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I agree…..so i wont be playing mesmer right now…..wont be forced in a condition build

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I am more than a little disappointed in some of the nerfs.
the trait changes didnt impact me too much since i run a shatter build but it basically talked me out of changing my traits around to try anything else. So much for diversity.

The nerf to sword was pretty brutal if you ask me. I dont feel like the sword auto attack was particularly high in dps relative to a lot of other classes for the risk involved in being in melee range. The nerf to sword 2 skill was even worse. I wouldnt have minded one or the other but both of the changes make it pretty harsh.

Why did they nerf sirens call underwater. Most ppl loathe underwater combat and you just crapped on the one thing mesmers did reeeeally well underwater. Being able to stack 25 bleeds was essential to underwater combat for me and it sounds like that will be a lot harder now.

I don’t like shatter specs.
With that said I’ll be rolling another class until my beloved mesmer has another option available to it.

I am sitting here trying to stop the bleeding from my kitten from all the diversity they have bestowed upon us. As it is, it is going to be a while before I can sit down again…

(On a serious note: Thanks Pyro, I think your words pretty much sum up how must of us feel about now)

like i tried saying before the thread got moved, you just perfectly and objectively summarized what i was thinking… and the majority of the mesmer community.

idlike to keep the negativity out of this thread to increase chances its kept, becuase the last thing we need right now is objective posts like this being buried in the merged posts.

however, heres a fact that bothers me: they wanted to help us, increase build diversity. they failed.

cheers,
Alissah’

edit: i was, by the way, very very excited for this patch, especailly the build diversity and revamping useless traits. i even dreamt about how it would be if all useless traits gotreplaced by usefull ones! especially when they said in that preview article “wewont be nerfing things because it does more harm than good, instead were buffing new traits!”
ok, ill stop now.

Well said, Pyro.

But I think it’s a mistake is to think that most of the nerf’s had anything to do with build diversity. I think that ANet decided that there were a disproportionately high number of mesmers in the game which much mean that mesmers were OP.

It couldn’t possibly be that PvE is so broken that Portal is the only caster skill that has any value.

Back to my shatter build it is then!

Really don’t think ANet read the forums at all. There have been many excellent suggestions across the forum , not just about build changes but in all aspects of the game, and Anet keep proving to ignore everything suggested and implement their own half baked ideas.

First post… shows how bad I feel these changes are, eh? These changes would be much more accepted if ANET staff would elaborate on them. Why not send a dev to have a civil discussion with the community regarding the changes? Even better, if this happened in all class forums.

Izerker got fixed, bouncing got fixed. These were two HUGE issues from Mesmers for the last months. The thread on I zerker is somewhere around 170 pages long. And now thakittens fixed the general Mesmer consensus is “whatever you should have fixed it anyways” Most people said “Just fix the bugs, before anything else”. Well they fixed the bugs.

People are over reacting as usual. In a day or two you will all be back playing your mesmers, trying the new builds. And there are new variety in builds. They buffed interrupts, and I know in the 2 hours since the patch no one has mastered this. But maybe give it a day or two to figure it out? Prismatic Understanding was buffed. I see a lot of possibilities with the new traits. If all you guys want to do is hammer, everything is going to look like a nail.

That whole paragraph could be summarized by saying . We are mad you moved our 5 point trait. Oh and we don’t like what you did with blurred frenzy. These changes don’t ruin anything. The sky is not falling.

building diversity my @ss.. they are just killing off phantasm build..

p.s. the only feature of this class is clone and phantom.. now phantom are dead.. clone? they now die faster in pvp.. which means people can one shot em easy before you can shatter.. gj anet

I fully agree with Pyroatheist. This patch has brought us nothing but massive nerfs and minor bugfixes that should have been fixed much earlier.

To me ArenaNet wants to promote build diversity by destroying build diversity.

Regarding Mesmer build diversity, ANet’s intention can be summed up as: ‘GO SHATTER OR GO HOME’

For Mesmers this patch has been the biggest failure since this game launched in my opinion.

Time to move on to another game just as soon as one is available because Anet just couldn’t give a hoot.

Your post was well put Pyro but i very much doubt Anet will give it a second glance.

