[Build] PVE = Phantasm Versus Everything

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Posted by: Dack Saris.2418

Dack Saris.2418

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAR8ansISZa2qGmqB1aGJ1QO7zikdQgS+JEA-TRCBABVcBAga/hKV/5MlgYp8DgjAgHPAg80NEwBBIAACATciTciTcilCIixAA-e

Firstly, I’m sorry if i make some mistake in english.

My purpose here is to share with you my build, a pve one.
I use it in open world event and dungeon/fractale.

- The build was build to do a maximum damage with phantasm and by ourselves.
- I often swith trait : I usualy play GS-SW/P/F … It wasn’t cheap to do all this ascended stuff
- If i’m sure I won’t use my focus I change for Inspiration II : Glamour mastery, If I don’t use my pistol I switch for Duel IV : Blade Training
- Phantasm are too squishy for Persisting Image and Signet of Illusions to be usefull IMHO.
- It’s more survivable than a pure zerk build, plus the regen given by the phantasm is fine!

My gameplay:
Long ranged fight : start with Sw/P => iDuelist > Signet of Ether > iDuelist > switch GS > iZerker > AA
Close ranged fight : start wi GS => iZerker > switch Sw/P > iDuelist > Signet of Ether > iDuelist > AA

That’s for the generic case of course!

I need a way a to have a reliable fury for freeing my adept trait of Duel.

What do you think about-it? I know it’s slightly different from the generic phantasm way with Phantasmal Haste.

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Posted by: Ross Biddle.2367

Ross Biddle.2367

You’ve taken Warden’s Feedback but no focus. What’s Menders Purity for? Do NPC’s run condition builds these days? Is condi cleanse a thing in PvE now?

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Posted by: Jerus.4350

Jerus.4350

You’ve taken Warden’s Feedback but no focus. What’s Menders Purity for? Do NPC’s run condition builds these days? Is condi cleanse a thing in PvE now?

Yes it is… sitautional though and can easily be handled usually by just using your mantra and in the rare occasion I guess null field might be handy but not often.

1st boss in SEp3. Lyssa in Arahp4. Even ACp1 if you aren’t good at dodging.

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

54050 is the best none mantra focused dps build that still goes for wardens feedback. But you should go like this:

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQNAs9cnsISZa2qGmqB1aGR1QObxhkNQiS2pEA-TBBVwAA2fAhyviq/cRJYAAEAm4En4En4ELFQEjBA-e

  • Go for sword+focus / +sword – the greatsword is a specific weapon most of the time only seen in fotm where everything you need is cc / aoe (like ancient war fractal).
  • Therefore you can swap the GS trait for the signet trait for more heal and more damage (more phants).
  • Try to use the sword offhand instead of the pistol if you think the phantasm survives it. Those are the reasons why:
  • Trait for the sword instead of the pistol. This way you doubletrait your weapons (main hand and off hand).
  • Using the sword creates a daze synergy with the minor traits of the dominion trait line – skill 4# is a penetrating dazing bolt wich applies 5-8 stacks vuln for 10 sec wich is superior!
  • You now have the hardest hitting block in the game! Congrats!
  • Don’t take menders purity – go for glamour masteries for decreasing the CD of your 2 important utility skills by 20%!

It’s a good beginner build, not focusing on mantras. Relativly easy to play and needs no retraiting. You can also go 44060 for more utility, traiting +2 sec glamour duration, menders purity or medics feedback in the last trait line. I suggest the increased glamour duration.

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

Well, this build is remarkably close to some of the actual min-maxed dungeon builds that exist. The main differences is that dungeon builds will almost never use greatsword. Now and then it’s appropriate, but the damage on greatsword is so low that it’s generally not worth using over 2x mainhand sword.

As far as condition removal goes, it’s nice to have at least a bit. I’ll often take the mantra just because there’s a lot of mobs that do use conditions. Even if the conditions aren’t dangerous, it’s nice to just cleanse that 1.5 minutes of cripple that something slapped on you instead of having to wait it out.

@OP: I’d recommend taking a look at the stickied thread ‘how to mesmer in dungeons’. You’ll see that a lot of the builds there are similar to yours, but slightly more min-maxed for optimization, if that’s what your goal is.

