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Posted by: joffmonk.1285

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I’m trying to use this build but i cant seem to get my crit higher than 26% without dropping a lot of hit points

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3|1.1g.h1l|2.1g.h1b|1c.b1j.1c.b1j.1c.b1j.1c.b1j.1c.71j.1c.71j|1g.64.1g.64.1c.67.1c.67.1p.67.1c.64|0.0.u56b.k28.k29|2m.1|e

i considered moving points into radiance but the first minor talent would be detrimental to having a lot of retaliation procs, misses = no returned damage so I’m kinda stumped.
any advice would be extremely helpful coz i been over this a lot over the last few days and just cant seem to suss it out

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Posted by: crewthief.8649

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Well…you have to be willing to compromise. You can’t have both really high HP and really high crit rate. I run Knights armor with a mix of Valkyrie and Knights trinkets (further mixed and matched jewels) and Berzerker weapons (currently Hammer/GS). I’ve got around 55% crit and 62% crit damage (buffed w/ food), +3K armor, and around 16.3K HP. I run a 0/5/30/30/5 AH build and have absolutely no issue with survival. On top of that, I dish out quite alot of damage with high crit and the burstiness of Hammer (Mighty Blow), mixed with the great sustained from constantly critting Whirling Wrath. You have to take into account all the additional tools for survival, that you posses as a Guardian (specced properly). In my opinion and experience, a properly built Guardian really doesn’t HAVE to have alot of HP to lean on…the survivability is built in through traits and utility skills.

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Posted by: Crenshinabon.7295

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Your hp is a bit high for a guardian anyways. Roll with 15k hp. Replace soldiers with more knights. You keep the power and toughness but gain crit. You just have way too much soldier gear. Replace most of it with knights and you will like the results. Replacing all 6 gear pieces with knights nets you about 10% more crit and you lose only 2k hp.

Not to mention those divinity runes are meh at best.

Compare your divinity rune to an berzerker orb.

+5 power, +5 precision, +5 condition damage, +5 toughness, +5 vitality, +5 healing power, +2% critical damage

+20 power, +14 precision, +2% critical damage

You losing 5 toughness (which if you get more knights you will make up for)
Losing 5 condition damage (meh)
Losing 5 healing (very meh)
Lose 5 vitality (already discussed)
Gain 15 power
Gain 10 Precision

Multiply this by 6 for 6 slots.
You gain 90 power and 60 precision right there.

Thats like 3% more crit chance on just the gems.

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Posted by: Danicco.3568

Danicco.3568

Without any drastic changes to your Sigil/Traits: http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3|1.1n.h1l|2.1g.h1b|1c.71j.1c.71j.1c.71j.1c.71j.1c.71j.1c.71j|1n.67.1n.67.1n.67.1c.67.1c.67.1c.67|0.0.u56b.k28.k29|2m.1|e

This one I changed the Traits and Sigil: http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3|1.1n.h1|2.1g.h1l|1c.71j.1c.71j.1c.71j.1c.71j.1c.71j.1c.71j|1n.67.1n.67.1n.67.1c.67.1c.67.1c.67|a2.0.u56b.u289.0|2m.1|e

You’ll notice you have way better defense/offense with the second build, though you don’t keep your 20 points in Virtues… which are kinda a waste in my opinion.
If you’re making a Retaliation build for PvE farming, you don’t even need to get traits that improve Retaliation, just raw power and the Greatsword’s Symbol of Wrath is more than enough for farming.

I use this build for farming: http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/guardian/?3|1.1n.h1|6.1k.h1f|1c.7c.1c.7c.1c.7c.1c.7c.1c.7c.1c.7c|1c.61.1c.61.1c.61.1c.61.1c.61.1c.67|u27c.0.a6.u2a9.0|2m.1|e with either 30/0/10/30 or 10/0/30/30.
Symbol healing and Zealous Blade are enough to keep me up even when I pull 10~ or more, if things get pretty bad (if the mobs don’t die for some reason), I pull the Staff and Line of Warding, Orb of Light detonating in myself, then Empower, Symbol of Swiftness, Symbol of Wrath (when the swap CD is done) and Whirling Wrath.
This pretty much kills anything non-champion/veteran at 80, and leaves most Veterans with 25%~50% health.