Jester.1236:

Izerker got fixed, bouncing got fixed. These were two HUGE issues from Mesmers for the last months. The thread on I zerker is somewhere around 170 pages long. And now thakittens fixed the general Mesmer consensus is “whatever you should have fixed it anyways” Most people said “Just fix the bugs, before anything else”. Well they fixed the bugs.

People are over reacting as usual. In a day or two you will all be back playing your mesmers, trying the new builds. And there are new variety in builds. They buffed interrupts, and I know in the 2 hours since the patch no one has mastered this. But maybe give it a day or two to figure it out? Prismatic Understanding was buffed. I see a lot of possibilities with the new traits. If all you guys want to do is hammer, everything is going to look like a nail.

That whole paragraph could be summarized by saying . We are mad you moved our 5 point trait. Oh and we don’t like what you did with blurred frenzy. These changes don’t ruin anything. The sky is not falling.

Buffing interrupts is nice and all but those traits aren’t nearly powerful enough to be useful compared to a shatter build, in PvE at least where bosses have a crappy anti-control mechanic. Nerfing Illusionists Celerity makes it so that in order to get a decrease on our most used skills requires 25 points into a trait line that is useless to non-shatter mesmers. Adding torment to the worst weapon for mesmers is dumb and not reliable in many situations. They shouldn’t be praised for bug fixes because that’s how the skills should have worked in the first place. Making only one build optimal and the rest sub par or completely useless is not how you add “variety”

Edit: Oh and I don’t really mind the blurred frenzy nerf. I think just the CD increase would have been fine but I don’t think people think it’s the worst nerf of the update.

Titanimite.2534:

Agreed Aveneo, ANet is trying to kill the Mesmer

I don’t think they’re trying to kill the Mesmer, I’ll give them that much. I just feel that they’re significantly out of touch with how this class works and what is needed.

/signed

There was already a large reduction in dedicated mesmers in wvw after the confusion nerf, and now this? There will still be mesmers, but mostly just for the utility of veil, portal, and into the void… how boring. We’re a lot more squishy now with the blurred frenzy nerf which means we’ll spend most of the big fights on the defensive… oh joy.

No one knows how powerful the interrupt builds are going to be yet. I doubt in the past few hours anyone has completely geared there character and learned the rotation. The buff to PU was pretty huge. Making a lot of stealth builds even better. The same thing with Torment, you all have been using it for a couple hours tops. Maybe try it for a week before you start condemning it.

They did add diversity. Most of the people complaining are angry because of one trait move. And that’s it.

Jester.1236:

No one knows how powerful the interrupt builds are going to be yet. I doubt in the past few hours anyone has completely geared there character and learned the rotation. The buff to PU was pretty huge. Making a lot of stealth builds even better. The same thing with Torment, you all have been using it for a couple hours tops. Maybe try it for a week before you start condemning it.

They did add diversity. Most of the people complaining are angry because of one trait move. And that’s it.

When I saw the leaked notes, I decided to test interrupts. The problem is that it’s nearly impossible to interrupt a skill with less than .75 second cast time. You can still use a lockdown build or w/e, bu the problem is that the majority of the time you will not actually be getting interrupts.

Jester.1236:

No one knows how powerful the interrupt builds are going to be yet. I doubt in the past few hours anyone has completely geared there character and learned the rotation. The buff to PU was pretty huge. Making a lot of stealth builds even better. The same thing with Torment, you all have been using it for a couple hours tops. Maybe try it for a week before you start condemning it.

They did add diversity. Most of the people complaining are angry because of one trait move. And that’s it.

True, but that trait and the HP of our clones was crucial to any build. We are a clone and phantasm based class after all and both have been nerfed extremely hard.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Jester.1236:

No one knows how powerful the interrupt builds are going to be yet. I doubt in the past few hours anyone has completely geared there character and learned the rotation. The buff to PU was pretty huge. Making a lot of stealth builds even better. The same thing with Torment, you all have been using it for a couple hours tops. Maybe try it for a week before you start condemning it.

They did add diversity. Most of the people complaining are angry because of one trait move. And that’s it.

When I saw the leaked notes, I decided to test interrupts. The problem is that it’s nearly impossible to interrupt a skill with less than .75 second cast time. You can still use a lockdown build or w/e, bu the problem is that the majority of the time you will not actually be getting interrupts.

