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It has been the same since beta and is hardly used other than shatter fodder. Would love you guys to look at this.

what? prolly the best condi cleanse we have with the trait :P

Torch skill 5 is amazing in WvW – please leave it like it is.

Sandrox.9524:

what? prolly the best condi cleanse we have with the trait :P

I think idisenchanter might be better (2 boons and 2 conditions removed per bounce and it has 1 more bounce on a 20s cd) but they both suffer a bit from a lack of on demand cleansing and RNG. Oh and the fact they can be killed too.

Torch skill 5 is great with main hand sword if your not afraid to get up in your opponents face. I use it all the time—especially vs theives, and works well with torch skill 4.

dandamanno.4136:

Sandrox.9524:

what? prolly the best condi cleanse we have with the trait :P

I think idisenchanter might be better (2 boons and 2 conditions removed per bounce and it has 1 more bounce on a 20s cd) but they both suffer a bit from a lack of on demand cleansing and RNG. Oh and the fact they can be killed too.

With the trait, I thought it also removed a condition when you casted it.

Dusty Moon.4382:

Torch skill 5 is amazing in WvW – please leave it like it is.

Please tell me you’re joking?

Esplen.3940:

dandamanno.4136:

Sandrox.9524:

what? prolly the best condi cleanse we have with the trait :P

I think idisenchanter might be better (2 boons and 2 conditions removed per bounce and it has 1 more bounce on a 20s cd) but they both suffer a bit from a lack of on demand cleansing and RNG. Oh and the fact they can be killed too.

With the trait, I thought it also removed a condition when you casted it.

It does remove a condition on cast and on bounce…but the cooldown is massive compared to pDisenchanter, it doesn’t strip boons, the bounce logic is screwy, it only removes 1 condition per bounce, and it attacks far slower.

I think he meant #4 in response to your “joking?” post.

And as for the Torch #5, ahh. Well, for a Master it’s kind of underwhelming for a trait, anyways. Nice for the cd reduction on stealth, but not really worth it, imo.

Esplen.3940:

And as for the Torch #5, ahh. Well, for a Master it’s kind of underwhelming for a trait, anyways. Nice for the cd reduction on stealth, but not really worth it, imo.

If the phantasm got a much needed re-vamp, this trait would be much more worth the master slot it has.

Don’t tell them to look at it unless you’re ready for torment on cast.

Kadj.6725:

Don’t tell them to look at it unless you’re ready for torment on cast.

Actually I think many people would have been much happier with 2 stacks torment for 5 seconds in addition to the confusion on image rather than scepter. Would have made more sense too.

iMage attacks every 7-8 seconds without pHaste so the stacks wouldn’t get high unless pHaste was traited, which provides good ’ol counter play; destroy phantasm or go after mesmer.

Phantasmal Mage is an awful skill. Useless as a condi applier, pitiful damage in a power build, terrible bounce logic and an awfully slow projectile that misses easily. To make things worse, it shares the highest phantasm cooldown with iDefender. It needs to be changed.

It’s only slightly passable as a useful skill when traited for condi removal, but even this extra utility is out-shined by any combinations of Mender’s Purity/Harmonious Mantras/Mantra of Recovery/Mantra of Resolve. Or alternatively you could just slot Phantasmal Disenchanter which is so so much better.

change confusion to weakness?

Okay…. so I really don’t understand, even REMOTELY, how anyone could defend that skill… torch #5 is utter garbage for SEVERAL obvious reasons (just read Simonoly’s post if you’re too clueless to realise it by yourself) and it needs and deserves a change. No discussion needed about that fact.

Torch 5 isn’t good in any game mode under any circumstances.

If torch 5 were anything other than utter garbage they would probably nerf torch 4. Although I don’t see that skill is so amazing, except that stealth is generally amazing.

Give the phantasm 10 stacks of AoE Torment for 40 seconds. This should balance it a bit.

Zord.6130:

Give the phantasm 10 stacks of AoE Torment for 40 seconds. This should balance it a bit.

Not sure if 10 stacks of Torment borderline 1 minute would make this weapon feel comparable to the rest of our weapons; its base damage after all is still going to be pitiful compared to pretty much anything else. That and the fact it bounces onto allies more than enemies doesn’t help it much for the bouncing attacks, its pretty much a recipe for weakness. I still hold out hope that some tester will actually equip the torch and compare it to any other off-hand mesmer weapon and finally realize how terribly underpowered it is and take affirmative action with it. I would be thrilled if the September pack actually did something to address this for mesmer players along with fixing a few of our more obnoxious bugs(nudge nudge).

Freedan.1769:

Zord.6130:

Give the phantasm 10 stacks of AoE Torment for 40 seconds. This should balance it a bit.

Not sure if 10 stacks of Torment borderline 1 minute would make this weapon feel comparable to the rest of our weapons; its base damage after all is still going to be pitiful compared to pretty much anything else. That and the fact it bounces onto allies more than enemies doesn’t help it much for the bouncing attacks, its pretty much a recipe for weakness. I still hold out hope that some tester will actually equip the torch and compare it to any other off-hand mesmer weapon and finally realize how terribly underpowered it is and take affirmative action with it. I would be thrilled if the September pack actually did something to address this for mesmer players along with fixing a few of our more obnoxious bugs(nudge nudge).

Agreed. Let’s make it 15 stacks then.

Hmm I kinda like the idea of weakness, doesn’t have to be anything over the top on the phantasm as torch 4 is already a fairly powerful tool (and weakness can be to) to have on a weapon skill. But since our current access to weakness is up to chance Debilitating Dissipation and Chaos Storm it would be nice to have weakness available to us without the guess work.

Zord.6130:

Give the phantasm 10 stacks of AoE Torment for 40 seconds. This should balance it a bit.

This made me spit coffee all over my desk this morning. ty