Guild Wars 2

you can’t manage to beat ONE mesmer, so either we’re all overpowered or you’re horribly, woefully underpowered?

In short, yes mesmer is the ultimate 1v1 dueling class. Every profession has it’s ups and downs. I’ve had my fair share of dueling bunker eles, your profession isn’t UP.

Before you start crying for nerfs I suggest you roll a mesmer and see how things really work on our side. IMO it requires a high skill cap but is incredibly rewarding in PVP.

1. a 10 minutes 1v1 fight? really dude?? i dont think thats possible even if both players are rocking full sta/tough gear and surv traits.
2. exotic is just a minor upgrade from rare (except weapon). the good thing about GW2 is because its not all about gear.
3. mesmer is a very good solo\small group pvp class.
4. if you are getting stomped in duels by a mesmer over and over, you are getting outplayed, simple as that.

Finally, the issue while playing a smart mesmer is that he will use\abuse his clones to waste your cds and avoid dmg. But since you are playing WvW since beta, you should be used to it by now.

I basicly live in pvp, and yes mesmers are strong in 1 vs 1 still I have faced some elementalists that been tricky to beat. they al been scepter/dagger with elemntal.

Still there is alot of unexperienced mesmers that die to a experienced player of another class, its not only class but also skill. The Mes have a huge skill cap if you roll shatter burst, a cuple of fails vs a good player and you get your kitten handeled. Same time when you start to master it you rarle loose a 1 vs 1

Phase Retreat cooldown is 5 seconds when traited with both Clone Spawning Skills and Staff skills cooling down faster.
This is a build used by Condition Mesmers, and the only real way to beat a condition mesmer is with burst.
Once we have up 3 illusions and a rack of conditions on you the game is ours. Anything from then on is just a futile struggle for survival.
Bunkers tend to be shredded by conditions as toughness doesn’t reduce condition damage.

10 minutes? There’s your problem. The longer the fight, the stronger the mesmer.
I agree with with Phoenixfudge: roll yourself a mesmer and try it. Best way to get to know the pros and cons of a mesmer.

I play both classes in question; both are 80 and fully decked (well, Mesmer slightly poorer gear than my Ele). I love playing both classes, they’re flat out oodles of fun.

I can literally slaughter some Mesmers with my Ele; they cannot cope with the amount of burst I can toss out or the amount of hyper-agressive behaviour I can generate. But when I come up against really good Mesmer players, they’ll normally win.

I can also literally slaughter some Ele’s on my Mesmer; they cannot cope with the amount of clone generation and confusion I can create whilst pew pewing them with my perdy butterflies. But when I come up against really good Ele players, they normally win.

Moral? It’s not the class. It’s me. I’m better than some people and I’m worse than others.

only way i lose to ele’s is when they manage to burst me down in 2 seconds, when i dont have enough reaction time to blink out or if my utilities are on cooldown.

yes, ele’s are weak against mesmers. however ele’s excel in many other aspects, and mesmers have other weaknesses.

In theory, an ele could burst me down on my mesmer, but only in my glass cannon build, definitely not in my bunker build. The problem is that in order for an ele to burst me down, they have to catch me unprepared and not paying attention, and there is no such thing as a stealthy attack from an ele.

In my bunker build, a well built bunker ele would be a massive pain to kill, but theoretically killable. In glass cannon, its simply a matter of time before my burst takes them down. An ele can be a good dueling class, but vs the kings of dueling, they simply have no way to keep up.

Ever thought that that one Mesmer was better then you? Just because you play something longer then someone else doesn’t mean you’re better.

Elementalists are better in PvP, Mesmers are better in WvW. In my experience.

ExLegen.2581:

1. a 10 minutes 1v1 fight? really dude?? i dont think thats possible even if both players are rocking full sta/tough gear and surv traits.

It’s more than possible. A close friend of mine runs a bunker elementalist and I run a very high damage mesmer build. I can’t kill him and he can’t kill me. We duelled on an empty server for 20 minutes yesterday

Illurim.6059:

I play both classes in question; both are 80 and fully decked (well, Mesmer slightly poorer gear than my Ele). I love playing both classes, they’re flat out oodles of fun.