Yeah, to me interrupts are basically random occurrences. And while many mesmer skills have random elements, you generally don’t build around the random chance that something will happen.

I guess dropping Chaos Storm in a zerg is likely to interrupt something. And a well timed interrupt can kill a heal, but that’s about it.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Jester.1236:

No one knows how powerful the interrupt builds are going to be yet. I doubt in the past few hours anyone has completely geared there character and learned the rotation. The buff to PU was pretty huge. Making a lot of stealth builds even better. The same thing with Torment, you all have been using it for a couple hours tops. Maybe try it for a week before you start condemning it.

They did add diversity. Most of the people complaining are angry because of one trait move. And that’s it.

When I saw the leaked notes, I decided to test interrupts. The problem is that it’s nearly impossible to interrupt a skill with less than .75 second cast time. You can still use a lockdown build or w/e, bu the problem is that the majority of the time you will not actually be getting interrupts.

You tested the build. Without any of the new abilities. Pyro you are one of the best build creators on this forum. I find it hard to believe someone as creative as you cannot work with these buffs, and work around one change.

It’s almost as if they played their own version of “corrupt a wish” with those patchnotes.

- You want to signet of illusions to work reliably?
- Fine, but it will be insignificant boost now!

- You want access to the new condition instead of confusion?
- Fine, but it’s on scepter, and on with completely unpractical way of applying it too! (scepter being still complete crap by design as well)

- You want anything else?
- Fine, but we’ll nerf blurred frenzy just because.

edit:

You tested the build. Without any of the new abilities. Pyro you are one of the best build creators on this forum. I find it hard to believe someone as creative as you cannot work with these buffs, and work around one change.

Read again. He wrote that he was unable to reliably get an interrupt done in the first place with the current skills we have (and I agree here), which does have nothing to do with the rewards for doing so.

Jester.1236:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Jester.1236:

No one knows how powerful the interrupt builds are going to be yet. I doubt in the past few hours anyone has completely geared there character and learned the rotation. The buff to PU was pretty huge. Making a lot of stealth builds even better. The same thing with Torment, you all have been using it for a couple hours tops. Maybe try it for a week before you start condemning it.

They did add diversity. Most of the people complaining are angry because of one trait move. And that’s it.

When I saw the leaked notes, I decided to test interrupts. The problem is that it’s nearly impossible to interrupt a skill with less than .75 second cast time. You can still use a lockdown build or w/e, bu the problem is that the majority of the time you will not actually be getting interrupts.

You tested the build. Without any of the new abilities. Pyro you are one of the best build creators on this forum. I find it hard to believe someone as creative as you cannot work with these buffs, and work around one change.

I tested interrupts themselves. Since I’ve never had a reason to use interrupts before, I didn’t really know how they worked. The results were pretty clear. There are some skills that can be interrupted, but if it has under a .75s cast time, it is impossible to interrupt without simply getting lucky. Some class builds have more of these long skills, warriors come to mind, but most don’t. Since the most basic foundation of an interrupt build —the interrupts-- don’t really function well, the actual build itself can not function all that effectively either.

Agreed. I’m shelving my mesmer. This patch was yet another in a string of disappointments for both this class and this game.

I completely agree. I was heading into this patch completely hoping to spend $100 on gems to try and get that aetherblade rapier that might have been coming out for my mesmer. But after these stupid nurfs that crippled my favorite play style, Arenanet has lost me as a customer.

If they want me back they better make changes and fast.

gvaughn.4163:

Agreed. I’m shelving my mesmer. This patch was yet another in a string of disappointments for both this class and this game.

I’d love to be able to say that I’m shelving my mesmer until fixes are made, but I can’t. I may dabble with alts, but if I don’t play a mesmer, I don’t play this game. I’m not quite ready to throw in the towel yet, and I’m just hoping anet doesn’t do anything to push me towards that even more.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Jester.1236:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Jester.1236:

No one knows how powerful the interrupt builds are going to be yet. I doubt in the past few hours anyone has completely geared there character and learned the rotation. The buff to PU was pretty huge. Making a lot of stealth builds even better. The same thing with Torment, you all have been using it for a couple hours tops. Maybe try it for a week before you start condemning it.

