Guild Wars 2

That is another skill that was nerfed, making that 3 patch notes in a row where that Anet literally cut in half major traits/skills. It’s official, Anet doesn’t know what they are doing with mesmer, and I think a lot of us here would be better off playing another class.

Caving in to all the crying is not balance. Popular vote does not get you anywhere.

Let us be honest, this change does not change much. Condi chrono is still viable. As a matter of fact, I prefer it with gravity well already so…

The problem of mesmer currently is that condi chrono is the only playable thing and this is not necessarily a build people enjoy (I don’t). But again, being honest, build diversity is an all time low and very few classes have different playable builds.

On top of that, this is a minor fix and not a balance patch per say. So you couldn’t expect much.

So switch to ele if you want, I have moved to reaper and ele 2 patches ago because I don’t enjoy condi chrono. But don’t be overdramatic, this patch hardly changes anything in the meta.

I’m not talking about viability or meta usefulness. I’m talking about how Anet has no idea where or what mesmer is supposed to do. Halved durations on Moa. Removed clone death. Halved stealth time. Halved alacrity. Well of Precog’s " I dunno lol" changes.

Whenever they want to nerf mesmer in general nobody in their balance department knows how to do it, so instead they just open up a random page in the pvp forums nerf the first mesmer related thing they see.

Where are the meaningful buffs? “i dunno lol”.

But it’s the same with every class – just how it goes at the moment, we can’t expect much from the small patches in between the quarterly patches.

At least this is inconsequential for anyone who doesn’t use Moa (I personally rarely if ever use moa).

Curunen.8729:

But it’s the same with every class – just how it goes at the moment, we can’t expect much from the small patches in between the quarterly patches.

At least this is inconsequential for anyone who doesn’t use Moa (I personally rarely if ever use moa).

No other class has ever had multiple 50% nerfs in a row.

I like to play for “weak” characters, because I believe in my own ability’s. I can win and I will.

Ananeos.4587:

Curunen.8729:

But it’s the same with every class – just how it goes at the moment, we can’t expect much from the small patches in between the quarterly patches.

At least this is inconsequential for anyone who doesn’t use Moa (I personally rarely if ever use moa).

No other class has ever had multiple 50% nerfs in a row.

Technically the moa nerf was a 40% nerf.

I’m helpful!

So I imagine that that alot of these Moa nerf in mesmer forum are not exactly from mesmer? Wow I am surprised

moa nerf so what we are still in terrible place . i mean everyone as every class got basically 1 build to play with

i wish anet build more diversity. statisically they have should made it with 4 trait lines with 24 traits and 3-4 weapon set and 5 utilities . there should be at least 3 builds each class

nerfing only what the community scream and qq is such a bad design and act

Cya glad you’re jumping off the bandwagon.

Glad another nonmesmer main is jumping off. Obvious lack of skill and dedication is obvious when you can only play a class as long as it’s considered overpowered then immediately jump on the next fotm class. Real mesmers don’t need 10 second moa to win.

Waaaaaaaaa Mesmer got nerfed so i gotta cry on the forums its the kittening end of the world no mesmer is fine they are already overpowered as is and this nerf is justified cuz now they can’t bang their head on the keyboard and instagib a person with full hp.

Final Boss.8316:

Waaaaaaaaa Mesmer got nerfed so i gotta cry on the forums its the kittening end of the world no mesmer is fine they are already overpowered as is and this nerf is justified cuz now they can’t bang their head on the keyboard and instagib a person with full hp.

Mesmer is far from OP.

“I get rolled by mesmers” is not a justifiable argument to prove your point XD

Lol, anyone thinking mesmer is fine or OP hasn’t really committed to realising how face roll other classes are.

I main ele though Mesmer is my second most played, often I’m there thinking “why should I play my mesmer when my ele is so much more useful?” I also have some form of diversity with ele across all modes, something mesmer is woefully lacking.

Still play power shatter in WvW though, still wreck clueless people in an embarrassing fashion.

apharma.3741:

Lol, anyone thinking mesmer is fine or OP hasn’t really committed to realising how face roll other classes are.

I main ele though Mesmer is my second most played, often I’m there thinking “why should I play my mesmer when my ele is so much more useful?” I also have some form of diversity with ele across all modes, something mesmer is woefully lacking.

Still play power shatter in WvW though, still wreck clueless people in an embarrassing fashion.

Alacrity and Moa nerfs were fine. You really think 10 seconds of Moa is necessary? Your burst takes less than 5, the passive on the signet is still amazing, and only bad mesmers use it when 1v1 dueling.

People complaining about mesmer “nerfs” haven’t played other classes besides FoTM ones.

nativity.3057:

apharma.3741:

Lol, anyone thinking mesmer is fine or OP hasn’t really committed to realising how face roll other classes are.