I can literally slaughter some Mesmers with my Ele; they cannot cope with the amount of burst I can toss out or the amount of hyper-agressive behaviour I can generate. But when I come up against really good Mesmer players, they’ll normally win.

I can also literally slaughter some Ele’s on my Mesmer; they cannot cope with the amount of clone generation and confusion I can create whilst pew pewing them with my perdy butterflies. But when I come up against really good Ele players, they normally win.

Moral? It’s not the class. It’s me. I’m better than some people and I’m worse than others.

Exactly this. Your rate at defeating any class is alot higher when you atleast played that class for a while.

OP do not worry about your 1v1 abilities to much. Like in Team Fortress 2, not all classes in GW2 are balanced for 1v1.

If their is any proof for Mesmers being intended as strong 1v1 class, its in their traits: Dueling is a mesmer trait line, with some of the most useful 1v1 traits in the game (for example Deceptive Evasion). Plus the name of the trait line says everything…

Lewis Burnell.2493:

ExLegen.2581:

1. a 10 minutes 1v1 fight? really dude?? i dont think thats possible even if both players are rocking full sta/tough gear and surv traits.

It’s more than possible. A close friend of mine runs a bunker elementalist and I run a very high damage mesmer build. I can’t kill him and he can’t kill me. We duelled on an empty server for 20 minutes yesterday

possible dps is alot higher in non-spvp scenarios. for example, berserker set has 40% more crit damage. fights also tend to be alot longer in spvp because more people like to run tanky builds for point holding.

where as the opposite is true in wvw, people want the most burst. even fights in wvw NEVER last over a minute or two, maybe 3 tops, even when both sides are built to be tanky(rare). if it does happen, it means the fighters are inexperienced, and aren’t playing to the class’ full potential, for example not weapon swaping, or not timing skills correctly, etc.

rootnode.9546:

10 minutes? There’s your problem. The longer the fight, the stronger the mesmer.
I agree with with Phoenixfudge: roll yourself a mesmer and try it. Best way to get to know the pros and cons of a mesmer.

Agree, with my build thieves are pita so I rolled thief to figure out what they have under the hood, and Yes mesmers are supposed the be the 1v1 power house, much as ELE are the kings of AoE “massive damage”.

GW2 Proffession description”

Mesmer

Mesmers are magical duelists who wield deception as a weapon. Using powerful illusions, clones, and phantasmal magic to confuse and distract their foes, mesmers make sure every fight is balanced in their favor and their opponents can’t believe their eyes.

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Elementalist

Elementalists are multi-faceted spellcasters that channel elemental forces, making fire, air, earth, and water do their bidding. What they lack in physical toughness, they make up in versatility and the ability to inflict massive damage in a single attack.

we don’t have an Ele AoE or heal etc, but we do have a lot of tricks up our sleeves that are nearly ideal for the 1v1 environment.

Some mesmer builds worry about warriors while others it’s thieves, some even elementalist. Personally only a thief or another Mesmer tends to be a problem with my build, and it’s not they win, just we can all get away quickly if it’s gonna be close.

I have done a lot of PvP, a lot. Not so much in guildwars yet, but looking at mesmer skills and playing one till lvl 20 they are made for pvp. Lots of blocks and HiP’s type skills, but not overpowered, just better suited. If they had heavy armour and big AoE, yes.

The ability to mitigate entire attacks and their effect (while attacking) is a very powerful ability in small scale pvp. It’s really not a faceroll type class though, from what I can see.

There is a new elementalist dagger/dagger build out now that totally dominates. I saw a youtube vid of an elementalist soloing a champion and veteran at the same time with easy. As well, I played against this build in wvwvw this weekend and it was destroying groups of people solo.

Too many great answers to this question. Figure it out.

Yes, mesmers are very overpowered. When one can stay invisible and kill you in about 10 seconds that’s pretty overpowered.

Yaos.4528:

Yes, mesmers are very overpowered. When one can stay invisible and kill you in about 10 seconds that’s pretty overpowered.

Lol. Too funny.

Yaos.4528:

Yes, mesmers are very overpowered. When one can stay invisible and kill you in about 10 seconds that’s pretty overpowered.

