Guild Wars 2

of HoT-Guardian:

• It makes Guardian top dps (35k, above Ele) with condi damage gear and traits (axe burning).
• It makes Guardian best heal (better than Druid) with heal gear and traits (tome healing).
• It makes Guardian best tank with either tank gear because bosses require actual tanks this expansion or by giving perma quickness and still being a better tank than chrono.
• It makes Guardian useful for high end pvp because you can’t be interrupted using your long cast tome spells when traited.

So you can choose your role and be competitive with it. Traits offer actual variety. We become desired in pvp and raids+fractals. Not like only one hybrid build that is useless for everything bar being used with or against noobs.

And what will probably happen instead:

• HurrDurr hybrid 10k dps with perma quickness, still worse than chrono and without any tanking abilities.
• Worst pure dps.
• “Because the axe did too much damage in pvp, we nerfed it in pve as well. We don’t care btw.”
• Ele top heal, top dps.
• Chrono top tank.
• Guardian raid role: get kicked or carry those noobs who don’t find anyone else and want your experience that you gathered on a raiding alt before, no role for progressing btw, cause Guardian is the noob class.
• Guardian fractal role: It’s great until level 75, afterwards please switch to ele or chrono.

ded game

Don’t buy until Anet proved to change (by checking dps meters at least before purchasing).

Atm I’m much more hyped about Argus because I know Blizz won’t make my class completely worthless and actually fix imbalances. Path of Fire, no, probably no real balance at all. HoT proved it.

yea I am affraid of Firebrand going to be trash tier as a support/dps.

You know, people cried about how bad DH was going to be and it turned out just fine.

Also, Guardian can spew at 28k DPS with burn build in raids and 30k similar with GS / Scepter + Torch power.

Guardian is just fine right now and it’ll be even better when Firebrand releases.

Please don’t comment on raiding as a WvWler, do us all a favor.

Adrenalin.5719:

Please don’t comment on raiding as a WvWler, do us all a favor.

I play all aspects of the game and main Guardian. I’ll comment on what I please.

Well, at least stay correct then. Guard only reaches 30k with virtues unscathered. This can only really be done on Gorse, one boss of like 20. Quit the kitten plz.

Adrenalin.5719:

Well, at least stay correct then. Guard only reaches 30k with virtues unscathered. This can only really be done on Gorse, one boss of like 20. Quit the kitten plz.

‘can only be done’ – I said can, I didn’t get specific you salty child. It can be done and still is done. But you know, continue hating yourself and kittenting on the forums.

I’ll be over here being excited for more additions to an already super awesome class.

Syktek.7912:

Adrenalin.5719:

Well, at least stay correct then. Guard only reaches 30k with virtues unscathered. This can only really be done on Gorse, one boss of like 20. Quit the kitten plz.

‘can only be done’ – I said can, I didn’t get specific you salty child. It can be done and still is done. But you know, continue hating yourself and kittenting on the forums.

I’ll be over here being excited for more additions to an already super awesome class.

It’s called a cheesy straw man argument, Gorse does not equal raiding as a whole, keep trolling mate.

I wonder if you also comment in the Rev forum saying Rev is fine for raiding because he kites hands on Deimos.

Adrenalin.5719:

Syktek.7912:

Adrenalin.5719:

Well, at least stay correct then. Guard only reaches 30k with virtues unscathered. This can only really be done on Gorse, one boss of like 20. Quit the kitten plz.

‘can only be done’ – I said can, I didn’t get specific you salty child. It can be done and still is done. But you know, continue hating yourself and kittenting on the forums.

I’ll be over here being excited for more additions to an already super awesome class.

It’s called a cheesy straw man argument, Gorse does not equal raiding as a whole, keep trolling mate.

I’ll keep trolling and wearing my legendary armor I earned while playing guardian instead of worrying about minmaxing. Stay salty plebian <3

Firebrand is gonna be a great addition to Guardian.

Now you crossed a line. I’m the 121st son of Caesar, pure blood patrician. My family built Rome and you are the pleb just leeching off our achievements. 287 BCE was such a mistake.

Syktek.7912:

You know, people cried about how bad DH was going to be and it turned out just fine.

