Guild Wars 2

Shootsfoot.9276:

This post can’t possibly be for real.

Ah yeah, nevermind. Looked over his posts and see everybody is scratching their heads at him in the Elementalist forums, too.

Yes, i play Elemental also. And Warrior, Ranger, Engineer. at 80 with exo gear.

I play staff elemental. Fire mainly.
Dagger/Dagger, meleeing with a cloth user ?… most stupid design ever.
And good thing they will nerf it in patch.

I guess iam not playing the Elemental as i should. as iam playing staff and fire.
“Boo, your soo bad player, you need to use all atunements”.
No, they suck for dmg. i have made my elemental into a staff ranged nuker.
I have seen 4k+ crits on autoattack sofar in wvw.
(oh, and its without food buffs and such)

Wonder how long A-net will allow that.
“OMG OMG, hes not playing as we design, he is trying to use Trinity to be something we forbidd…Blasphemy.. Heretic.. Suspend him”

And yes, i still think guardians arent a real guardian class.
No real active defensive playing. Shield is crap with its too long CDs.
Just Boons… Boons. Boons… a buff bot, thats all they are.

Boons, wich other classes also gives.

LOL. i just read another thread, where they say boons will make you get hit harder…
And thieves will simply steal them.

So, you can not play active defender (too long cds).
And all you have is Boons.. permanent.

And now they want to make boons into a big Disadvantage.

As i said.. Why do they even call this class: Guardian.

eldain stenlund.4306:

LOL. i just read another thread, where they say boons will make you get hit harder…
And thieves will simply steal them.

So, you can not play active defender (too long cds).
And all you have is Boons.. permanent.

And now they want to make boons into a big Disadvantage.

As i said.. Why do they even call this class: Guardian.

Warriors are getting a grand master trait that grants them 3% extra damage per boon on you.

Thieves are getting an add on to flanking strike to steal one boon for one initiative and since flanking strike already costs 4 initiative it seems like the will be spending 5 initiative just to remove 2 of your boons. That’s assuming you get hit with both boon removing moves.
It’s only on on the sword dagger weapon set, how often do you die to a s/d thief? A s/d thief removing your boons will also struggle to have enough init to CnD and daze you often.

It’s hardly the end of the world.

Lalnuir.4957:

eldain stenlund.4306:

LOL. i just read another thread, where they say boons will make you get hit harder…
And thieves will simply steal them.

So, you can not play active defender (too long cds).
And all you have is Boons.. permanent.

And now they want to make boons into a big Disadvantage.

As i said.. Why do they even call this class: Guardian.

Warriors are getting a grand master trait that grants them 3% extra damage per boon on you.

Thieves are getting an add on to flanking strike to steal one boon for one initiative and since flanking strike already costs 4 initiative it seems like the will be spending 5 initiative just to remove 2 of your boons. That’s assuming you get hit with both boon removing moves.
It’s only on on the sword dagger weapon set, how often do you die to a s/d thief? A s/d thief removing your boons will also struggle to have enough init to CnD and daze you often.

It’s hardly the end of the world.

I actually HOPE they make this nerf happen.
Maybe they fix Sword skills for thieves also at the same time, to realy get it to work.

as you said. how often do you die to a sword thief… buff it to give more viable weapon options for the thief.

I read other topics now as we close into patch.
As soon as it was “boons might get a Disadvantage”.

People came out spitting on the floor and look angry.

It just shows i was right from start.
Guardians arent guardians, they are simply boring boon bots.

And now… o please. I HOPE they make this patch into a boon disadvantage.
Because, that way A-net are also forced into making the guardian more Active on its defense. and not only have to care about.. “do i have all boons on me and my friends”.

I also REALY REALY hope they give this to other classes also.
“increased dmg against boons”

eldain stenlund.4306:

Lalnuir.4957:

eldain stenlund.4306:

LOL. i just read another thread, where they say boons will make you get hit harder…
And thieves will simply steal them.

So, you can not play active defender (too long cds).
And all you have is Boons.. permanent.

And now they want to make boons into a big Disadvantage.

As i said.. Why do they even call this class: Guardian.

Warriors are getting a grand master trait that grants them 3% extra damage per boon on you.

Thieves are getting an add on to flanking strike to steal one boon for one initiative and since flanking strike already costs 4 initiative it seems like the will be spending 5 initiative just to remove 2 of your boons. That’s assuming you get hit with both boon removing moves.
It’s only on on the sword dagger weapon set, how often do you die to a s/d thief? A s/d thief removing your boons will also struggle to have enough init to CnD and daze you often.