They did add diversity. Most of the people complaining are angry because of one trait move. And that’s it.

When I saw the leaked notes, I decided to test interrupts. The problem is that it’s nearly impossible to interrupt a skill with less than .75 second cast time. You can still use a lockdown build or w/e, bu the problem is that the majority of the time you will not actually be getting interrupts.

You tested the build. Without any of the new abilities. Pyro you are one of the best build creators on this forum. I find it hard to believe someone as creative as you cannot work with these buffs, and work around one change.

I tested interrupts themselves. Since I’ve never had a reason to use interrupts before, I didn’t really know how they worked. The results were pretty clear. There are some skills that can be interrupted, but if it has under a .75s cast time, it is impossible to interrupt without simply getting lucky. Some class builds have more of these long skills, warriors come to mind, but most don’t. Since the most basic foundation of an interrupt build —the interrupts-- don’t really function well, the actual build itself can not function all that effectively either.

Did you test using Chaos Storm or Focus Pulls? Those two, coupled with the occasional F3 shatter provided mounds of boons and extended duration (if you already had the boon) when using bountiful interruption. Now with the “buff” to the trait, there won’t be quite as many boons, just more might and a single random boon.

As effective using those methods were for interrupts, with the changes I can see maintaining very high might stacks using the same build. Haven’t tested it out yet to validate though.

Shatter builds were already terrible for large scale WvW with clones being so fragile, so making them even weaker makes no sense and leads me to believe that all they do is listen to QQ posts about people loosing 1v1s. Mesmers already had it rough and builds were already very limited, this patch helps none of that. There is just not much left for large scale WvW builds. Cheesy useless random interrupt build here I come. They should add a trait for chaos armor to make it interrupt attacks when hit, then maybe.

skcamow.3527:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Jester.1236:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Jester.1236:

No one knows how powerful the interrupt builds are going to be yet. I doubt in the past few hours anyone has completely geared there character and learned the rotation. The buff to PU was pretty huge. Making a lot of stealth builds even better. The same thing with Torment, you all have been using it for a couple hours tops. Maybe try it for a week before you start condemning it.

They did add diversity. Most of the people complaining are angry because of one trait move. And that’s it.

When I saw the leaked notes, I decided to test interrupts. The problem is that it’s nearly impossible to interrupt a skill with less than .75 second cast time. You can still use a lockdown build or w/e, bu the problem is that the majority of the time you will not actually be getting interrupts.

You tested the build. Without any of the new abilities. Pyro you are one of the best build creators on this forum. I find it hard to believe someone as creative as you cannot work with these buffs, and work around one change.

I tested interrupts themselves. Since I’ve never had a reason to use interrupts before, I didn’t really know how they worked. The results were pretty clear. There are some skills that can be interrupted, but if it has under a .75s cast time, it is impossible to interrupt without simply getting lucky. Some class builds have more of these long skills, warriors come to mind, but most don’t. Since the most basic foundation of an interrupt build —the interrupts-- don’t really function well, the actual build itself can not function all that effectively either.

Did you test using Chaos Storm or Focus Pulls? Those two, coupled with the occasional F3 shatter provided mounds of boons and extended duration (if you already had the boon) when using bountiful interruption. Now with the “buff” to the trait, there won’t be quite as many boons, just more might and a single random boon.

As effective using those methods were for interrupts, with the changes I can see maintaining very high might stacks using the same build. Haven’t tested it out yet to validate though.

They still run into the same problem as any other type of interrupt. There are very few skills you can actually interrupt on purpose. Yes, using ItV in a zerg or chaos storm might get you some interrupts (provided they don’t have stability), but ultimately what do those interrupts do? Why would you run that build? For a chance to do still underwhelming damage and stack some boons that you probably already have?

Pyroatheist.9031:

skcamow.3527:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Jester.1236:

Pyroatheist.9031:

Jester.1236:

No one knows how powerful the interrupt builds are going to be yet. I doubt in the past few hours anyone has completely geared there character and learned the rotation. The buff to PU was pretty huge. Making a lot of stealth builds even better. The same thing with Torment, you all have been using it for a couple hours tops. Maybe try it for a week before you start condemning it.

