Guild Wars 2

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQJARSlUgiC3FyMEfIFRWBRaVAg1Mi39wZgRPC-jAxAkoAVcLiGruGT5SEVDA-e

hammer build.

now i’ve read obals guide of hammer build. but i was just wondering, nothing in radiance boosts hammer, so why not trying to figure out a better dps hammer build that isn’t just for mobs (adds) (due to VoJ spam with might stacks 5 sec), and instead boost up the symbols (honor + zeal)(which he mentioned as well due to 20 in honor, but did not go 25 into zeal).

also, i like dodging alot, so i’ll have my elusive power on permanently no prob, its how i’m used to anyway.

for the lack of 150 precision which is the difference in stats between obals and mine, i was thinking of just getting few assassin’s or just add a sigil of perception in a secondary greatsword in bag. idk, what do you suggest? plenty of options to use.

currently i’ve got only exotics with ascended amulet so i won’t be able to show any accurate stats of mine, however with my exotics i currently have 46% crit chance (without any assasins gear or buff stacks) (using ruby orbs). that should increase obv with ascended but i dont know how much.

so 1.what are the flaws here?
2. is it viable and should i use it?
and do mention if you have used it and ended up not liking it or still use it (or will use it).

edit: sry, forgot to mention it’s for pve/dungeons/fractals
- sweg

Painbow.6059:

Obals build is better, it offers more damage because radiant power affects all damage you deal (reflects, other weapons), not just symbols and overall is a higher dps bonus than using 25 in zeal. Honor 25 (elusive power) is bad as you are never realistically upholding that many dodges. Your build doesn’t have 15 in radiance for spamming might/vuln and more important blinds. I would suggest just using Obal’s build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQFASlUgiCXGyLEfIFRWBRazAgIs+Q8wUgRPC-jgBBYfAkfAZmFRjt4qIas6aYKXER1A-e
I use this build for fractals 49 and 40 which I do daily

By 40’s and 49’s I am referring to fractals of the mists

also, pls consider that there is 100 more power in 25 zeal than 15 zeal, and GS still gets its trait, and i will not use sword in this build.

Painbow.6059:

Painbow.6059:

Obals build is better, it offers more damage because radiant power affects all damage you deal (reflects, other weapons), not just symbols and overall is a higher dps bonus than using 25 in zeal. Honor 25 (elusive power) is bad as you are never realistically upholding that many dodges. Your build doesn’t have 15 in radiance for spamming might/vuln and more important blinds. I would suggest just using Obal’s build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fUAQFASlUgiCXGyLEfIFRWBRazAgIs+Q8wUgRPC-jgBBYfAkfAZmFRjt4qIas6aYKXER1A-e
I use this build for fractals 49 and 40 which I do daily

By 40’s and 49’s I am referring to fractals of the mists

your linked build contains:
+10% from radiant power, and 10% from burn. 150 precision more

my linked build contains: +10% from elusive power, 10% burn, 10% symbols (and more vuln duration) and 100 power more.

power and precision could be exchanged in stats either way IF wanted.

pls don’t consider that elusive power is useless in this case.

If you just spam your dodges you won’t have them when you need them. So yes, it is useless and spamming dodges is also a dps loss

Painbow’s right. Just to illustrate the numbers if you dodge just to activate EP:

With perma-vigor and assuming 1000 DPS …

… if you dodge, you need to do it once every 5 seconds, so you deal
(5 s – 0.75 s) * 1100 D/s = 4675 damage
in those 5 seconds.

… if you don’t dodge, it’s flat 5000.