It’s hardly the end of the world.

I actually HOPE they make this nerf happen.
Maybe they fix Sword skills for thieves also at the same time, to realy get it to work.

as you said. how often do you die to a sword thief… buff it to give more viable weapon options for the thief.

I read other topics now as we close into patch.
As soon as it was “boons might get a Disadvantage”.

People came out spitting on the floor and look angry.

It just shows i was right from start.
Guardians arent guardians, they are simply boring boon bots.

And now… o please. I HOPE they make this patch into a boon disadvantage.
Because, that way A-net are also forced into making the guardian more Active on its defense. and not only have to care about.. “do i have all boons on me and my friends”.

I also REALY REALY hope they give this to other classes also.
“increased dmg against boons”

Nice rant.

I propose that the guardian be removed from the role of “boon heavy” melee class and reworked into another mechanic.

They said they wanted us to feel strong when we had boons up. Now I will just feel like an IDIOT when I have boons up.

Having other classes who can specifically destroy us is just fine, but we need a way to be a literal “guardian”. When we die so easily, the class becomes a joke:

“I’ll defend you! Ugh… Oh, I died faster than you would have anyway. GG”.

The guardian is going to require major rework after this Tuesday and I hope the developers have it down as a priority.

Why have a class that relies on boons then make it so other classes can completely destroy them? It seems rather strong.

Why put blocks in the game if they can be bypassed? Doesn’t it seem like, “Here, use this block but, haha not really!”?

eldain stenlund.4306:

I actually HOPE they make this nerf happen.
Maybe they fix Sword skills for thieves also at the same time, to realy get it to work.

as you said. how often do you die to a sword thief… buff it to give more viable weapon options for the thief.

So far the only buff mentioned for the sword is to fix the tracking on the second attack of flanking strike, no grantee they’ll fix it properly. Even if they do just means you might have to dodge the second hit of flanking strike instead of just strafing.

eldain stenlund.4306:

I read other topics now as we close into patch.
As soon as it was “boons might get a Disadvantage”.

People came out spitting on the floor and look angry.

It just shows i was right from start.
Guardians arent guardians, they are simply boring boon bots.

And now… o please. I HOPE they make this patch into a boon disadvantage.
Because, that way A-net are also forced into making the guardian more Active on its defense. and not only have to care about.. “do i have all boons on me and my friends”.

Boons won’t be a disadvantage for the majority of situations. The only boon hate so far will be one trait that not all warriors take and one weapon set that not all thieves take. Boons will still be an advantage.

eldain stenlund.4306:

I also REALY REALY hope they give this to other classes also.
“increased dmg against boons”

Possible but unlikely to happen in the near future. I haven’t heard anything about adding boon hate to other classes it seems to be a warrior only thing. They have mentioned possibly adding more boon stealing to other thief weapon sets it depends how the mug nerf hits them and how well the boon stealing on s/d turns out.

Svarty.8019:

Nice rant.

I propose that the guardian be removed from the role of “boon heavy” melee class and reworked into another mechanic.

They said they wanted us to feel strong when we had boons up. Now I will just feel like an IDIOT when I have boons up.

Having other classes who can specifically destroy us is just fine, but we need a way to be a literal “guardian”. When we die so easily, the class becomes a joke:

“I’ll defend you! Ugh… Oh, I died faster than you would have anyway. GG”.

The guardian is going to require major rework after this Tuesday and I hope the developers have it down as a priority.

Why have a class that relies on boons then make it so other classes can completely destroy them? It seems rather strong.

Why put blocks in the game if they can be bypassed? Doesn’t it seem like, “Here, use this block but, haha not really!”?

Sorry but I think you are over reacting a little. These proposed changes are not going to destroy the guardian class and require an entire rework. The boon-heavy warrior style will still work.

You still gain all the advantages of having your boons up, that part is not being taken away. A warrior will also do more damage to you if you have no boons up than if you had all 8 boons up. The change will allow their damage to still be a threat to you when you have protection up rather than oops I face tanked hundred blades oh well I’ll still kill this warrior.

As for the unblockable attacks they will come from activating a signet. Just means if your fighting a warrior with that signet you’ll have to pay attention to when you use your heal.

