Guild Wars 2

am i wrong when i say this build is absolutely garbage? (in random pvp with no communication)

- no damage
- shoutbow warrior is better?
-> better condi cleanse
-> battle standard can rezz dead people
-> makes much more damage
-> isn’t considerably worse at holding a point than bunker guard
-> better swiftness also gives vigor
-> can move much better from point to point
-> has fire field to support party members with might, much better than the short empowerment imo
-> also gives fury and heals (better?)

- bunker is dead weight on points you are fighting at which don’t belong to you
- no burst

cele ele and cele rifle engi can also hold a point while making much more damage, also have good sustain, they can escape when the point is going to be lost (sb warrior too). bunker guard has to respawn

also: why do people such kitten hp monks use bunker guard?

pretty much. if you aren’t highly coordinated its very difficult to utilize. you need to pay very close to rotations, but even then if you dont have a dps to back you up you’re basically a useless POS for the team.

A Bunker Guard still brings more support than a Shoutbow. If the War is running all three shouts, they have six group condi clears max, a Guard can have up to ten group clears, that’s not even counting SYG, which is a full group clear. Battle standard has a 240 CD, which is fairly long. Guard can use both Resolute Healer and Shield of Absorption for rezing. These skills generally guaranteed you can get players up. Empower is much more significant than Combustive Shot when it comes to support. Its 12 stacks of might and also almost a 3k AoE heal. In addition to that, Bunker Guard gives out better boons; Protection, Regen, Stab, and Aegis. The only boons they don’t give out are Vigor and Fury. Guard also has better group heals, War just has their shouts. Guard has; Empower, Selfless Daring, and Virtue of Resolve, that’s not even counting all the regen they can also give out. Lastly, Guard has superior ways to hold points; Sanctuary, Line of Warding, Shield of Absorption, and the list goes on.

Now what a War does better is mobility and damage. This allows them to rotate to fights faster, which is important. They also tend to do better in smaller fights, such as 2v2.

Groups still run Bunker Guard because it’s still viable, when it comes to pure support; it’s still the top class. However, the current meta has builds that can self-sustain (cele builds), so pure support isn’t really needed as much. So it mainly comes down to group comp at the moment.

Hopefully that clears it up a bit.

I ran into a bunker guard last night who kept a point against 3 from my team for about 3-4 minutes before they finally took her down. A few random DPS would show up here an there to help but they got squashed rather quickly. While she didn’t do much damage, she was able to draw things out long enough that if she actually had a decent team, the outcome would have been much different.

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I ran into a bunker guard last night who kept a point against 3 from my team for about 3-4 minutes before they finally took her down. A few random DPS would show up here an there to help but they got squashed rather quickly. While she didn’t do much damage, she was able to draw things out long enough that if she actually had a decent team, the outcome would have been much different.

Thing is a good bunker ele could have done the same without having any less support while providing more CC and damage.

This is mainly due to the fact the ele has more CC and access to more conditions at base then what the guardian can even spec into fully traited. All while providing just as good of support/bunker when traited to do so.

Will be even worse when the expansion bring the stability nerf.

The stability nerfs aren’t all bad. For example, people can’t just stand inside sanctuary anymore, and Hallowed Ground is more or less unaffected.

Bunker guardian isn’t “garbage” but at high levels of play, it’s just not that useful.

Because bunker guardian damage is so low, they need to be with a full DPS in a team fight. Keeping that combination going while rotating around the map is incredibly complicated. If the DPS gets pressured, the bunker guardian can’t do much. Plus, opponents can just avoid the bunker guardian and go for other nodes.

The rise of “bruiser” builds, which can deal decent damage but also hold points in a 1v1 or a 1v2 for short time, made any full bunker build obsolete. Unfortunately, guardian doesn’t have a good bruiser build, due to bad or crippled traits and lack of stat customization in PvP. If it was possible to make one, it could be beneficial with team stability, protection, and healing.