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Posted by: Christos de Soufre.3802

Christos de Soufre.3802

Q:

Talk to me folks. I log in here and there to spar with guildmates and friends in custom arenas. Sometimes I’ll do an hour of 20vBlob with my guild, but it’s very rare that I bother anymore. It just feels very redundant every time I try.

So tell me; has anything changed? Do you feel like Guardians are in a better, more viable spot than they were before December in sPvP? In 1v1s? As far as WvW goes, how many of you still attempt to roam against the roving packs of condi-bombing gank squads?

Is this game worth coming back to full-time without re-rolling Warrior or (the Six forbid) an Engineer? Do you think there’s a meta shift anywhere in sight that will give us some kind of reprieve from the condi/toughness and stealth spamming that is the bane of my existence and sanity? Has anything really changed?

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Posted by: Orion.1678

Orion.1678

I made a warrior a little while ago, and just recently have I leveled him to 80 and geared him relatively well. So far I enjoy the play style much more than guardian, although I’ll hop on my guardian every now and then for WvW, which is pretty much all I do (I also use your healway build, thanks for that).

I don’t enjoy roaming on guardian as much as I do warrior, but I prefer not to roam for the most part. Conditions still seem to be the meta right now, and I generally run -condition duration on gear/food with plenty of condition clearing. I was actually considering a condition build for my warrior ha ha, which I unfortunately cannot do on my guardian

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Posted by: Lonewolf Kai.3682

Lonewolf Kai.3682

Cant’ speak for PvP, but in WvW, I still roam/small group and it’s not that bad. There are some nights were you see no action/rolled over hard though thanks to Blob combat. With that being said however, I’ve become just like you: I only log in ever so often.

I feel the Guardian still has a need for trait reworking, and tweaks in general (I’m looking at you Virtue passives).

Condi meta is still at large and, but is a little bit managable, especially with certain builds. It still feels the same though despite the recent patches, which sort of reinforced some of the condispam.

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Posted by: Stand The Wall.6987

Stand The Wall.6987

There isnt much out there in terms of build diversity, thats for sure. The one you posted a while back nailed it on the head. There is either healway or ah, and the same goes for all classes. The lack of viable build variance is what is slowly killing it for me.

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

Harbinger.8637

In my view, nothing has really changed for guards that much. They are still in the same stagnant state. Not OP in anyway, but certainly not UP either. I still do tpvp and roam in wvw. I generally don’t have too many problems.

On the 17th they are doing a stream discussing upcoming balance changes. So pretty much have to wait and see what they have in store for guards.

As stated above I really wish we had more build diversity. Pretty much all builds use the same thing. 30 into Valor for AH or MF. Some type of x/x/x/30/30 build.

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Posted by: Lonewolf Kai.3682

Lonewolf Kai.3682

On the 17th they are doing a stream discussing upcoming balance changes. So pretty much have to wait and see what they have in store for guards.

Probably tooltip corrections.

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Posted by: oZii.2864

oZii.2864

I’m new on guardian but I feel like the condi meta is a bit more manageable now. It really is as you said in your healway guardian thread kill them before they kill you. On my guardian I run dps food on my main Ele I run dps food, dps food on my Warrior. Not sure what happened but I think the necro rollers lessened or stop playing. P/D thieves are still present but you just need a scepter on guard for them imo, PU mesmer still rampant but you can ignore them.

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Posted by: Mightymealworm.8409

Mightymealworm.8409

On the 17th they are doing a stream discussing upcoming balance changes. So pretty much have to wait and see what they have in store for guards.

Probably tooltip corrections.

Don’t forget a 2% buff to Kindled Zeal, they did claim to want to work on our condition builds, and they could claim to have fixed the Zeal tree at the same time! So OP!!!

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Posted by: akamon.2769

akamon.2769

for WvW roaming or PvP, prety much MF (at least for me) is the way to go. more people seem to be goign the MF route as well. it’s undeniably strong i will say. though, nothing has really changed in the bigger picture.

in sPvP though you definitely see even more MM necros now. if you’re lucky, you’ll face 2 MM necros, a couple of mesmers and a spirit ranger. it’ll just be like solo roaming in WvW

tbh, been playing more sPvP lately rather than WvW.

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Posted by: Tarsius.3170

Tarsius.3170

WvW depends, as ever, entirely on the matchup and tier of your server.

In the mid tier you can have a lot of fun roaming although there are definitely certain profession/builds that are nigh impossible to counter currently ( like PU mesmer and the usual engi and necro culprits ).

I don’t think much if anything has changed from a Healway perspective – but as others have said, the meditation route is a bit more fun that in used to be ( and could have been great if they hadn’t screwed up the new heal skill )

I’ve seen ALOT more roaming/DPS guardians since MF was changed and traveller/speed runes became useful ( On my current server it often felt like I was the only one until after the patch ).