Boon hate and the 3 unblockable signet ability both need to be traited for, which means those people that do that will have to give something else up in their build just for that. Also you guys are making mountains out of mole hills before actually seeing what the patch will bring, and how the new changes will affect us. I know I’m not the only one who’s unafraid of these changes, just because it’ll be pretty easy to spot who the boon haters / signet warriors will be.

Called guardian because we are guardians to all the orphans in GW2

OP, what name find you more fitting than?

FloXun.1456:

OP, what name find you more fitting than?

Better fitting name: Boon bot.

Thats what guardian is at the moment. nothing more.

They have one thing to think about.
“do i have all boons up”

Nachtz.4930:

By the way, you should suggest to rename the thiefs, since they do not steal anything…

F1 skill: Steal
Just my 2 cents

eldain stenlund.4306:

FloXun.1456:

OP, what name find you more fitting than?

Better fitting name: Boon bot.

Thats what guardian is at the moment. nothing more.

They have one thing to think about.
“do i have all boons up”

Yeah, no. Maybe for your AH support build, but not for me. Guardian’s name is perfect, quit being so mad.

I been reading the OP’s comment and he have a giant mindset issue. He believes that previous experience in videos game will allow him to play almost any game that offers any type of innovation. Think of a braindead twitchy COD player losing in a tactical shooter.

OP please post your gear and videos of your play style. People have a better understand on what you are doing wrong. Anet made a complex game. Deal with it. Most of us hate WoW due to the brain dead gear superiority, reliance on trinity and other grindy mechanics.

Everything you said about the guardian is wrong. Guardian is currently one of the toughest class to kill. High survivability. In the pvp forums, they already rated the Guardian as the third best class in the game. Engineer HGH and d/d Eles takes the top spots.

Retaliation kill majority of melee class. I believe you are not using combo light fields and other skills properly to gain retaliation to troll thevies.

On the side note: Elementalist have 4 atonement. Use them because combo fields and other skills meant for sustain battle. Elementalist being support and dps.

loseridoit.2756:

Guardian is currently one of the toughest class to kill. High survivability. In the pvp forums, they already rated the Guardian as the third best class in the game.

Third best class because they are tough to kill. Let’s see what they give up for that toughness… oh it’s everything including the ability to kill any enemies. Great stuff!

You are wrong…

Any designer that FORCES players to play a special way..

Is a BAD designer.

And if you look at the video interview. the one about the coming patch.

You can clearly see its bad designers / balancers.

When the players asked Questions. “Will you think about.. .. ..”.

They always asked.
“oh yes, we are thinking about that, and its in the future”.
(its a diplomatic answear, made to fool you. “ok they know about it”)…

They have no idea about their own game of how to balance it.
Simply because they started in the wrong end…

They started on the “innovative” end. and are working towards “trinity”.
What they should have done is the opposite. to make everything easier for themselves.

They have painted themself into a corner, and dont realy know how to get out………

Svarty.8019:

loseridoit.2756:

Guardian is currently one of the toughest class to kill. High survivability. In the pvp forums, they already rated the Guardian as the third best class in the game.

Third best class because they are tough to kill. Let’s see what they give up for that toughness… oh it’s everything including the ability to kill any enemies. Great stuff!

they already fix that…. its called retaliation….

they are the third best class because two other classes have OP builds. d/d ele can just run away. HGH condition can add conditions faster than any class can remove it

If they still cannot any other profession, then the guard either bad or put too much stats in tankiness

You are wrong…

Any designer that FORCES players to play a special way..

Is a BAD designer.

about that…

Anet is trying to make this game into an esport with build variety. Esport with build variety is an oxymoron statement. To have an balance game, the designer must restrict choices. A good example of build balance nightmare is guild wars 1

eldain stenlund.4306:

They started on the “innovative” end. and are working towards “trinity”.

They have painted themself into a corner, and dont realy know how to get out………

Trinity is actually a very stupid design. A tank that just stands there and soak damage? I thought bosses should be able to easily slaughter tanks.

This game forces all players to be active in comparison to tank, heal, dps and repeat raids.

I have to admit, Anet did some bad game designs.

Defiant – get rid of it or replace it

loseridoit.2756:

Everything you said about the guardian is wrong. Guardian is currently one of the toughest class to kill. High survivability. In the pvp forums, they already rated the Guardian as the third best class in the game. Engineer HGH and d/d Eles takes the top spots.

