why symbolic guard isn't in the meta for wvw?
cause in wvw there are no bases to take (aoe taking) and aoe’s are easy to dodge especially our small symbols.
cause in wvw there are no bases to take (aoe taking) and aoe’s are easy to dodge especially our small symbols.
^ This.
Conquest forces people to fight on or around a point so a symbolic guard with those big symbols does really well. WvW is open field and no one is forcing the enemy to stand around your perma symbols.
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It would work if symbols were more like an aura or followed your footsteps like warrior’s torch skill.
Guardian is meant for jolly crusading.
U can roam good with symbolic …I’ve done some good 1vsX with it …but u need stab.
I’m was running valor virtues DH and it was very effective.
Typically Power Symbolic is a heavy bruiser build that does exceptionally well in groups and against other melee type classes. It also performs exceptional vs Condi cheese classes.
The main reason why it’s not used is probably because WvW guilds prefer Power LB’s group utility and backline CC and/or dps. Which is understandable considering there’s not a whole lot of consistent Range DPS classes unless you go power ranger.. but that class can’t hold his own in skirmish fights like DH.
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It’s about scaling and mobility. Weapons like scepter and focus scale very poorly in larger fights; scepter being mostly single target and projectile weapons being useless due to the large amount of projectile hate spam that is possible. Focus doing not much of anything with 3 blocks being gone in an instant. Shout builds also scale better than meditation builds which are naturally more self centered. And of course, nobody can stand in one place for long because even 20 weak things like symbols of swiftness are going to kill someone.
The current wvw meta involves running around in a tight ball with boon and condi spam. Shouts scale better with more people, especially AOE stability which guardians have a lot of, in partciular the f3 which breaks allies out of stuns.
On the condi side, the guardian purging flames not only clears condis, but does some burn damage without need for invest, but it works nice with necro epidemics.
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https://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Guardian_-_Merciful_Frontline
May not be exactly what you’re looking for, but the build does make use of symbolic healing.
Scepter will get you obliterated in WvW.
As will trying to outheal 80 autoattacks.
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cause in wvw there are no bases to take (aoe taking) and aoe’s are easy to dodge especially our small symbols.
^^
As stated already above, cause of this.
Also because you have better options available for every aspect of symbol build. Burst deeps is outdone by LB / GS DH and medi burn, sustain is outdone by both DH and classic guard variants to great degree with additional team benefits that symbol builds do not have. So why run symbols ?
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Hi guys is there any good solo roaming build for core guard or DH with greatsword? Not sure if i want to use LB again so it could be GS+SW/SH… thanks
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You can run symbolic in wvw if you do roaming. The cleanse on block is good for handling the abudance of condi in wvw roamer classes. it’s very common to run into condi warriors, condi revs, condi mesmers, condi necros, condi thfs. so having superior cleansing is a big plus. make sure to run tankier stats with healing so you can get the most out of your heal on aegis and so you don’t get wrecked by 2v1s. sentry points are small enough that your symbol spam usually wins you the cap. for all other objectives you have to rely on scepter dps so make good use of immob and your spear pull. switch sword for mace as mace provides you with substantial sustain and provides two blocks that will cleanse and heal with a symbolic build.
i tried to run zealots stats but the lack of toughness made it very difficult to survive the occasional zerg showing up to ruin my day. so instead i used the minstrel stats from the meta wvw boon bot build. with enough boon duration and the shout trait you can get perma swiftness. retreat will cleanse two condis. one on use and another on block. with minstrel stats i was able to survive zergs. you have to run of course but if you cycle your blocks you can survive up to 4 or 5 chasing you. don’t expect to survive a blob that is adamant on killing you.
if you run into a friendly zerg and you wana hang with them for a bit you can quickly repurpose your build by slotting in save yourselves, contemplation and stand your ground. syg is obvious what it’s for and you use sy for picking up your group’s condis and then getting rid of them by using cp. you can do additional cleansing if you take virtues. i take virtues anyway instead of valor because stab has a lot of value in wvw. the good thing about taking virtues over valor is that it makes it easier to be of use to a friendly zerg on the fly as well as being useful while solo roaming thanks to the additional 3 condi cleanses for f2 and the stab and stunbreak on f3.
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