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Posted by: Tora.7214

Tora.7214

even when guardian dmg is lower than warrs, the elegancy of guardians as been their pretty nice party support

however after spending all the evening testing revenant/herald on parties todays, might heralds become a threat for guardians spots on raids?

this is coming from someone whos first 80 and main for a year was a guardian, i felt like revenant both surpassing us in dmg and party support (kittenload of might stacks, perma fury, swift, protection on demand, 50% buff duration) the only buff we still outshine them being on demand aegis

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Posted by: Azure.8670

Azure.8670

No, but rev might take warriors spot

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Posted by: Darknicrofia.2604

Darknicrofia.2604

glint spec is insanely strong in spvp.

glint/shiro acts like a bruiser build that no current guardian or DH spec can compete with.

I’m sure a full glint/jalis or glint/ventari bunker would also be pretty strong.

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Posted by: Nick Kaedalus.9526

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I ended up here because I had that same concern and decided to google it. I’ve been playing a Guardian since betas and still main it, love playing tanky-supporty builds, and Raids to me sounded like “You waited 3 years for them to acknowledge you as a tank. Your time has come”

Then I was playing with 4 guildies today, and decided to pick up the Herald. Perma-swiftness to the whole party while traveling? Perma-regen, fury AND might during combat? Protection when necessary, with -40% damage to top it off? We all agreed that I should retire my Guardian, hahahah.

Still, it made me scared that they might just be a better version of us.

inb4 ANet manages to end the endless queues waiting for healers; replaces it with endless queues waiting for Heralds.

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Posted by: Exedore.6320

Exedore.6320

Revenant (some parts), Reaper, and Chronomancer are all way too good right now. So don’t expect any of those to be that powerful when HoT launches or remain that way for long.

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Posted by: Jephiroth.3197

Jephiroth.3197

Yeah, if Revenant goes live in a similar capacity to what they are currently, my jump start 3+ year old guardian will be naked and all his pretty ascended gear will be on a new Shiro/Glint Rev. I’m sad,, especially since I leveled a second guardian just to be a Sylvari. I have a whole new enjoyment during this beta.

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Posted by: RJMazz.6798

RJMazz.6798

I ended up here because I had that same concern and decided to google it. I’ve been playing a Guardian since betas and still main it, love playing tanky-supporty builds, and Raids to me sounded like “You waited 3 years for them to acknowledge you as a tank. Your time has come”

Then I was playing with 4 guildies today, and decided to pick up the Herald. Perma-swiftness to the whole party while traveling? Perma-regen, fury AND might during combat? Protection when necessary, with -40% damage to top it off? We all agreed that I should retire my Guardian, hahahah.

Still, it made me scared that they might just be a better version of us.

inb4 ANet manages to end the endless queues waiting for healers; replaces it with endless queues waiting for Heralds.

If you keep all those buffs up you’ll run out of energy fast and the only think you’ll be able to do is autoattack. That’s not how it works…

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Posted by: Webba.3071

Webba.3071

I know that mine is, 3 years in and it might be time to switch mains…

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Posted by: Fashion Mage.3712

Fashion Mage.3712

Ventari/Glint revenants have some of the strongest support in the game, but I still think support guardians at least rival them and are still better than them in different regards. I’ll be playing both if I get the expansion.

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Posted by: Amineo.8951

Amineo.8951

Revenant is the next D/D Ele except it has Guardian stuff in it aswell, so yeah you should be scared.

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Posted by: Buran.3796

Buran.3796

I don’t think so. I did stop to use my guardian in WvW more than a year ago due was boring as hell and any roamer will rekt you in pieces if you were catched with a raid build outside your team, so lately I was playing Warrior in raids while keeping my Guardians for roaming and PvP.

In that sense, I don’t think that Revenants are threat to Guardians, due I don’t like their role in WvW and I don’t find them competitive in PvP/roaming.