I don’t pvp but occasionally i go wvw with my ranger i beat any guardian in duel most try to run away and fail ranger have more cc than guardian you see i can keep up almost permanent cripple as well as some decent snares. the bunkers die in 10-30sec depending on how much vitality they have, and the full zerker ones are a joke those where easy before i hit lvl 80. so exactly how are they so good in pvp? I really can’t see it.

tom.7468:

loseridoit.2756:

Everything you said about the guardian is wrong. Guardian is currently one of the toughest class to kill. High survivability. In the pvp forums, they already rated the Guardian as the third best class in the game. Engineer HGH and d/d Eles takes the top spots.

I don’t pvp but occasionally i go wvw with my ranger i beat any guardian in duel most try to run away and fail ranger have more cc than guardian you see i can keep up almost permanent cripple as well as some decent snares. the bunkers die in 10-30sec depending on how much vitality they have, and the full zerker ones are a joke those where easy before i hit lvl 80. so exactly how are they so good in pvp? I really can’t see it.

This is true good rangers(Mostly,Cond spec) can kill guardians, though most of the time I see a bunker guardian they’re always rolling with a AH build, with PVT Gear, Hammer/GS. Though I have yet to lose against a ranger solo on my bunker. All it ends up to be is either, he/she spams arrows for bleed stacks(short bow) continuously and it becomes a never ending battle, until help arrives from either side(if it’s the type of ranger that has stuff like perma regen.),but still i could hold my own vs 1v2, and even 1v3 or both parties call it quits and just walk away, stalemates. With my other guard speced for DPS (Zerker armor, knights, and soilder trinket mixed, outfited with Beryl jewels) i normally kill almost every solo rangers, unless it’s one of the few rare good ones. Though for PvP they are tough to bring down, and well they’re great for holding points.

tom.7468:

loseridoit.2756:

Everything you said about the guardian is wrong. Guardian is currently one of the toughest class to kill. High survivability. In the pvp forums, they already rated the Guardian as the third best class in the game. Engineer HGH and d/d Eles takes the top spots.

I don’t pvp but occasionally i go wvw with my ranger i beat any guardian in duel most try to run away and fail ranger have more cc than guardian you see i can keep up almost permanent cripple as well as some decent snares. the bunkers die in 10-30sec depending on how much vitality they have, and the full zerker ones are a joke those where easy before i hit lvl 80. so exactly how are they so good in pvp? I really can’t see it.

For one thing, never speak of wvwvw for balance. Anet is really lazy on balance wvwvw. Well, I agree with Anet

Gear, stats, and food buffs cannot be compared to a pvp situation. People own gear with different stats. Nobody can balance a game when one side clearly has an unfair stats advantage.

People who post wvwvw videos and guides of 1 vs many. I am looking at you.

I will only admit these player are superior to an average pvp player if they replicate the same feat in spvp. The area in which Anet actually tries to balance.

i’m going to be honest with you i’ve only hit 80 about 3 days ago (but had badges for full 80 gear) and i’ve got to say, if we had a higher hp pool we would be unbeatable, if the cooldowns of out defensive ability’s were to be shortened we would be irreplaceable

guardians are one of the best classes to bring group utility with there buffs and heals while still outputting a fair amount of damage, i’ve never felt more helpfull to my pvp raids and i main a mesmer

Trinity is actually a very stupid design. A tank that just stands there and soak damage? I thought bosses should be able to easily slaughter tanks.

This game forces all players to be active in comparison to tank, heal, dps and repeat raids.

I have to admit, Anet did some bad game designs.

Defiant – get rid of it or replace it

Trinity is the best way to make a balanced game to start with.
Then after you have the balance solved.
*Tanks are REALY hard to kill, have good Active defense skills, and medium dmg.
*Long Range dps are strong at that, and weak in melee with low hp.
*etc etc.

The common thing, you sacrifice survival, to get ranged skills. or other way.

After this Core balance is made.
You can start being innovative. and walk away from the trinity.
Giving people weird choises like Dagger/Dagger to elemental.
(just dont over buff it, as they have done)

And yes. Tanks are there to take dmg / heat of your friends.
But to make it more active. Dont use taunt, or high aggro skills on tanks.
There are more fun ways to play Active tank.

Interupts, stuns, slows, AoE weakness, Knockbacks.. etc.

And since Shields are supposed to be a Defensive option…
you know, shield – block dmg. etc…
Shield CDs need to be reduced ALOT.

