Guild Wars 2

Would a retaliation focused tank be an interesting option for pve? Or any other interesting retaliation based build? I tried looking for it but couldnt really find any actual one…?
Maybe something like this:
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-B;4RFF50P3RG-90;9;4ONP;0257048257;4OoG66;1nCrRnCrRK-G_0-m5;3wV1X6Y9ZH4M5KF-3k-B-7V-17Vz

Retaliation isn’t meant to be your primary damage, nor a secondary damaging item. The only time it actually out damages power or condi is when you apply Retal to 4-5 people and a target hits your group all at once – multiple times.

PvE enemies rarely hit multiple times in quick concessions, so there’s almost no reasons to have any retal trait on your build. Conditions would be 2x more effective in terms of multiple encounters (permeating wrath) compared to retaliation built. Power spec built is still the best for pve, if i’m not mistaken.

That’s my initial thoughts anywho. I haven’t come across any quick hitting targets in pve

i have a carrion power-condi sword-torch build that does a lot of damage imo, im just trying to find some other interesting builds….retaliation sounds really interesting, a lot of mobs use it in an interesting way with their block skill but its just hard to find good applications for it

I created a retaliation/condi build once. its some fun in WvWvW when your retal hit for 500+ damage especially if you use it with litaney of wrath. If you want to be seriou sabout it I would recommend not relying on signet for the retaliation. going for a shout build and some extra boon duration. will be plenty. also virtues in combination with radiance is a far better retal generator then anything else.

to make full use of retal you need to soak up damage. the hp in you build is way too low for that. Dire should be the gear of chocie and radiant retaliation the catalyst. you can pump your condi damage up to 3000 for 650 retal a pop. add in burns for 600 damage and you got an idea.

the build you posted is not good at all.

Ah, retaliation…

That wonderful boon that returns (some) damage back to your attacker when you get hit…

In a game that is designed for you to dodge hits or die from the attack…

One of the more wonderful dichotomies of the Guardian profession.

When I first started playing Guild Wars 2, I was all about retaliation and tried to take every trait that would either give me the boon or extend it. Unfortunately, this game revolves around blocks, blinds, and evades as ways to stay alive as even a heavy armor class just cannot take the hits that MoBs (particularly champions) dish out on a regular basis.

A good idea for another MMORPG though and possibly in WvW as well. Just not a great mechanic to return damage from an attack in a game designed around you not getting hit with an attack to stay alive.

Popped signet of judgement while rezzing a teammate this afternoon—-downed a pew-pew ranger while rezzing.

<3 retal.

It’s too situational to build around, but useful to have on-hand when you see a ranger LB #2 or a guard GS # 2, etc.

For WvW reta is the main reason ele’s dont run full zerker, the reta hurt when you use meteor shower.

For PvE reta is that buff that add +1% dmg to you, due to the trait that give you +1% dmg pr. boon on you… besides that, its 100% useless.. sadly :/

I’m all for builds with passives and such but, Retal needs to be removed from the bleeping game. Either that or a 3sec ICD from the same target. If they wanted to keep it in PvE fine but, in WvW and PVP it should go.

Sigfodr.9576:

For WvW reta is the main reason ele’s dont run full zerker, the reta hurt when you use meteor shower.

Actually, many Ele’s run full zerk in WvW. The Retal damage that is returned to you when attacking a target is based on the source of the retal buff, not your own. You target may even be full condi and yet hit you with a very powerful retaliation, if the retal was given by a high power build.

DeWolfe.2174:

Sigfodr.9576:

For WvW reta is the main reason ele’s dont run full zerker, the reta hurt when you use meteor shower.

Actually, many Ele’s run full zerk in WvW. The Retal damage that is returned to you when attacking a target is based on the source of the retal buff, not your own. You target may even be full condi and yet hit you with a very powerful retaliation, if the retal was given by a high power build.

I think he ment that the retaliation damage is – whoever it is coming from – hurts to frequently to risk full zerker because it gives a too low health pool.