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Posted by: Black Box.9312

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I don’t think Revenant is a threat to PvE Guardian, but in PvP and small-scale WvW I can definitely see it being more effective now that you can just bring a Mesmer to provide allied condi cleanse and still have far more DPS output than a Bunker Guard.

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Posted by: Kirnale.5914

Kirnale.5914

- Guardian has still the better burst, by dropping 2 symbols in a row and whirling wrath on top of that(with traits, each symbol tick will drop a vulnerability stack)
while parallel activating Virtue of Justice, “Save yourselves” and Shield of Wrath.
- Aegis is still one of our strengths, which can be used to block fatal attacks or support a group member if he has trouble to survive
- Wall of reflection
- Quickness+Fury to whole group every 30s(untraited)
- much better sync between the traits/skills
- more anti conditions
etc etc.
it’s a different class guys, I could make a list where rev shines but whatever.

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Posted by: CandyHearts.6025

CandyHearts.6025

Revenant (some parts), Reaper, and Chronomancer are all way too good right now. So don’t expect any of those to be that powerful when HoT launches or remain that way for long.

They all seem find to me. Not “too good” other than perhaps Reaper chill.

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Posted by: Ragnarox.9601

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Revenant (some parts), Reaper, and Chronomancer are all way too good right now. So don’t expect any of those to be that powerful when HoT launches or remain that way for long.

Heard of elementalists? They are op like for 2 years.

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Posted by: Misguided.5139

Misguided.5139

Guardian has aegis, as already mentioned. Revenant has no access to reflects, which is a guardian strength. Right now, guardian has drastically better access to stability, though I am hoping that will change a bit. Revenant does have resistance, but virtually no condition clear, and certainly not group condition clear, something Guardians excel at.

So, what I’m trying to get at, is that they compliment each other more than they conflict. As a Revenant, I’d be thrilled to have a Guardian in the group. And as a Guardian, why wouldn’t I want a Revenant that can increase boon duration by 50%?

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Posted by: posthumecaver.6473

posthumecaver.6473

I think you interpret Dragon Hunter wrong, Guardian didn’t have a good range DPS weapon, I mean Staff, DPS common?

I think they designed DH to be pure range DPS of Guardian, with old traits and weapons Guardian will be a still awesome Tank/Healer but Revenant will be constant buffer for DPS, with my Reaper I really enjoyed always having Rev around me feeding with constant Fury and Might.

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Posted by: Ragnarox.9601

Ragnarox.9601

Guardian has aegis, as already mentioned. Revenant has no access to reflects, which is a guardian strength. Right now, guardian has drastically better access to stability, though I am hoping that will change a bit. Revenant does have resistance, but virtually no condition clear, and certainly not group condition clear, something Guardians excel at.

So, what I’m trying to get at, is that they compliment each other more than they conflict. As a Revenant, I’d be thrilled to have a Guardian in the group. And as a Guardian, why wouldn’t I want a Revenant that can increase boon duration by 50%?

Y we have aegis at 50+ sec cd hooray

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Posted by: Black Box.9312

Black Box.9312

I think you interpret Dragon Hunter wrong, Guardian didn’t have a good range DPS weapon, I mean Staff, DPS common?

I think they designed DH to be pure range DPS of Guardian, with old traits and weapons Guardian will be a still awesome Tank/Healer but Revenant will be constant buffer for DPS, with my Reaper I really enjoyed always having Rev around me feeding with constant Fury and Might.

Scepter does fine ranged DPS. All it needs is a little bit more reliability on the autoattack and we’d be fine. I can understand people wanting an alternative ranged weapon, but to say that we didn’t already have a good one is kind of stretching the truth a bit.

As of right now, it still doesn’t look like there really is a definitive idea for what the direction of the Dragonhunter is supposed to be. That’s really the heart of the problem with it; it’s a bit far-fetched of an idea that doesn’t mesh very well with the base class and doesn’t do much to address the issues that we have right now. Traps simply aren’t effective in a game with so much emphasis on mobility in combat, and the traits lack consistency and aren’t very practical. It just feels like the entire concept was hashed together rather haphazardly.