As it is now, if you use shield, you can be an active defender every 30 and 40 second.
(the 2 cds on it). i mean. seriously.

I hope every class get extra dmg against boons soon. or steal them.
That way, perhaps they can actually DO something to fix guardians into more active playing.

Syn.3459:

i’m going to be honest with you i’ve only hit 80 about 3 days ago (but had badges for full 80 gear) and i’ve got to say, if we had a higher hp pool we would be unbeatable, if the cooldowns of out defensive ability’s were to be shortened we would be irreplaceable

guardians are one of the best classes to bring group utility with there buffs and heals while still outputting a fair amount of damage, i’ve never felt more helpfull to my pvp raids and i main a mesmer

Its great that you find Boon boting fun.

I dont. I prefer to play an Active defender. Wich i cant at the moment.

And to reply the *Loseridoit

A-net want to make it into E-sport ??? Seriously ?

“Ok people, here we have XnameX.. He is playing the Boon bot.. sorry, Guardian!!!!”…

“OH LOOK AT THAT, he just shouted up all his boons, and now he is running around Dodgeing to heal his friends… And now, he is running towards his backline again ???
“yes, he just putted up all his boons, and used all his energy to dodge 2 times in row to heal, Now he have to wait for CDs on boons again… “WOW, he is good”………

another idea just popped in my head. of a great way to make shield guardians good at front line.
If you hit enemy, it remove boons.

Myself, i whould rather see this:
“Ok, we have 2 vs 2 here. guardian + elemental is facing of against 2 warriors,
The goal for the warriors is to kill the elemental fast to stop his nuking…
But they have to watch out for that Guardian, they can realy defend an area or friend good with their CCs.

“Ohh, look the warriors are attacking from 2 directions, this will be interesting.

“the guardian just used his sword skill to leap towards a warrior, blinding and rooting him.. giving valuable seconds for the guardian to now run to the elementals aid…
The guardian used a sigil to root the warrior so the elementalist could get away.

“but now, both warriors are charging towards the elementalist…
“Look, the guardian used his shields AoE knockback for close targets, and at the same time give the elemental the protect buff for a few seconds.

etc etc.. active game playing is what i whould want to see. not Boon boting.

To OP: The shield doesn’t block anything unless you tell it to.

You can’t stand there in this game and tank. Use the bazillion skills you have to block, heal, mitigate, reflect.

It’s the twitchiest class in the game imo. If you block at exactly the right time, you can save your entire group. You can watch enemies kill themselves when their projectiles bounce off your barrier back at them. And to top that off, you can switch to staff and drop fifteen stacks of might and heal for 2400 with one skill.

It’s an underplayed class because the damage is not that great, but the utility is insane.

Can you please stop saying “boon bot” before I lose the rest of my brain cells? This isn’t WoW, or Swtor, or whatever MMO you said you play and get all this rediculous terminology from. Everything you’ve said is just… wrong. Guardian is NOT required to play as some kind of buff giver – I mean you can, but you’re rediculous suggesting that they’re required to play in this slot and given the relatively small amount of buffs a guardian can give out I’d find a guardian purely dedicated to giving buffs to be a bit useless. There’s what, empower, retal, 3 seconds of protection, and stability every 40 seconds? What the kitten ever gave you that idea?

Also I had to rub my eyes when you honestly suggested that a guardian is more squishy than a warrior. Have you never seen a bunker guardian, IE potentially the most unkillable kittens in the game without relying on a get out of jail free RTL? Have you actually played the game for long enough to realize that pure EHP does not a tank make? I’d almost call this a troll/bait if I hadn’t seen this kind of brainless tripe in-game.

TL;DR: boon bot yourself in a corner m8

eldain stenlund.4306:

And to reply the *Loseridoit

A-net want to make it into E-sport ??? Seriously ?

“Ok people, here we have XnameX.. He is playing the Boon bot.. sorry, Guardian!!!!”…

“OH LOOK AT THAT, he just shouted up all his boons, and now he is running around Dodgeing to heal his friends… And now, he is running towards his backline again ???
“yes, he just putted up all his boons, and used all his energy to dodge 2 times in row to heal, Now he have to wait for CDs on boons again… “WOW, he is good”………

another idea just popped in my head. of a great way to make shield guardians good at front line.
If you hit enemy, it remove boons.