Also, Guardian can spew at 28k DPS with burn build in raids and 30k similar with GS / Scepter + Torch power.

Guardian is just fine right now and it’ll be even better when Firebrand releases.

Yeah exactly … I think the cries of “bad damage” are highly exaggerated by people that should be playing FOTM if all they want is the ‘best’ of everything. DH was not the disaster that people make it out to be.

This thread should be archived for the robots in the future studying human social psychology

Obtena.7952:

Syktek.7912:

You know, people cried about how bad DH was going to be and it turned out just fine.

Also, Guardian can spew at 28k DPS with burn build in raids and 30k similar with GS / Scepter + Torch power.

Guardian is just fine right now and it’ll be even better when Firebrand releases.

Yeah exactly … I think the cries of “bad damage” are highly exaggerated by people that should be playing FOTM if all they want is the ‘best’ of everything. DH was not the disaster that people make it out to be.

Pretty sure DH just boils down to PoB, and +26% damage modifiers in PvE. I welcome using my healing skill every 12s for 8s of quickness though anything would be better than DH since it is just a bundle of modifiers.

Maybe, but for people to sensationalize everything that DH is being terrible, for whatever reason, is nonsensical. I mean, I don’t even get what doing that accomplishes … like somehow Anet reads this thread and the light goes on that for the last 2 years, they and a fraction of players are completely wrong and DH is a pile of suck?

Even if they did, why would I have confidence that Anet wouldn’t do it again on FireB? If Dh is indeed as crap as the OP wants us all to believe, then my expectation isn’t that Anet will do better … my expectation is that Anet will deliver more of the same in FireB as they did on DH. I see little point in hammering obvious points for no reason.

… or we can all see that this thread is just a big pile of vitriol and the OP thinks that somehow, THIS is the thread that will make some big changes to the class for a expansion being released in what … a few months? GL with that strategy; it worked great for the DH name debate. ><

This is more like a glorified ending with a shimmer of hope.

How many useless posts will you make hating on Guard? I can out-dps a lot of plebs on other classes in raids. Bai.

Yeah, me too. But I want to outdps these decent eles.

Adrenalin.5719:

ded game

Don’t buy until Anet proved to change (by checking dps meters at least before purchasing).

How old are you? srsly? I wonder why people bother writing in official forums if they have nothing constructive to say, if you want to vent go to a psychologist.

Syktek.7912:

You know, people cried about how bad DH was going to be and it turned out just fine.

Also, Guardian can spew at 28k DPS with burn build in raids and 30k similar with GS / Scepter + Torch power.

Guardian is just fine right now and it’ll be even better when Firebrand releases.

If you dont remember DH pre hot was trash and garbage. We then cried and you have spec what you play today! So say thans to us.

Firebrand is garbage with no blocks and big 90 sec cd’s and long cast times(not even kit based) it will be disappointment in competitive raids, pvp, wvw. Don’t cry later.

Criticise pre-release: “You can’t know already cause you didn’t play it, yet.”
Criticise on release: “Try figuring out the spec before you trash it.”
Criticise post-release: “Too bad it sucks, but now it’s too late to change anything, come earlier next time.”

Adrenalin.5719:

Criticise pre-release: “You can’t know already cause you didn’t play it, yet.”
Criticise on release: “Try figuring out the spec before you trash it.”
Criticise post-release: “Too bad it sucks, but now it’s too late to change anything, come earlier next time.”

Reminds me of the sonic cycle. For one thing, I know this cringy fanbase will defend this elite spec to the death.

Fashion Mage.3712:

Reminds me of the sonic cycle. For one thing, I know this cringy fanbase will defend this elite spec to the death.

One that you’re a part of. Thank you for participating.

Never change, guardian subforum. Never change…

Ghotistyx.6942:

Fashion Mage.3712:

Reminds me of the sonic cycle. For one thing, I know this cringy fanbase will defend this elite spec to the death.

One that you’re a part of. Thank you for participating.

Oh don’t worry about that, I’m pretty sure I’m already outies.

Anet should not change the classes to all Deal max dps, they should change the content to need subroles

Rashagar.8349:

Never change, guardian subforum. Never change…

We are like our main class that way; a stagnant, rancid cesspool.