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Posted by: Misguided.5139

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Y we have aegis at 50+ sec cd hooray

The passive on aegis is a 40s cooldown and with Communal Defenses, you can give aegis to allies every 15s when blocking an attack via any method.

(edit: 40, not 20 (which is the duration). Still much less than 50 and the rest remains true)

(edited by Misguided.5139)

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Posted by: Silhouette.5631

Silhouette.5631

YES! REVENANTS ARE NEW AND SCARY AND STEALIN OUR JURBS!

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Posted by: Noctis.3426

Noctis.3426

Pd: Sorry for my English

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Posted by: Killyox.3950

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certainly not group condition clear, .

Actually we can pull conditions from allies with mallyx rather often and can also purge 3 conditions per player up to 5 players with skill from Ventari technically every 7 seconds if we dedicate to it. It also heals on removing them xD

Rather than threatened you should be happy because Guardian + Revenant combo is looking juicy! Especially with Herald’s Facet of Nature.

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Posted by: Misguided.5139

Misguided.5139

Rather than threatened you should be happy because Guardian + Revenant combo is looking juicy! Especially with Herald’s Facet of Nature.

This is what I keep telling people. The two go together extremely well. Guardian and Revenant are like peanut butter and jelly. Both are good, but together they can be amazing.

And yes, Mallyx can handle conditions, but it isn’t a strength of Revenant on the whole. A lot of people seem to want to run Shiro/Glint which has virtually no way to remove conditions (I plan to run Jalis/Glint, personally). I don’t think Ventari will see much use outside of specialized situations (raids, perhaps, or maybe for defensive builds in pvp).

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Posted by: Killyox.3950

Killyox.3950

@Misguided, Ventari does more healing than anything else in the game though while providing a lot of stuff.

Check rev forum thread about builds there’s support build there. Tried it and (outside of spvp) it was really good

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Posted by: Cat Has Ducks.1982

Cat Has Ducks.1982

Y we have aegis at 50+ sec cd hooray

The passive on aegis is a 40s cooldown and with Communal Defenses, you can give aegis to allies every 15s when blocking an attack via any method.

(edit: 40, not 20 (which is the duration). Still much less than 50 and the rest remains true)

With retreat and VoC, you get 2 nice party wide blocks that is generally enough for like 90% of dungeon content.

Then if you add our blind spam and wall of reflect and shield of avenger, then you talking some serious damage mitigation. Oh and just for kittens throw in purging flame and 3 more condi removed party wide by our virtue. Guardian will not be replaced

Then stability and quickness… we too good!

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Posted by: Killyox.3950

Killyox.3950

Our Facet of Nature + your Quickness shout… YEAH!

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Posted by: Cat Has Ducks.1982

Cat Has Ducks.1982

Our Facet of Nature + your Quickness shout… YEAH!

What does Rev bring to the PvE meta?

For example: thief is invis skips and blind spam with pistol

Warrior: is fat might stacks. EZ constant 20

Ele: huge dps

Guard: reflects and condi clear

Etc…

What does Rev bring? I’ve had no time to try them, so I’m curious. After player dragon hunter I kept far from the beta to not throw up.

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Posted by: Misguided.5139

Misguided.5139

What does Rev bring to the PvE meta?
.

Flexibility and making everybody else’s boon sharing better. For instance, adding 50% to that stealth & might duration. Perma-fury as an option. Perma-protection as an option. Perma-swiftness as an option. A dedicated healing setup should that ever be useful (e.g. In raids). Condition Resistance (unaffected by conditions while this is active). Lots of other things (keeping in mind they can’t do all this stuff at once).

In my opinion, they don’t completely replace Guardian or anything else, but they can plug holes in a group and generally provide support in a variety of ways while providing good dps.