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Posted by: Amins.3710

Amins.3710

Nothing has changed for the Guardian specifically. Condi meta is still there, but it’s not as bad as other classes have been brought down.

The Guardian is still the vision of balance, for which they maneuver every other class around…. so I don’t think the Guardian will ~EVER~ see any changes worthwhile….

I rolled a Warrior for fun over new years… took about 10 min from start to finish.

The difference truly is staggering. A damage Warrior vs damage Guardian… there is ZERO comparison. The survivability, mobility, damage negation…

On all fronts too, 1v1’s, small groups, 5v15+, blob vs blob…. Ofcourse, I enjoy throwing myself into those crazy 5vs10+ scenarios’ and I could never survive that w/ a DPS Meditation Guard…. or rather, I was allways the guy kiting the group of angry 6+ on me and constantly having to rely on my grp to rally me…. as Mediation / DPS guards lack survivability…. severely.

So to answer your question… No, nothing has changed w/ the Guardian. Things have changed w/ other classes.

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Posted by: Crapgame.6519

Crapgame.6519

If that is the primary meta of play then I’ll second what Amins said and that is just about the Guardian class. Now factor in the borked up Season One results, staggering mismatch of servers (population vs. time zone coverage), and zero incentives to run outside the bait ball; it is about dead in my personal opinion.

I honestly was hoping it would last more than a year but it doesn’t seem the focus is on the WvW mechanics of the game. I’m probably biased though in that I came from DaOC which back in 2001 supported more players on the screen than this game client does today. Not only that their web portal for player statistics was amazing with weekly and monthly class, guild, alliances, and other things listing with the top 25 yet still allowing searches for your own character.

Sure, the game looks really nice. Leveling isn’t bad. It still allows one to escape reality (I still log in more than I should I’d wager). But if you play only one meta and its WvW then I say its dead (yes, I’ve tried the mist map and found it rather, boring).

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Posted by: Lonewolf Kai.3682

Lonewolf Kai.3682

If that is the primary meta of play then I’ll second what Amins said and that is just about the Guardian class. Now factor in the borked up Season One results, staggering mismatch of servers (population vs. time zone coverage), and zero incentives to run outside the bait ball; it is about dead in my personal opinion.

I honestly was hoping it would last more than a year but it doesn’t seem the focus is on the WvW mechanics of the game. I’m probably biased though in that I came from DaOC which back in 2001 supported more players on the screen than this game client does today. Not only that their web portal for player statistics was amazing with weekly and monthly class, guild, alliances, and other things listing with the top 25 yet still allowing searches for your own character.

Sure, the game looks really nice. Leveling isn’t bad. It still allows one to escape reality (I still log in more than I should I’d wager). But if you play only one meta and its WvW then I say its dead (yes, I’ve tried the mist map and found it rather, boring).

Amen to that brother. Here’s hoping ESO will bring back that old DaOC flavor.
/mugtoast

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Posted by: Crapgame.6519

Crapgame.6519

Going to try that Beta this weekend or so I hope Also I see that the rumor mill is going full steam with the V.I.P data mined info. Very well could be the nail in the coffin for many although most of the items seem rather useless.

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Hárvey Wallbanger – Alt Warrior (Ehmry Bay)

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Posted by: oZii.2864

oZii.2864

Going to try that Beta this weekend or so I hope Also I see that the rumor mill is going full steam with the V.I.P data mined info. Very well could be the nail in the coffin for many although most of the items seem rather useless.

It is not for NA markets Dev responded about the datamined VIP. As in people overreacted as per usual in MMO’s

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/VIP-Membership/page/5#post3474276

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Posted by: Lonewolf Kai.3682

Lonewolf Kai.3682

Going to try that Beta this weekend or so I hope Also I see that the rumor mill is going full steam with the V.I.P data mined info. Very well could be the nail in the coffin for many although most of the items seem rather useless.

Let me know how it turns out. I’d especially love to hear how it is from a DAoC vet.

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Posted by: Crapgame.6519

Crapgame.6519

Going to try that Beta this weekend or so I hope Also I see that the rumor mill is going full steam with the V.I.P data mined info. Very well could be the nail in the coffin for many although most of the items seem rather useless.

It is not for NA markets Dev responded about the datamined VIP. As in people overreacted as per usual in MMO’s

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/VIP-Membership/page/5#post3474276

Yep, saw it. Also note I said “could be” not that it really matters. The problem for me is I only play the WvW side of the game and it isn’t in a great state right now. It doesn’t mean you can’t have fun or escape reality like I’ve mentioned before. But if everyone (including designer and developers) was being honest we’d all admit it is borked.

Doesn’t mean they can’t right the problem but the longer it goes on the more difficult it becomes.

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Johnny Johnny – Ranger (Ehmry Bay)
Hárvey Wallbanger – Alt Warrior (Ehmry Bay)