Guild Wars 2

It’s a rough life.

I’m glad RF is a meditation now though. Started logging in just to play with that.

Warrior’s aren’t much of a problem unless they’re skilled with the class. Engis though…..decent engies will make you wanna stop playing guard for a little bit and play a condi necro to unleash unholy justice on every engi you see. :P

Warriors aren’t that bad, generally I feel very comfortable fighting them, and if I lose it’s because I made a mistake or simply got out played.

Engi on the other hand is just a nightmare. If the Engi is within your skill range, they will win a majority of the time. Only thing you can hope is they make a mistake in their rotation or they are just less skilled then you. However, at least in WvW I can just run from them. In pvp you can’t, since it’s conquest.

Which leads to an interesting question. Is it possible to build to counter the Engi specifically or are we simply outclassed every way we approach it.

Obviously this depends on the build we are facing, as they have several very viable configurations and we have far less effective options.

Warriors haven’t been a threat since the most recent patch. Engineers… I think it’s more of perplexity being ridiculous than the class itself.

However, it does seem like in terms of small scale that it’s meditations or bust, at least in my experience….

Tarsius.3170:

Which leads to an interesting question. Is it possible to build to counter the Engi specifically or are we simply outclassed every way we approach it.

Obviously this depends on the build we are facing, as they have several very viable configurations and we have far less effective options.

Tbh I think we are outclassed by Engi and Ele. A player of equal or even slightly less skill level will beat you nearly every time.

Relentliss.2170:

Tarsius.3170:

Which leads to an interesting question. Is it possible to build to counter the Engi specifically or are we simply outclassed every way we approach it.

Obviously this depends on the build we are facing, as they have several very viable configurations and we have far less effective options.

Tbh I think we are outclassed by Engi and Ele. A player of equal or even slightly less skill level will beat you nearly every time.

I would agree. A Guardian is completely reliant on their cool downs and Elementalists and Engineers both have access to far more skills than we do so they always have access to skills they can use while we are left just spamming our auto-attacks.

I will never understand how without any resource management involved ArenaNet came to the conclusion that professions having access to 25 skills could ever equal professions having access to just 15 skills but then again I only have a Minor in Mathematics, so perhaps they use some advance form of number theory I am not familiar with.

Thanks.

shouldn’t be losing to eles, at best they should be stalling you out until either one of you gets reinforcement or someone makes a mistake.

if you build around engis you lose to everything else though, so you kind of have to crit your teeth on those fights.

I just made a post enough this too in fact but i have to dissagree on Wars.

As far as Meditations go:

We COMPLETELY counter Wars. We have enough blocks and blinds to avoid any real bursts which rocking enough burst healing to reliably trade blows and come out on top.

Only way wars stand a chance vs a guard is kite and abuse 3x adren Long bow burst. In that case play defensive or just avoid the scorched area.

Any other warrior weapon can be tanked while trading blows. Now to mention warriors are inherently punished by going melee vs guardian due to symbols and retal.

GS mace/focus trolls warriors quite well. Try it; even more blocks, heals and symbol dmg. Only real threat is eviscerate

Healway does not work so well anymore. Medis are the new Kings of skirmishes

Hunter.4783:

I just made a post enough this too in fact but i have to dissagree on Wars.

As far as Meditations go:

We COMPLETELY counter Wars. We have enough blocks and blinds to avoid any real bursts which rocking enough burst healing to reliably trade blows and come out on top.

Only way wars stand a chance vs a guard is kite and abuse 3x adren Long bow burst. In that case play defensive or just avoid the scorched area.

Any other warrior weapon can be tanked while trading blows. Now to mention warriors are inherently punished by going melee vs guardian due to symbols and retal.

GS mace/focus trolls warriors quite well. Try it; even more blocks, heals and symbol dmg. Only real threat is eviscerate

Healway does not work so well anymore. Medis are the new Kings of skirmishes

Medi guardian is a duelist spec, it’s superb in 1v1s however when it comes to team fight medi guard starts falls off in team fights where there is AoE pressure and focus. Not to mention most of the time, once you’re in you really can’t jump back out of combat unless allowed too by the enemy.

A skilled dueling spec’d warrior who takes signet of might can beat a mediguard. In a sense why most Warriors would lose is because they’re relying on a 360-400s regen(HS) to keep them up in sustained fights, which is why a Berserker Warrior using Healing Signet isn’t as good, because there’s not much toughness to mitigate that nice portion of direct damage, for healing signet to work. where as many warriors in the past has said what counters Healing Signet is burst and poison. So basically the way to fight a warrior who’s using HS is to keep up damage pressure and or poison him. Which a meditation guardian can do when specd for damage, in conjunction with blind and blocks to trade blows much easier.

