist, thief.
In fact, it could have happened by buffing VoJ to the pvp values.
Guardians will have a focused condi build that Anet can properly deliver to players. Obviously it would be stupid for Anet to give us a new condi elite spec and have players like yourself complain that it’s not better than the mish mash of random burning skills that make up our current condi spec we have now …
As opposed to the mish mash of the same random burning skills plus axe?
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Yeah it could have; it could have been lots of things. .. that’s not really relevant though. Only Anet gets to choose what those changes are, for whatever those reasons are. Only objective and sound thinking will be able to make speculative sense of it … or you can just continue to assume everything they do is a complete disaster and wrong, like it violates some sense of morality that offends you. You’re choice.
Anyways, unless you have a sensible reason that anyone should care about this in light of the new expansion and the context of the way the game works, you can continue to be the lone voice in the wilderness.
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You don’t have any supporters yourself.
In the end, you can’t support your stand, your only MO is eating Anet’s kitten.
We still don’t have good enough reason to believe this is a change to all of the justice passives… so you’re complaint is based entirely on conjecture.
We will know in 4 days.
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