I need that 10 second invisibility…can you tell me where to get it? Can’t seem to find it anywhere on my Mesmer, oh wait…

Yaos.4528:

Yes, mesmers are very overpowered. When one can stay invisible and kill you in about 10 seconds that’s pretty overpowered.

Decoy (utility) – 3 Second Stealth
Viel – 4 Second Stealth
Mass Invisibility – 5 Second Stealth
Decoy (trait) – 3 Second Stealth (no shared cooldown with Decoy (utility))
The Prestige – 3 Second Stealth, Blind and Burn on stealth and reveal.

Dealing damage breaks all of these.

Memser Clones do no~low damage (5 damage a crit at Lv80 on average).
Mesmer Phantasms do high spike damage on medium cooldowns as well as having LESS HP than Clones (regardless of what tooltips and guides say, Phantasms have less HP than Clones)

So what you just explained cannot happen, it’s not within the limitations of Mesmers.
If you died in 1v1 then you probably experienced a stealth bug in which the player fails to render on your client when leaving stealth.
If you died in Xv1 then you probably died to his allies and you mistook the clones for the Mesmer.

As a condition build Mesmer who relies on clones more than Phantasms (I only pop a Phant near the end of the battle to speed it up), my goal is to turn you into a pent house and invite every Condition in the neighborhood over. I’ll use Stealths to increase the amount of time you’re not hitting me — if I can get tons of conditions on you before you take a large chunk of my health then the battle is mine before you even touch me. This is the play style I choose, not the one that defines Memsers.
I have 3 Stealths on me tops at any given time;

• The Prestige
• Decoy
• Mass Invisibility

So if you see me, be absolutely sure you burst me down as soon as possible. Even if I can heal to full, I’ve wasted a healing cooldown which is vital to my survival in the long run.
If you can’t find the real me, leg it. Don’t fight a battle you can’t win.
If there’s something I hate, it’s people who go right up to and try to fight a Mesmer then complain when they lose.

That’s my advice to killing me and any condition based mesmer you might come across.

I’ve been beaten by a good ele on several occasions.

The bunker build ele’s are nasty for spvp.

The air to knockdown, dragon tooth ones are nasty in Wvw if you’re blink is on CD you’re in trouble.

A baddie dies in WvW: A short story by Loco

wads.5730:

where as the opposite is true in wvw, people want the most burst. even fights in wvw NEVER last over a minute or two, maybe 3 tops, even when both sides are built to be tanky(rare). if it does happen, it means the fighters are inexperienced, and aren’t playing to the class’ full potential, for example not weapon swaping, or not timing skills correctly, etc.

Another reason why people don’t like playing overly tanky builds in WvW is that the longer the fight, the greater the chance of getting run over by a large group of enemies. A while ago I was playing on my Guardian, a decently tanky but fairly balanced build, and was 1v1ing an enemy Guardian, who was much more tanky than I. Our little dual lasted probably four minutes.. until we both called it quits, we stopped fighting, gave each other a bow and a wave, then headed off in opposite directions.

If our fight had lasted any longer, one of us (or both?) would have simply been swallowed up by a group of 20+ enemies… and that isn’t a nice way to end a dual for either side.

Lol. Seriously? You’re able to take down other mesmers just fine but b/c of this one mesmer all of a sudden we’re too OP? Dude? Sore loser much? You were outclassed plain and simple. But just b/c you got pawned by one mesmer doesn’t make the class OP. Learn from the experience and better yourself for it. Fights like that to me would be a blast win or lose. You fought a worthy opponent quit belittling it by blaming on the class being OP.

Loco.4561:

I’m a full exotic Elementalist, D/D Bunker type build, I spend a lot of time solo roaming, finding good 1v1’s, 2v1’s etc…I’ve done nothing but WvW since beta and consider myself an above average player.

I just spent a good few hours duelling a Mesmer in WvW and I could not beat this player. I also was duelling a warrior who I could beat, I have beaten other Mesmer’s before in 1v1’s (not very good players I might add) and thieves, guardians, rangers, even some players together but I could not beat this Mesmer.