In general D/D ele can beat a mediguard, though from my experience playing against D/D ele you will lose if you play double melee weapon set, if you have scepter (the only time i’d really take it) it’ll make the fight easier. There are times where a S/F Ele will drop you before you can do anything as well, but those are rare at least for me.

One thing to note is if you don’t know how a medi guard plays chances are you’re going to get beat by one that knows how to play the class. However if you know how mediguards play, they becomes much easier to kill. This is the same thing for other classes with other specs.

I’m probably just bad at the game now, but if I had a dollar for every time I was beaten into the ground (in sPvP) by a Zerker Longbow/x (GS or Hammer) Warrior, usually with HS, my student loans would be paid off.

Everything else y’all have said is cool too, though.

Whenever I read about all these people stereotyping Medi Guard = Duelist spec, only good in 1v1, melt in AOE, not helping in team fight, etc etc. I laugh so hard XD
Guys, try Hammer + GS instead =x

Yeap, Eng is a pain in the kitten for Gua (condi ftw). Need one more player to bring these annoying fellas down. Warrior too because they can choose to disengage the fight whenever they want, (even Condi War is annoying), and come back to you when they are healed by signet =/

As Hunter mentioned, M/F+GS + Symbols are a kitten good solution

Wars aren´t that problem, as long the stay in range, otherwise they have the mobility-advantage, but thats also counterable.

Engis can be annoying with Perplex or Balthazars, but mainly it depends on their skill. If u lure their cd´s its way more better.

Surprisingly my burning build has been a hard counter for engies and hambow wars. It’s a pretty niche build but its frustrated a lot of people playing this classes.

Hell, I dueled a hambow and didn’t use my elite or any utilities and still won (barely).

yLoon.5289:

Whenever I read about all these people stereotyping Medi Guard = Duelist spec, only good in 1v1, melt in AOE, not helping in team fight, etc etc. I laugh so hard XD
Guys, try Hammer + GS instead =x

Yeap, Eng is a pain in the kitten for Gua (condi ftw). Need one more player to bring these annoying fellas down. Warrior too because they can choose to disengage the fight whenever they want, (even Condi War is annoying), and come back to you when they are healed by signet =/

Can you post a build for a Hammer/GS medi spec? I main a guard in zergs and would love to roam on mine, but I can’t stand 1v1 builds bc my GW life seems to be PvX, or XvX when I’m with a group. A PvX guard build could change my life. You have the power, guard forum!

Lucentfir.7430:

engies will make you wanna stop playing guard for a little bit and play a condi necro to unleash unholy justice on every engi you see. :P

^^ lol

I play a medi-guard, and I’ve honestly never had much of an issue with warriors in wvw in a 1vs1 situation. I’d say they’re probably one of the easiest classes to deal with unless the player is very good. Blinds and blocks go a long way in helping mitigate their big hits, or their launches and stuns (sword/focus anyone?).

The only problem I seem to have when it comes to warriors is that if they decide to disengage from the battle and run away, catching them as a guard is incredibly difficult (slow guardians are slow).

Engineers are, admittedly, more of a problem. I struggle with them much more than I do warriors. Battles with engineers also tend to be quite long in my experiences, and they take forever to kill.

Well apparently I’ve ran into one of the forum engis while testing a build in hot join. Tbh I’m not too entirely impressed. I ran Hammer and spirit hammer with no traveler rune (Easy to kite)but pack rune, and every time i got downed by either 1vX or just trying to close the gap when having to fight him he had some remarks to state every time, seems like he was trying to instigate. P/S 3 kit condi build. I kinda want to hear what your gaiez feel on this discussion on this chat would be. Quite frankly I felt like hopping on a burn guardian or my necro after that :P The fact is A decent engi will ruin your day as a guardian, especially if you’re double melee and power spec.

It’s just your run-of-the-mill Engineer trying to pretend his profession/build isn’t mechanically capable of literally facerolling most others so he can feel like he’s actually good at something. Plenty of Warriors and Mages do the same thing in WoW.

Engi is complex in its own right, but it doesn’t take any longer to learn how to play on auto-pilot than any other profession or build in this game. The skill ceiling in GW2 is excruciatingly low, and the floor is casual-pleasingly high.

Honestly, I don’t even know how people can fight with double melee. Even with the 2 blinks and leap I find it troublesome that I’m swinging my sword 1 foot away from them and they’re just walking away. :p

Although I don’t really take duels seriously due to the game not having that balance there as well as the existence of simple build hard counters and a inclination towards condition abuse and like I’ve said I feel it has more to do with certain runes and the nature of condi bunkers rather than the classes themselves. And of course in wvw just the whole running off thing.