If you really like pulling way too much, like 20+ (though I find hard to find places where you can pull that many easily) you can go 10/0/30/30 with either Monk’s Focus or Altruistic Healing.

With the Zeal build, most Risen (if you’re Orr farming) dies with two Symbols (Staff + Greatsword) + Whirling Wrath and one or two attacks.
With the Valor build, you need a 1~3 more attacks, but you get way more survivability if you like playing dangerously.

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Posted by: mrauls.6519

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Your hp is a bit high for a guardian anyways. Roll with 15k hp. Replace soldiers with more knights. You keep the power and toughness but gain crit. You just have way too much soldier gear. Replace most of it with knights and you will like the results. Replacing all 6 gear pieces with knights nets you about 10% more crit and you lose only 2k hp.

Not to mention those divinity runes are meh at best.

Compare your divinity rune to an berzerker orb.

+5 power, +5 precision, +5 condition damage, +5 toughness, +5 vitality, +5 healing power, +2% critical damage

+20 power, +14 precision, +2% critical damage

You losing 5 toughness (which if you get more knights you will make up for)
Losing 5 condition damage (meh)
Losing 5 healing (very meh)
Lose 5 vitality (already discussed)
Gain 15 power
Gain 10 Precision

Multiply this by 6 for 6 slots.
You gain 90 power and 60 precision right there.

Thats like 3% more crit chance on just the gems.

Post a screenshot of your character’s stats

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Posted by: Crenshinabon.7295

Crenshinabon.7295

Here ya go.
One of my rings is still a green item which will boost my crit damage up a few %s once i finally get an upgrade.

This is also with no food/oil.

This is basically a build I can use in any situation pvp or pve.

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Posted by: mrauls.6519

mrauls.6519

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I’d say your critical chance is too high. I run with 29% critical chance without food or oils, and when I do it’s boosted to higher than 40%. It looks like you’re aiming to deal a good amount of damage while still having good survivability, which is just what I’m doing. There’s nothing wrong with sub 15k health pools, but your toughness is below 3,000. You’re taking between 3~6% more damage than I am at above 3,000. I know you said you still have a green ring, but most of my stats would still be higher than yours, even with an exotic ring.

I’m only suggesting this, but look into changing a couple pieces of your gear. Soldier’s gear provides a lot of what a guardian needs. Aim to survive, support, and pump good damage.

Give some thought to what I’m saying. I wish you the best in what you choose to do. Good luck fellow Guardian

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Posted by: Crenshinabon.7295

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I do agree I would like a tad more tankyness. The more I think about it Ill prob replace the green zerker ring with an exotic/ascended soldier ring to make up for my hp/armor. Will boost me closer to 3k armor and 17k hp.

While I agree with that, I do feel 29% is just too low for me to count on. 35-40% seems to be sweet spot for me to see the amount of crits I like without having to worry about food/oil.

Once i swap out green zerker ring crit will be around 36% or so which will be ideal for me. And then I could even use the food to boost my power insted of having to worry about my crit chance so much.

Just my thoughts. =P

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Posted by: joffmonk.1285

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wow thanks for the feedback guys, gonna have plenty to read and figure out at college today
/hug community :P

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Posted by: Yramrag.3026

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I have been running full Knights with Soldier runes, with berserk trinkets and weapons. I think I am quite happy with my survivability and DPS. My Hammer 2 burst is nice, and I survive pretty well in dungeons.

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Posted by: Harbinger.8637

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Problem is your gear, you have full P/V/T on your armor. You have to mix. Like so, ya I know I have food and oil buff. Just trying to show it’s possible.

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Posted by: Xhyros.1340

Xhyros.1340

Holy jeez, nice stats Har. What kind of nourishment do you use? What would your base stats look like? Do you use runes, or jewels for their bigger stat boost?