Therefore, dodging just for EP is a damage loss of at least 6.5 %. Under normal circumstances, it will be more, since you won’t always dodge perfectly between two skills.

you are still just trying to prove elusive power is useless.

im not using sword, so all autoattacks are kinda weak except when hammer drops aoe, and dodging doesn’t interrupt the AA chain for hammer.
so meaning;
dodge-> drop GS bursts -> hammer blast and dodge + AA untill GS is ready. could always time these dodges during a boss attack which is less than 5 sec obviously.
in short:
since im not autoattacking, shouldn’t dropping bursts after a dodge, and dodge while only autoattack is available not matter that much?

so you assume in your calculations that a radiant power guardian never dodges in a dungeon? is it so bad to be dodging for the sake of not taking damage?

so im still looking to hear about something other than elusive power of how this dps is.

this calls for calculations of how much the symbols damage can do along with the main attacks, the tooltips shows pleasing numbers, except for hammers as it is bugged and not showing numbers that includes the 2 sec duration icnrease.

Yeah, be my guest, use that build. When you’ll have more confidence in your skills, you won’t need that many dodges and you’ll switch back to obal’s builds.

If you move 5 from Honor to Radiance, you dodge less but you can spam blinds. I prefer blinds as it benefits the group to not have to dodge where with Elusive Power, you only increase your own dps while forcing people to dodge and lose dps.

Fror.2163:

Yeah, be my guest, use that build. When you’ll have more confidence in your skills, you won’t need that many dodges and you’ll switch back to obal’s builds.

If you move 5 from Honor to Radiance, you dodge less but you can spam blinds. I prefer blinds as it benefits the group to not have to dodge where with Elusive Power, you only increase your own dps while forcing people to dodge and lose dps.

i see your point.

however, trash mobs are still not a problem and one or two blind is usually enough for our group to take them out (as i have two sources ready not counting renewed focus). at end dungeon play /bosses you can’t spam blind so it’s also useless to have the trait vs boss + blind is 10% effective otherwise a thief could spam blackpowder and boss never hits.

let me remind you again. the reason i picked this trait line is because radiant tree provided no boost to hammer whatsoever, and even obal says there is nothing to pick and best there is, is the 3 vuln on blind one. i didn’t pick the build to dodge more, i actually don’t care if vigor was there or not.

his build however, provides access to sword/focus when he needs it, and since i don’t plan on using sword/focus and stick to hammer (as it does quite good damage, just we don’t see the high numbers) i see myself benefitting more from switching the traits if i won’t use sword anyway, more scepter/focus when needed however.

i need replies here from people who has tested this build and would reconsider it. not just bashing me about obal. i read about obal, tested it, but tried to figure out a better hammer build that hammer could benefit from more.

wonder if people will be less hating on elusive power once the vigor trait is being nerfed to 10 sec CD.

Having 25 in zeal is less dps than 25 in radiance. Your EP is lower with GS even with zealous blades on so that would make that trait even more worthless than Master trait in Radiance. Hammer EP will also be lower and the symbol trait won’t make up for the loss. Oddly enough even assuming that all damage comming from the hammer is symbol damage your EP will still be slightly lower with 25 in zeal. Blind spam is important for fractals so you should have 15 in radiance there at least. The vuln from spamming it is great too.

i’m not considering 25 zeal a comparison to 25 radiance, 25 zeal is the bonus. EP is the comparison, ofc it’s better with 25 radiance but i can live with dodging, is what i assumed.

i do get the point of blind spams, im just further experimenting if it’s any big deal if i have access to only 2 for now.

i would like to do further comparisons but i don’t get what you mean by “it’s lower” as it’s a flat 10%. you mean due to evading that takes 0.75 sec of my time? or was this concluded due to a calculation? elaborate a bit so i can compare this properly. thanks.

I was just comparing radiance and zeal. I think I misread above. It looks fine except for fractals. If you do 49s you won’t want to be dodging for no reason given the instability and the blind spam can mitigate a lot of damage for your group and let them burn through and rally off trash faster.

gotcha, then for fractals as you mentioned is a different story.

edit: i was thinking i might as well use 20/25/0/25/0. this way i only sacrificed a boosted concecration skill in exchange for damage. however, i still use concecration, just a lower performance version.