That last 2 fights lasted over 10 minutes each, eventually this Mesmer just wears me down, using portals, phase retreat, kiting, blink etc… Now remember I’m a bunker build and this Mesmer outlasted me every single time, so I asked them what gear they were wearing and he’s in rares with NO runes and terrible jewellery.

Now either Mesmer’s are OP or Elementalists, even bunker Ele’s are just horribly, woefully underpowered. Since a Mesmer in poor gear can beat me repeatedly no matter what I tried.

It seems to me that Moa is need of tweaking, that ability is just an Iwin button if someone knows what they are doing. The cooldowns on off-hand pistol daze need to be increased along with the cooldown on phase-retreat. Considering I’m specced for CC and running with 3 cantrips, this Mesmer was CC’ing me more often and frequently than I could him. It didn’t help that my Ride the Lightning kept on rooting me to the ground and my magnetic grasp kept missing, trying to pin this Mesmer down was an impossible task.

So I ask this Mesmer what other profession’s can beat him 1v1 and he say’s…another Mesmer, surely that’s an indication that the profession might just be a wee bit OP if the only profession that can beat a Mesmer is another Mesmer.

Yes I’m butthurt, but I would still like to know if Mesmer is just the best 1v1 profession and I was onto a loser anyway or Ele’s are that hideously underpowered that I wouldn’t win because my profession stinks

Burst spec’d D/D elementalists do a fair job of eating Mesmers alive (especially if the elementalist is on the offensive/gets the first attack).

ExLegen.2581:

1. a 10 minutes 1v1 fight? really dude?? i dont think thats possible even if both players are rocking full sta/tough gear and surv traits.
2. exotic is just a minor upgrade from rare (except weapon). the good thing about GW2 is because its not all about gear.
3. mesmer is a very good solo\small group pvp class.
4. if you are getting stomped in duels by a mesmer over and over, you are getting outplayed, simple as that.

Finally, the issue while playing a smart mesmer is that he will use\abuse his clones to waste your cds and avoid dmg. But since you are playing WvW since beta, you should be used to it by now.

You sir have never fought a TRUE bunker build if you think a 10min 1v1 fight is not possible. I have had 10-20min 1v1 on my warrior bunker vs necros, guardians, and sevral others. Personally my favorites are the guardians simply because if we are both really trying it will never end. It really comes down to who gives up first.

Yep I can attest to the fact that 10min 1vs1 are entirely possible with a bunker mesmer.. In fact in sPvP i can only be mostly defeated by 2vs1. 1vs1 it’s very difficult to beat a mesmer.

why even post? 1. correct me if im wrong but you cant talk to enemies in wvw so how did u ask him what his gear was? 2. you had two 10 min fights with an undergeared mesmer? bull. either youre lying or you were using your tongue to press keys. 3. becuz you couldnt kill one mesmer then either mesmers are op or eles are up? 4. how arrogant can you be to come here asking to nerf our most defensive skill and 1 of our 2 stuns on the basis that you couldnt kill a mesmer?

edit: yes mesmers are mostly designed to be duelers so naturally they are one of the best 1v1ers but d/d eles are also among the best duelests along with their crazy survivability and excellent disruption skills

God forbid, that some professions can naturally beat other professions. I hope you weren’t expecting that every profession was evenly balance for 1v1 against every other profession in the game? Well… because it’s not. This isn’t a 1v1 game and you will be beaten by players whom are really good at their profession. Some professions will naturally shine better when against another profession. So you could beat other mesmers fine, but couldn’t defeat one really skilled mesmer then complain the class is OP, just because of this one skilled player? Seriously?!?!?!

The same could be said with any profession. It all comes down to skill. If a player is really really good at their profession than chances are they will bring you down. It happens! Just man up, learn from the experience and adjust your techniques.

I mean wow.. when I first read the initial post I just was speechless.

There are a lot of good responses here. I suggest you take their advice.

initial post was made over a month ago, not many people ran d/d high toughness/vitality builds.

people were also worse at the game in general a month ago than now.

wads.5730:

initial post was made over a month ago, not many people ran d/d high toughness/vitality builds.

people were also worse at the game in general a month ago than now.

Didn’t stop them from constantly nerfing Mesmer rather then telling people to learn how to play.