They did add diversity. Most of the people complaining are angry because of one trait move. And that’s it.

When I saw the leaked notes, I decided to test interrupts. The problem is that it’s nearly impossible to interrupt a skill with less than .75 second cast time. You can still use a lockdown build or w/e, bu the problem is that the majority of the time you will not actually be getting interrupts.

You tested the build. Without any of the new abilities. Pyro you are one of the best build creators on this forum. I find it hard to believe someone as creative as you cannot work with these buffs, and work around one change.

I tested interrupts themselves. Since I’ve never had a reason to use interrupts before, I didn’t really know how they worked. The results were pretty clear. There are some skills that can be interrupted, but if it has under a .75s cast time, it is impossible to interrupt without simply getting lucky. Some class builds have more of these long skills, warriors come to mind, but most don’t. Since the most basic foundation of an interrupt build —the interrupts-- don’t really function well, the actual build itself can not function all that effectively either.

Did you test using Chaos Storm or Focus Pulls? Those two, coupled with the occasional F3 shatter provided mounds of boons and extended duration (if you already had the boon) when using bountiful interruption. Now with the “buff” to the trait, there won’t be quite as many boons, just more might and a single random boon.

As effective using those methods were for interrupts, with the changes I can see maintaining very high might stacks using the same build. Haven’t tested it out yet to validate though.

They still run into the same problem as any other type of interrupt. There are very few skills you can actually interrupt on purpose. Yes, using ItV in a zerg or chaos storm might get you some interrupts (provided they don’t have stability), but ultimately what do those interrupts do? Why would you run that build? For a chance to do still underwhelming damage and stack some boons that you probably already have?

It’s a support build using Signet of Inspiration – linked in my signature. It’s the only reason to do it in my opinion. Otherwise yeah what’s the point. Just trying to say that with the “passive” ways to interrupt using skills we typically would in normal game play, I found bountiful interruption useful.

Great post. As I just said elsewhere, I can’t believe Scepter auto-attack and Phantasmal Mage weren’t buffed. This is just getting silly now.

Been testing an interrupt build all afternoon, I’d like to believe it is possible but it feels too clunky. The mantra obviously requires charging, which sucks in and of itself, and the signet requires you to be facing your opponent and has a lame passive. The cooldowns on both these utilities aren’t the best. Assuming you want to maximize your choice of stuns, you have to work in a pistol, which isn’t the best of offhands. You also likely want to invest 30 into Domination and at least 20 into Chaos, but then are left with 10-20 points to put… pretty much nowhere useful. The whole thing lacks finesse and flow and while you can chain-stun people with a lot of luck, you’ll find yourself out of tricks and scrambling to survive. If you had significant burst to accompany the lockdown it might work, but the trees you have to invest in don’t really lend themselves to that.

As Pyroatheist stated, actually interrupting an ability is more like blind luck than a skill-shot and is utterly unreliable. And you’re bending over backwards to interrupt people for what? Maybe 5 might and some random conditions? It doesn’t seem worth it.

let me be sure not to captilaze ever letter, or they will remove my post. More important to keep people from yelling in forems than spending time really balancing classes, lol. This patch can be summed up as Arnet = Fail.

If Mesmer’s are not fixed by the time Oblivion is released im gone.

Sincerly,
A Concerned Mesmer

skcamow.3527:

Did you test using Chaos Storm or Focus Pulls? Those two, coupled with the occasional F3 shatter provided mounds of boons and extended duration (if you already had the boon) when using bountiful interruption. Now with the “buff” to the trait, there won’t be quite as many boons, just more might and a single random boon.

As effective using those methods were for interrupts, with the changes I can see maintaining very high might stacks using the same build. Haven’t tested it out yet to validate though.