Myself, i whould rather see this:
“Ok, we have 2 vs 2 here. guardian + elemental is facing of against 2 warriors,
The goal for the warriors is to kill the elemental fast to stop his nuking…
But they have to watch out for that Guardian, they can realy defend an area or friend good with their CCs.

“Ohh, look the warriors are attacking from 2 directions, this will be interesting.

“the guardian just used his sword skill to leap towards a warrior, blinding and rooting him.. giving valuable seconds for the guardian to now run to the elementals aid…
The guardian used a sigil to root the warrior so the elementalist could get away.

“but now, both warriors are charging towards the elementalist…
“Look, the guardian used his shields AoE knockback for close targets, and at the same time give the elemental the protect buff for a few seconds.

etc etc.. active game playing is what i whould want to see. not Boon boting.

Dude… a guardian is not a boon bot. An elementalist is a boon bot. Wrong class description. Managing cd is a skill. Stop trying to break the class into some ridiculous OP build that allows it to solo a guild bounty boss

Dodge is not used to heal. Dodge is use to avoid killing blows.

your scenario is kidda stupid
the warrior would try to kill the d/d elementalist but the ele would run away without any help and the guardian would not die.

Trinity is the best way to make a balanced game to start with.
Then after you have the balance solved.
*Tanks are REALY hard to kill, have good Active defense skills, and medium dmg.
*Long Range dps are strong at that, and weak in melee with low hp.
*etc etc.

The common thing, you sacrifice survival, to get ranged skills. or other way.
After this Core balance is made.

what balance. aggro dont work on humans………. guardians are hard to kill. You gotta LEARN TO PLAY. use AH build. That build heals like crazy
GW2 Dungeons is pretty reactive already. Everyone have to learn the bosses. It not just tanks who have to learn how to migrate dmage

Boons are the only thing keeping the guardian viable, and alive.

Why do you think all these ppl come out now spitting on the floor and looking angry
the second thief is getting boon stealing.. and warriors do more dmg against boons.

You are saying you can stay alive.. without boons. well.. Good luck with that.
Please make me a video of your guardian, using no boons, and staying in middle of fights, or even roaming…OH.. and dont use dodge to heal.. so… go on.. good luck.

Guardians are a Boon bot. plain and simple. no boons up ?, you are crap.
you losing your last braincells reading it… sorry. but its the truth.

And elementalists are getting Nerfed on the DD.
And i think thats GREAT.

And my warrior is going to get a respecc to kill booners.

eldain stenlund.4306:

Boons are the only thing keeping the guardian viable, and alive.

Why do you think all these ppl come out now spitting on the floor and looking angry
the second thief is getting boon stealing.. and warriors do more dmg against boons.

You are saying you can stay alive.. without boons. well.. Good luck with that.
Please make me a video of your guardian, using no boons, and staying in middle of fights, or even roaming…OH.. and dont use dodge to heal.. so… go on.. good luck.

Guardians are a Boon bot. plain and simple. no boons up ?, you are crap.
you losing your last braincells reading it… sorry. but its the truth.

And elementalists are getting Nerfed on the DD.
And i think thats GREAT.

And my warrior is going to get a respecc to kill booners.

Guardian boon uptime does not compare to an elementalist which are true boon bots. Their combo feilds allow every ally to get boons while a guard access is limited

obviously you have a mindset issue op

http://www.twitch.tv/jaxsilven/b/371165571

watch his streams. he is actually funny

loseridoit.2756:

Trinity is actually a very stupid design. A tank that just stands there and soak damage? I thought bosses should be able to easily slaughter tanks.

I think bosses are a stupid design. What’s so special about them that they managed to obtain immunity from crowd control in exchange for having to stand in the same room until the end of time?

I don’t play for the e-sport here nor do I in any other game. Aren’t there other games out there that don’t run on a Trinity? I’d guess some FPS?

I enjoy the fact that there is not a tank and healer here, and also that there is not a DPS meter. Guardian may not be the best name for the class but throwing around puddles of Protection for melee makes me feel like a guardian…

The reason why guardians have 10k base hp and warriors have 16k is because the guardian has such a high base toughness and so many defensive skills and boons, if they did raise their base hp they would be unkillable (they’re already pretty hard to kill as it is)

eldain stenlund.4306:

Boons are the only thing keeping the guardian viable, and alive.

This is a great thread. Here I thought dodge, my almost 100% heal and blocks were keeping me alive and my skill as a player and build flexibility keeping me viable. Now I find out that it’s just temporary effects were doing all that.

