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If it’s mainland only they could also make it work similar to the first part of staff. Phantasm on 3 skill, clone on 2 skill. Perhaps with that setup it would lower the need for things like deceptive evasion, chronophantasma etc. It would definitely open up even more build possibilities

The new elite will anyways open up alot of new playstyles and builds. Thing is im scared thy will make axe a sword 2.0 but just better in any way.

Feral.3609:

If it’s mainland only they could also make it work similar to the first part of staff. Phantasm on 3 skill, clone on 2 skill. Perhaps with that setup it would lower the need for things like deceptive evasion, chronophantasma etc. It would definitely open up even more build possibilities

Staff does that because it’s a 2hander and they can put the skills wherever they want. A mainhand weapon will not be getting a phantasm. It baffles me why people tie themselves into knots over all these absolutely absurd theories when it’s obvious to anyone with a head on their shoulders that it’s not going to happen.

“its a 2 hander and they can do what ever they want”. And why exactly doesnt this apply to mainhands as well? Its their game they ca do w/e they want.

zealex.9410:

“its a 2 hander and they can do what ever they want”. And why exactly doesnt this apply to mainhands as well? Its their game they ca do w/e they want.

shrug

Not particularly interested in explaining basic logical concepts, so I’ll just leave it at this:

I’m right, you’re wrong, and this will be proven once the expansion launches and you all feel disappointed and/or silly that none of your absurd ideas were used by Anet.

zealex.9410:

“its a 2 hander and they can do what ever they want”. And why exactly doesnt this apply to mainhands as well? Its their game they ca do w/e they want.

Every offhand has a phantasm skill. Putting one on a MH only weapon would leave us the option to have a single weapon set that can summon 2 different phantasms. There is no good reason to expect that to happen.

every other mainhand has one form of defence. This weapon could lack that and as trade off get more dmg.

zealex.9410:

every other mainhand has one form of defence. This weapon could lack that and as trade off get more dmg.

Now you’re just grasping at straws with these concepts.

Another example of mesmers having a phantasm with a weapon they can’t wield is Phantasmal Defender. Sure, they have shields NOW, but…

Since we already have Warden, it’s entirely possible that a phantasm coming from the axe will have a different weapon.

OriOri.8724:

zealex.9410:

“its a 2 hander and they can do what ever they want”. And why exactly doesnt this apply to mainhands as well? Its their game they ca do w/e they want.

Every offhand has a phantasm skill. Putting one on a MH only weapon would leave us the option to have a single weapon set that can summon 2 different phantasms. There is no good reason to expect that to happen.

Sure, that’s the trend that’s happened so far, and the smart money is on that trend continuing…

But is it really beyond reasonable doubt that the trend will continue?

There have been suggestions that the new elite spec is phantasm-oriented. Therefore, it would make sense for them to potentially have a weaponset that allows them to have two phantasms, possibly at the cost of not having a clone skill.

Mind you, there are other possibilities that could lead to more phantasms:

1) I don’t recall if we’ve seen any shots of the new elite spec interface, but one possibility could be the replacement of the current shatters with something that produces phantasms. It’d be complicated to make such a mechanic work with current shatter traits, but not, I think, impossible.

2) The mesmer elite spec might get an offhand axe as well, similar to warrior getting dual daggers.

3) One or more of the utility skills associated with the elite spec might generate a phantasm, similar to the reaper’s “Rise!” utility.

Another possibility, of course, is that it’s another case of ArenaNet taunting us with something that PCs won’t get, at least not in the immediate future.

DuckDuckBOOM.4097:

Those look like clones not phantasms. Main hand axe, if following conventions, would only provide illusions of the axe wielding clone variety. However that picture looks like two clones with a bow so…
1) new weapon is bow not axe ( leaks have changed before)
2) conventions have changed for this elite spec
3) story npc mesmer doing npc things.
My bet would be on 3.

The chances of us not getting a mainhand weapon next specialisation are as close to 0 as can be.

Mesmer is the one class which has been in lack of a decent extra mainhand weapon since release. This counts double if they plan to make us viable damage dealers.

As to why there is phantasms on offhand weapons: simple balance really.

I was entertaining a thought that they might break the mold with axe and allow us the use of 2 phantasms for simple dps increase. This would only be the case if axe were mainhand only though. I do think we will be seeing dualwield axes for mesmers, similar to dual wield daggers for warriors.

A MH phantasm skill wouldn’t be a DPS increase unless the phantasm itself is just absurdly strong. All it would do is lower our ramp up time if we use the new MH weapon.

Fay.2357:

zealex.9410:

every other mainhand has one form of defence. This weapon could lack that and as trade off get more dmg.

Now you’re just grasping at straws with these concepts.

Yeah because since launch we had elite specs been added and mainhands not getting a phantasm has been a pattern in these elite specs.

OriOri.8724:

A MH phantasm skill wouldn’t be a DPS increase unless the phantasm itself is just absurdly strong. All it would do is lower our ramp up time if we use the new MH weapon.