How is this a skillful use of interrupts? Right now the things that are viable to interrupts are elites, heals, and classes with extended cast times (engies, guardians and warriors.) I would be happy with being able to reliably interrupt said skills if the cast time would be reset, hell, even a grandmaster trait that makes the interrupted skill go on cooldown for another 10-15 seconds would be nice. Yet it’s available in another 3 seconds. It shouldn’t be a, “oh, let me drop this field down and pull here and there. Maybe I’ll get an interrupt and score some boons” type of situation.

blenheim.6489:

Been testing an interrupt build all afternoon, I’d like to believe it is possible but it feels too clunky. The mantra obviously requires charging, which sucks in and of itself, and the signet requires you to be facing your opponent and has a lame passive. The cooldowns on both these utilities aren’t the best. Assuming you want to maximize your choice of stuns, you have to work in a pistol, which isn’t the best of offhands. You also likely want to invest 30 into Domination and at least 20 into Chaos, but then are left with 10-20 points to put… pretty much nowhere useful. The whole thing lacks finesse and flow and while you can chain-stun people with a lot of luck, you’ll find yourself out of tricks and scrambling to survive. If you had significant burst to accompany the lockdown it might work, but the trees you have to invest in don’t really lend themselves to that.

As Pyroatheist stated, actually interrupting an ability is more like blind luck than a skill-shot and is utterly unreliable. And you’re bending over backwards to interrupt people for what? Maybe 5 might and some random conditions? It doesn’t seem worth it.

Its not worth it, the blind condition from Thief Black Powder works so much better than the Mesmer Interrupt build.

I am now sure that ANet does not know what they want the Mesmer to be.

They had a vision in the beginning, tried to make it true to that vision, then started to change different things as response to different problems. Somewhere along the line, they lost track of what the Mesmer was supposed to be and now they just go with the flow, nerfing and buffing things according to the meta flow.

They also seem to have adopted a pet, in the form of the shatter spec. Every good thing that they did so far has revolved around a shatter spec.

This makes me quite sad. I love the class and it has so much potential, but for all the potential and possibilities, there’s an equal number of bugs and problems.

I won’t abandon the Mesmer, it’s basically the only class that doesn’t bore me to tears but the future is grim. Nothing good will come of it.

shimmerless.4560:

The question raised is what do you do with the gains from Interrupts when you’ve almost completely traited into the Interrupts themselves? With SoI you have a great support option but is that all we can manage?

Interrupts are damage mitigation and by that definition provides support for your team to DPS. So yes, this is the best you can do with a interrupt spec.

theCOREYCOLAK.5698:

skcamow.3527:

Did you test using Chaos Storm or Focus Pulls? Those two, coupled with the occasional F3 shatter provided mounds of boons and extended duration (if you already had the boon) when using bountiful interruption. Now with the “buff” to the trait, there won’t be quite as many boons, just more might and a single random boon.

As effective using those methods were for interrupts, with the changes I can see maintaining very high might stacks using the same build. Haven’t tested it out yet to validate though.

How is this a skillful use of interrupts? Right now the things that are viable to interrupts are elites, heals, and classes with extended cast times (engies, guardians and warriors.) I would be happy with being able to reliably interrupt said skills if the cast time would be reset, hell, even a grandmaster trait that makes the interrupted skill go on cooldown for another 10-15 seconds would be nice. Yet it’s available in another 3 seconds. It shouldn’t be a, “oh, let me drop this field down and pull here and there. Maybe I’ll get an interrupt and score some boons” type of situation.

It’s not a intended to be a “skillful” use of interrupts. Pre-patch I found it extremely useful (didn’t test in sPvP) to gain valuable boons/durations to spread to the party in a support role. Honestly I’m not sure there was a better way to get that many boons with that high potential duration with the way BI was pre-patch. Now post-patch it’s a different story. 5 short duration stacks of might I’m not sure is worth it but I need to test it.

wintermute.4096:

It’s almost as if they played their own version of “corrupt a wish” with those patchnotes.

- You want to signet of illusions to work reliably?
- Fine, but it will be insignificant boost now!

- You want access to the new condition instead of confusion?
- Fine, but it’s on scepter, and on with completely unpractical way of applying it too! (scepter being still complete crap by design as well)

- You want anything else?
- Fine, but we’ll nerf blurred frenzy just because.

^This cracked me up.

Anyway, regarding the thread:

Pyro, thank you for the patient and eloquent response to these trait / skill changes.

Illusionary Celerity being a 25 points trait actually makes sense by itself. BUT! The problem is it’s in the Illusions traits tree, which gives +condition damage and -Shatter Cooldown.