Svarty.8019:

loseridoit.2756:

Trinity is actually a very stupid design. A tank that just stands there and soak damage? I thought bosses should be able to easily slaughter tanks.

I think bosses are a stupid design. What’s so special about them that they managed to obtain immunity from crowd control in exchange for having to stand in the same room until the end of time?

I agree

I also wrote that Anet made some stupid design called defiant

Defiant is the ability for bosses to be immune from cc effects

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Defiant

Learn to read my posts although I admit I wrote it on a rush.

i do use give out boons at times that are appropriate to help relieve the pressure some of my allies are receiving at times. though, that’s not to say, that’s the only thing we have going. we have plenty more. and each and every player on ehre is able to find their own niche of how they want to play their Guard and go about it. and they have fun with it. some go pure DPS. believe me, i’ve seen or gone against Guards who can drop you faster than a backstab thief can. on the other end of the spectrum i’ve seen Guards be taking on 4x 5x their numbers and hold out until their allies arrive. more often than not, these Guards health barely seems to drop. it doesn’t matter they have low health, because they took the time to understand and learn how to play the class. the same will go for any class in this game.

sure, we all have a definition of what a Guardian might be or is supposed to be like. can i not see the class as a Guardian of Tyria, a Guardian against all that is evil? so, he vanquishes all that stands in his way. in my mind, that is my Guardian. and yes, i will heal my allies when i can, give them protection when i can, but first and foremost, i will kill anything that is harming them or myself, and thus, guarding the kitten out of this world – whether is be WvW, PvP, PvE…

@ OP- I’ve been following this precious thread for a while, and I’m going to reiterate and add a few things to what has already been said. I am going to assume this is not a troll thread. I also don’t want to be a “politician” so I am going to be plain.

1. Don’t go into a game expecting it to be the same as the others, with similar classes and skills. You are comparing GW2 to other MMOs. What you’re doing is the equivalent of going to a mountain resort during summer and getting mad because there is no snow.

2. Every profession in GW2 has an optimal build. It just so happens that Guardians are the most successful as “boon bots;” so be it. If you don’t like it, don’t play it. ANet does not need to change the profession. Most people enjoy it as is.

3. Warriors are meat shields. Guardians are not. You previously stated you run zerker with your warrior. If you want a meat shield, you are not running your warrior correctly. But then again, there is no trinity in this game. Warriors may simply be better meat shields than Guardians- that’s all I am saying.

3. As stated by Yamsandjams, it’s a name. Pretend Guardians are called “Hairdressers” if it makes you feel better. That way they are tankier than you would expect them to be.

4. The fact that you only run Fire attunement with your elementist because you want to do damage shows me you’re not a good player, and you are unable to adapt to your opponent. This is also confirmed by the fact that you don’t run d/d. I am not saying ele’s have to run d/d, but it’s a great build and every good elementist at least appreciates its effectiveness.

5. Based on your descriptions of Guardian skills and how they aid your group, I’m gonna go ahead and assume a) the people you play with suck or b) you’re not a great Guardian. So get better, learn, and understand how to play before calling for Guardians to be completely changed.

6. If all of the above fail, go back to playing Warhammer or WoW. ANet already got your $60 bucks, and nobody will care.

eldain stenlund.4306:

1) protection. People move around. making symbols on ground crap.
2) aegis boon. 60 and 90 Sec CD. for 1 hit use each. any kind of hit.
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Simply put. This far.
I dont find anything about this class to LEGALY name it Guardian.

I dont find anything about this class to LEGALY name it Guardian.[/quote]
man listen to me:
guardian has a lot of problems but arent these you metioned.
We have a lack of range and of damage but all is justified by:
1)aegis: you ignore the utility of this boon. each aegis give you: 1attack dodge, 1stack of might, heal and burn enemies (if you well trait that). Do you think is enough for a single boon?
2)G-U-A-R-D-I-A-N mean that: you can heal party (you can with virtue, 6 and some utilities), you can protect the party (you can with virtue and utilities), you can give offensive/defensive general purpose boon to party (you can with virtue, utilities and elite)
3) guardian is very resistent (more than a warrior for sure). 22k hp isn’t enough if you cant heal for at least 50% of you total healt. Guardian has around 12k base hp but you can heal for 8+k only with the 6skill … 70+% of your health with a skill is enough for you? anyway guardian have a lot of defensive boon (aegis, protection, regeneration) and you can stack them in a lot of ways