Ahem recebt mmesmer update which made most phantasm skills perform an attacj before summoning. Something something you deal a hardhitting attack then a phantasm spawns that too does something hardhitting

The attacks we did get are literally weaker than our autos. The weapon skill itself would be more useful if it didn’t have a phantasm at all if that trend were to continue. You really are grasping at straws here. The only thing it would do is lower our ramp up time unless the phantasm itself is extremely OP.

“extremely op” aka being a weapon set build around dps. Also moght i add the weapons skills hit like dogshit because there wasnt any nerf done to chrono’s buffing capabilities. Since the next spec WONT BE another chrono it is only logical that the numbers will abjusted in such a way to further empasize the elite spec’s focus on dps.

zealex.9410:

“extremely op” aka being a weapon set build around dps. Also moght i add the weapons skills hit like dogshit because there wasnt any nerf done to chrono’s buffing capabilities. Since the next spec WONT BE another chrono it is only logical that the numbers will abjusted in such a way to further empasize the elite spec’s focus on dps.

That will have to be one insane buff though, we are more than half behind sustained dps on any type of leaderboards, and that’s only condition dps not even power.

Let’s not even get into burst dps which we are even worse at and which is actually more important on many boss fights.

What about warrior and elementalist 25 might stack uptime while providing unique buffs and/or being top dps? Stop looking at only 1 class but actually take a look at the entire picture.

zealex.9410:

OriOri.8724:

A MH phantasm skill wouldn’t be a DPS increase unless the phantasm itself is just absurdly strong. All it would do is lower our ramp up time if we use the new MH weapon.

Ahem recebt mmesmer update which made most phantasm skills perform an attacj before summoning. Something something you deal a hardhitting attack then a phantasm spawns that too does something hardhitting

I doubt they will balance with instant phantasm attacks. The attack would literally ahve to be so strong that it would 1 shot people to even remotely help with our dps problem.

Again you are just picking random things from all over, add some mumbo jumbo and expect exprienced mesmer to agree or take your argument seriously.

Fay.2357:

Doam.8305:

There is nothing that states were only getting one weapon with the expansion either

Ahahaha

Doam.8305:

the phantasms that come with axe would be longbow based.

Wat. Unless we get offhand axe, we’re not getting a new phantasm.

Alright Mr. Know it all

You have time to make posts like these so I want to here your take on the situation.

The leaked Mesmer weapon is the Axe and if you paid attention there are long bow using phantasm with the chronophantasma trait activated in the trailer. Another poster linked the images already.

If not two weapons or tying the phantasm to the axe like they tied the axe phantasm to the focus then what is your reasoning???

Cyninja.2954:

zealex.9410:

“extremely op” aka being a weapon set build around dps. Also moght i add the weapons skills hit like dogshit because there wasnt any nerf done to chrono’s buffing capabilities. Since the next spec WONT BE another chrono it is only logical that the numbers will abjusted in such a way to further empasize the elite spec’s focus on dps.

That will have to be one insane buff though, we are more than half behind sustained dps on any type of leaderboards, and that’s only condition dps not even power.

Let’s not even get into burst dps which we are even worse at and which is actually more important on many boss fights.

What about warrior and elementalist 25 might stack uptime while providing unique buffs and/or being top dps? Stop looking at only 1 class but actually take a look at the entire picture.

zealex.9410:

OriOri.8724:

A MH phantasm skill wouldn’t be a DPS increase unless the phantasm itself is just absurdly strong. All it would do is lower our ramp up time if we use the new MH weapon.

Ahem recebt mmesmer update which made most phantasm skills perform an attacj before summoning. Something something you deal a hardhitting attack then a phantasm spawns that too does something hardhitting

I doubt they will balance with instant phantasm attacks. The attack would literally ahve to be so strong that it would 1 shot people to even remotely help with our dps problem.

Again you are just picking random things from all over, add some mumbo jumbo and expect exprienced mesmer to agree or take your argument seriously.

In pve and sepcifically raids burst is just normal rotations the concept of burst and tomig it doesnnot exist sincenperma buffing is a thing. Outside of pve mesmer has really strong sustain and burst.

I really hope our DPS spec that we have been waiting 5 years for is not tied to Phantasms, thus completely missing the point.

Then again after last patches offhand sword buff I wouldn’t be surprised if the new elite spec had traits tied to Shield.

Doam.8305:

Fay.2357:

Doam.8305:

There is nothing that states were only getting one weapon with the expansion either

Ahahaha

Doam.8305:

the phantasms that come with axe would be longbow based.

Wat. Unless we get offhand axe, we’re not getting a new phantasm.

Alright Mr. Know it all

You have time to make posts like these so I want to here your take on the situation.

The leaked Mesmer weapon is the Axe and if you paid attention there are long bow using phantasm with the chronophantasma trait activated in the trailer. Another poster linked the images already.