This means only Shatter and Condition builds benefit from speccing so deep into the tree. Condition builds are already weak due to their lack of ability to damage more than a single opponent at a time unless they use Cry of Frustration which is on a 22 seconds cooldown. This leaves Shatter builds as some of the few viable builds, in sPvP at least.

If Phantasms were nerfed -20% in damage across the board, it would have been a better change than the Illusionary Celerity placement – Doing your main source of damage on 16 seconds cooldown is really not viable in team fights.

LiuliRenai.3928:

Illusionary Celerity being a 25 points trait actually makes sense by itself. BUT! The problem is it’s in the Illusions traits tree, which gives +condition damage and -Shatter Cooldown.

This means only Shatter and Condition builds benefit from speccing so deep into the tree. Condition builds are already weak due to their lack of ability to damage more than a single opponent at a time unless they use Cry of Frustration which is on a 22 seconds cooldown. This leaves Shatter builds as some of the few viable builds, in sPvP at least.

If Phantasms were nerfed -20% in damage across the board, it would have been a better change than the Illusionary Celerity placement – Doing your main source of damage on 16 seconds cooldown is really not viable in team fights.

If it was in a different tree maybe. But it should be easily accessible because the Mesmer is focused around Illusions, Clones, n Phantasms. There should have been a nerf only in PvP. Mesmer was balanced in team fights pre patch with all the bugs.

I’m glad they changed Blurred Frenzy.
Illusionary Celerity was way too strong for an Adept trait and it definitly surpassed the other 2 minor traits in Illusions in efficiency, a spot on adjustment.

While my phantasm builds got weaker and I suspect more mesmers will be going to be heading towards shatter builds more now, I kinda like the changes overall.. but I’d like to see the possibility to actually play a proper shutdown mesmer again.

Lue.6538:

I’m glad they changed Blurred Frenzy.
Illusionary Celerity was way too strong for an Adept trait and it definitly surpassed the other 2 minor traits in Illusions in efficiency, a spot on adjustment.

While my phantasm builds got weaker and I suspect more mesmers will be going to be heading towards shatter builds more now, I kinda like the changes overall.. but I’d like to see the possibility to actually play a proper shutdown mesmer again.

only shatter viable = reroll to different class. there will be more shatter mesmer, but overall less mesmer. hope you enjoy it..

i rolled a mesmer as i liked the idea of confusing and fooling the enemy, interrupt them and weaken them, or punish them for mindless zerging. i cried sooo hard when they destroyed glam builds and made confusion completely unviable in wvw, the only viable condition of a mesmer and now they are giving us 1 condition, that is not an aoe, only single targeted and works through a block. and conditon builds di thake a hit too with the bleed change.
i play wvw, but there anet also absolutely fails to balance wvw correctly. what is strong in spvp, doesent mean it is strong in wvw aswell. the clone change is a big one as we wont be able to shatter them in massiv aoe and arrowcart rain.

thanky pyro for listing the good stuff too, but yeah this patch seems like a mesmer eliminator and less and less viable builds for wvw. i want viable builds for wvw and not a 1v1 thing as it is useless tome i fight zergs of 20-40 people!!!

Kittening balance team sure love their shatter builds in PVE.

They mentioned taking away illusionary celerity some time ago, fine replace that with a phantasm friendly trait. I really wish enough ppl QQ to nerf shatter mesmers. And Fkitten PVP.

Jester.1236:

That whole paragraph could be summarized by saying . We are mad you moved our 5 point trait. Oh and we don’t like what you did with blurred frenzy. These changes don’t ruin anything. The sky is not falling.

Gee Whizz I hope your posts get upvoted to star status.

Anatolious.8539:

I completely agree. I was heading into this patch completely hoping to spend $100 on gems to try and get that aetherblade rapier that might have been coming out for my mesmer. But after these stupid nurfs that crippled my favorite play style, Arenanet has lost me as a customer.

If they want me back they better make changes and fast.

Too bad. GW2 as an Esport is going to reap dividends for Anet.

Jester.1236:

Prismatic Understanding was buffed.

Sorry for my noobness but how PU was buffed. How is it different now?
I’m using it and can’t understand which it means in the patch notes. Thanks