I main ele though Mesmer is my second most played, often I’m there thinking “why should I play my mesmer when my ele is so much more useful?” I also have some form of diversity with ele across all modes, something mesmer is woefully lacking.

Still play power shatter in WvW though, still wreck clueless people in an embarrassing fashion.

Alacrity and Moa nerfs were fine. You really think 10 seconds of Moa is necessary? Your burst takes less than 5, the passive on the signet is still amazing, and only bad mesmers use it when 1v1 dueling.

People complaining about mesmer “nerfs” haven’t played other classes besides FoTM ones.

So…wanna point to me where I said anything about Moa or alacrity nerfs? Oh wait, here’s a better idea, go through my posts and go find me something where I say Moa with CS was fine and didn’t need tuning down.

Oh wait you can’t because you saw a comment you didn’t like, face rolled across your keyboard in response that had nothing to do with what was put. Sorry if you don’t like the truth but most HoT classes and the meta builds we have with them are face roll compared to pre HoT and certainly 2 years ago.

Let me spell it out for you:
PvE: Mesmer has 1 and only 1 build and is exclusively support. It’s DPS is so embarrassing that if anyone seriously says Mesmer dps is good they should be seriously checked for brain damage.

WvW: Roaming, sure condition chrono or sceptre torch old condition roamer is really strong but as soon as you get to 10+ fights Mesmer quickly drops to poor bottom with thief for those fights.

PvP: 1 build, that’s it. No power shatter, heck Frostball even popped onto the forums and said that base mesmer isn’t competitive and chronopower isn’t very good either. Once the nerf seals have smacked their flippers together hard enough that conditions get gutted on mesmer we will have 0 viability outside of portal.

apharma.3741:

nativity.3057:

apharma.3741:

Lol, anyone thinking mesmer is fine or OP hasn’t really committed to realising how face roll other classes are.

I main ele though Mesmer is my second most played, often I’m there thinking “why should I play my mesmer when my ele is so much more useful?” I also have some form of diversity with ele across all modes, something mesmer is woefully lacking.

Still play power shatter in WvW though, still wreck clueless people in an embarrassing fashion.

Alacrity and Moa nerfs were fine. You really think 10 seconds of Moa is necessary? Your burst takes less than 5, the passive on the signet is still amazing, and only bad mesmers use it when 1v1 dueling.

People complaining about mesmer “nerfs” haven’t played other classes besides FoTM ones.

So…wanna point to me where I said anything about Moa or alacrity nerfs? Oh wait, here’s a better idea, go through my posts and go find me something where I say Moa with CS was fine and didn’t need tuning down.

Oh wait you can’t because you saw a comment you didn’t like, face rolled across your keyboard in response that had nothing to do with what was put. Sorry if you don’t like the truth but most HoT classes and the meta builds we have with them are face roll compared to pre HoT and certainly 2 years ago.

Let me spell it out for you:
PvE: Mesmer has 1 and only 1 build and is exclusively support. It’s DPS is so embarrassing that if anyone seriously says Mesmer dps is good they should be seriously checked for brain damage.

WvW: Roaming, sure condition chrono or sceptre torch old condition roamer is really strong but as soon as you get to 10+ fights Mesmer quickly drops to poor bottom with thief for those fights.

PvP: 1 build, that’s it. No power shatter, heck Frostball even popped onto the forums and said that base mesmer isn’t competitive and chronopower isn’t very good either. Once the nerf seals have smacked their flippers together hard enough that conditions get gutted on mesmer we will have 0 viability outside of portal.

You’ve never distinguished between elite specs and base class, so I don’t know where you’re getting your anger from…

But in regards to that…

PvE: Mesmers will always have a spot in raids.
There are other classes who don’t even have the option of support or are considered top DPS, but any class can be run. Complaining about PvE is just complaining for complaints sake.

WvW: Mesmers are top 3 for roaming (thief and rangers being the other two)
Mesmers, even condi mesmers, can solo clear camps faster than many other classes.
Condi and power both work, I like to run power more than condi.
Instagibs are possible, condi specs are insanely overpowered, and if you 1v1 duel, that’s more up to your skill than the class.
Mesmers are great for small group roaming, and provide utility for zergs, while also being able to pick out priority targets.
The stab change made hammer trains reappear, and yeah, if you’re a light armor squishy, hammer trains are not your friend. But this means you have to position better, better than how you positioned in the “brain-dead” pirate-ship meta.

PvP: “Only 1 build”
Sorry to say, that’s the case for a lot of classes, and some classes’ one build aren’t as good as Mesmers. I main Guard, so I’m familiar with having only one viable build, but that’s the past. Now, Guards can’t keep up in damage or support.
Take a look at Mesmer’s relative viability. It’s considered S-tier along with Revenants.