It’s not like you guys are the only “poor souls” with victim syndrome. Engineer, Necro, Thief, possibly Mesmer sub-forums have nearly identical posts, depending on the game mode.

Mahou.3924:

It’s not like you guys are the only “poor souls” with victim syndrome. Engineer, Necro, Thief, possibly Mesmer sub-forums have nearly identical posts, depending on the game mode.

And yet all of them are meta in both pvp and pve. Necro might have a slight excuse since they fell out of favour in raids. In wvw, necro is staple. The rest are great roamers.

Also, not all game modes are equal. Pve is a lot more popular and thus matters the most. I don’t care if guardian is good at wvw when it’s garbage in pve.

I dunno about all these complaints about Guard. Maybe its in a good spot, maybe not.

All I know is despite how bad I am at sPvP I can still win most of my 1v1s on a side point. Granted, I am only in silver because I just started. But it doesn’t feel weak at all from that perspective.

Omcrazy.4756:

I dunno about all these complaints about Guard. Maybe its in a good spot, maybe not.

All I know is despite how bad I am at sPvP I can still win most of my 1v1s on a side point. Granted, I am only in silver because I just started. But it doesn’t feel weak at all from that perspective.

The reason for that is that at low levels your opponents is trash mobs without experience and in some cases also got the brains of trash mobs.

Get t a higher level and you realize how bad the guardian is.

Mahou.3924:

It’s not like you guys are the only “poor souls” with victim syndrome. Engineer, Necro, Thief, possibly Mesmer sub-forums have nearly identical posts, depending on the game mode.

I played mesmer and thief the last 6 months and i can tell you that none of those have anything to complain about compared to the guardian. Thief and zergs is the only gamemode where i can see that it is worth complaining about and that seems to be fixed with the deadeye.

Both professions have more build diversity, have excellent condition builds, great power builds, can roam, enormous spike and can build for insane survivability. And they can both disengage when ever they want.

When i play my Daredevil condi thief i seriously cant be killed in wvw.

If the guardian is in a good spot mesmer, thief, warrior and ele are in a great spot. I cant speak for the other professions since i dont have elites of those and havent played much wvw/pve with them.

Adrenalin.5719:

of HoT-Guardian:

• It makes Guardian top dps (35k, above Ele) with condi damage gear and traits (axe burning).

To me firebrand will be a quickness bot like condi PS warrior it’s a might bot and the burning guardian (Zeal, Radiance, Virtues) will deal more damage than firebrand while not bringing utility, like the burnzerker with condi PS.

Vitali.5039:

Adrenalin.5719:

of HoT-Guardian:

• It makes Guardian top dps (35k, above Ele) with condi damage gear and traits (axe burning).

To me firebrand will be a quickness bot like condi PS warrior it’s a might bot and the burning guardian (Zeal, Radiance, Virtues) will deal more damage than firebrand while not bringing utility, like the burnzerker with condi PS.

Why? Ele can be a might bot or best dps, just change some talents, weapon and rotation. I want that for Guard as well. If not, I’m not buying PoF. Simple as that. Only other scenario would be if they destroy Ele dps, making it trash tier.

Adrenalin.5719:

Vitali.5039:

Adrenalin.5719:

of HoT-Guardian:

• It makes Guardian top dps (35k, above Ele) with condi damage gear and traits (axe burning).

To me firebrand will be a quickness bot like condi PS warrior it’s a might bot and the burning guardian (Zeal, Radiance, Virtues) will deal more damage than firebrand while not bringing utility, like the burnzerker with condi PS.

Why? Ele can be a might bot or best dps, just change some talents, weapon and rotation. I want that for Guard as well. If not, I’m not buying PoF. Simple as that. Only other scenario would be if they destroy Ele dps, making it trash tier.

Cause looking to Firebrand’s trait, utilities and tomes I don’t see a dps oriented specialization (only Mantra of Flame could be useful).

I’m not saying this is what the class deserve but it’s what I’ve thought reading the wiki:
Firebrand can’t outdps burning guardian

Best part is that guardian has no dps elite, hope you are playing Sylvari.