If not two weapons or tying the phantasm to the axe like they tied the axe phantasm to the focus then what is your reasoning???

Random npc kitten obviously.

zealex.9410:

Cyninja.2954:

zealex.9410:

“extremely op” aka being a weapon set build around dps. Also moght i add the weapons skills hit like dogshit because there wasnt any nerf done to chrono’s buffing capabilities. Since the next spec WONT BE another chrono it is only logical that the numbers will abjusted in such a way to further empasize the elite spec’s focus on dps.

That will have to be one insane buff though, we are more than half behind sustained dps on any type of leaderboards, and that’s only condition dps not even power.

Let’s not even get into burst dps which we are even worse at and which is actually more important on many boss fights.

What about warrior and elementalist 25 might stack uptime while providing unique buffs and/or being top dps? Stop looking at only 1 class but actually take a look at the entire picture.

zealex.9410:

OriOri.8724:

A MH phantasm skill wouldn’t be a DPS increase unless the phantasm itself is just absurdly strong. All it would do is lower our ramp up time if we use the new MH weapon.

Ahem recebt mmesmer update which made most phantasm skills perform an attacj before summoning. Something something you deal a hardhitting attack then a phantasm spawns that too does something hardhitting

I doubt they will balance with instant phantasm attacks. The attack would literally ahve to be so strong that it would 1 shot people to even remotely help with our dps problem.

Again you are just picking random things from all over, add some mumbo jumbo and expect exprienced mesmer to agree or take your argument seriously.

In pve and sepcifically raids burst is just normal rotations the concept of burst and tomig it doesnnot exist sincenperma buffing is a thing. Outside of pve mesmer has really strong sustain and burst.

Wth are you talking about?

I’m not talking alpha burst but short time burst and ramp up time for pve damage which is of significant importance in some boss encounters like KC, Gorse and evey boss who has limited damage windows.

Mesmer is especially weak there because we have the longest rampup time for our damage due to our phantasm mechanic.

Doam.8305:

Fay.2357:

Doam.8305:

There is nothing that states were only getting one weapon with the expansion either

Ahahaha

Doam.8305:

the phantasms that come with axe would be longbow based.

Wat. Unless we get offhand axe, we’re not getting a new phantasm.

Alright Mr. Know it all

You have time to make posts like these so I want to here your take on the situation.

The leaked Mesmer weapon is the Axe and if you paid attention there are long bow using phantasm with the chronophantasma trait activated in the trailer. Another poster linked the images already.

If not two weapons or tying the phantasm to the axe like they tied the axe phantasm to the focus then what is your reasoning???

Couple options

1 – Its just a random enemy that can now use chronophantasma. I wouldn’t be surprised honestly, every LWS3 map with mesmer enemies they have gotten stronger and stronger. Its only natural that some of them would now be able to use chronophantasma as well.

2 – Axe has a phantasm (meaning we get OH axe, hopefully with MH axe……) that uses a longbow. Just like how focus has a phantasm using axes

3 – We actually end up getting 2 elite specs (which would be great)

4 – We get 2 new weapons.

I listed these in order of most to least likely

I can’t even count how many npcs use weapon combos not available to their supposed class.

Weapon is probably melee condi cleave. Only role missing we miss on our weapon set. Id say it will be MH.
Hopefully it is designed arround distortion evade and buffs from that. I wanted to build an over evasive mesmer since i build be near perma block DH.
Maybe it has actually a support role (chrono counted as control spec).
So you can grant evasion and stealth buffs, have new shatters etc etc that improve survivability of your comrades. So.kinda an indirect support which is not based arround healing.

InsaneQR.7412:

Weapon is probably melee condi cleave. . . . Hopefully it is designed arround distortion evade and buffs from that. I wanted to build an over evasive mesmer since i build be near perma block DH.

That’s precisely what we need in WvW, more evades, more blocks, more condi.

I hope they also add stealth duration food and give mesmers access to conditraps, for more excitement.

If you have played the last living world you can see an buff on that newly (old) npc where it state as a “Malefice” (i’m playing in french, so the term should be different).

That Malefice is based on damage when conditions wear off, so probably a new stat to counter condi cleaner.
It looked like it was an aura similar to the guard class.

Either it’s an F-skills or an Elite with passive/active conditions.

And judging by the “leak”, Mirage, with “Oasis” design and this Malefice, it give me a vibe that it would be a spec based on healing, or a passive offensive spec, with condi cleaner while dealing damage when ennemies clean their, or something like that, on the Mirage pics, the traits and skills “skins” looks so much as an healing branch.

At siren’s landing,where the illusionary beast spawns at the portals,you can find npc phantasms using longbows.Probably some of you have seen them already but just in case I will post an image.

Vicko.1204:

At siren’s landing,where the illusionary beast spawns at the portals,you can find npc phantasms using longbows.Probably some of you have seen them already but just in case I will post an image.

That looks more like a shortbow to me, and hopefully Axe being condi based is not true, since I hate condi in its curret state.