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Posted by: frifox.5283

frifox.5283

I’ll compare your build to the meta mantra one, both using 1x duelist + 2x swordsmans for max dmg.

5/4/0/5/0

  • Average dps – 4,653 dps
  • Time to 300k dmg – 68.0 sec

6/6/0/0/2

  • Average dps – 5,149 dps
  • Time to 300k dmg – 62.4 seconds

Basically your “build to do a maximum damage” is about 10% weaker than the meta build with only 2 charged mantras. Further, if I use the runes you suggested the number will shoot up to right around 14%. Spending whole 5 points into Illusions to get that extra 15% dmg for phantasms is not worth it, unless you absolutely need traited focus and even then might as well go with 6/4/0/4/0 instead.

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Posted by: Dack Saris.2418

Dack Saris.2418

Hi every one !
I’m glad to see some of the “superstars” here , Thanks all for your answer and tips ^^

As a general respons I play (generaly, exception for my HL fractal were I PUG) in a casual pve environment, so I don’t mind spend more or less 20 second to do my 300k dmg. I don’t do any solo rush either.
It’s for this reason I don’t like the scholar rune : I used it, and spend too much time with less than 90% life => And optilmized build is useless if you play with less experimented player.
I know I lose against math, i don’t have any pretention to come with “Hey guys, i have found the best DPS build ever !!!!”, I’m more “Hey guys, I wanted to share a good but not realy shared way to play your phantasm build.”
Also I must say I don’t like mantra, I don’t realy play them (MoR for May Trin for me and my more casual friend is an exception). I GW1 iI don’t liked them, I’s better but not enought for me in GW2. Too long cast (but a less longer it would be op too I think).

Ross : As explained in my first post I use Focus and Pistol as OH, i switch often and the build don’t allow (of course) all possibility. I switch trait depending the situation.

Xyonon : You’re right, but in open world (SW, I look at you) I feel the need for my GS because be melee can realy problematic. I realy hoped for a pistol MH for double trait it. I’m curious with the shield. (yes I’m a little persistent)
There is a discussion about the iSwordman : he deal less damage but more often than other?

Fay : I had ever look, re-read yesterday, the sticked post. Really interesting, but as said full optimisation isn’t my goal, yes i want to make a maximum amount of damage, but do not want to go in the 6/6/0/0/2 than each optimized class play. And mostly don’t realy want to play mantra, I just don’t like them.

Frifox : you have forgot the “with phantasm” in your quote. It’s a phantasm build, just because I like to cast my duelist and /sleep or /dance front of a boss and say “See, I work three time harder than you all”. ^^ … Ok, that last point it’s just for my fun.

I will switch my dear Mender purity fo prestige mastery, is signet mastery better than GS trait?

Thanks all one more time.

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Posted by: Kit.1278

Kit.1278

frifox, Can u please give a link to “meta build”. Didnt play a lot of time, and want to see what is usefull now.

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

frifox, Can u please give a link to “meta build”. Didnt play a lot of time, and want to see what is usefull now.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-How-To-Mesmer-in-Dungeons/page/4#post4702959

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Posted by: Ryn.6459

Ryn.6459

frifox, do you have the numbers for 2/4/0/5/3? I am aware of my phantasm will be the.main source of damage, but heck, I hate mantras.

Learning English, any correction is very welcome.

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

Fry, the 54050 build is for places where you should or can take no mantras at all. For example dredge fractal. It’s simply a glamour damage version of 64040, max utility would be 44060.

While using 66002 vs 54050, how many mantras did you use? Can you calculate it with 1 2 3 4 mantras for me or is it too much work?

Ty bro

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Posted by: frifox.5283

frifox.5283

I used 2 mantras in the calcs to save a spot for healing signet and feedback, as well as 50% uptime on Wastrel’s Punishment. Doing calcs isn’t hard, just slow. It’s hosted on google docs and is so complex that after each change it takes a minute or two for all formulas to actually calculate.

frifox, do you have the numbers for 2/4/0/5/3? I am aware of my phantasm will be the.main source of damage, but heck, I hate mantras.

2/4/0/5/3

  • Average dps – 4,523 dps
  • Time to 300k dmg – 69.5 sec

5/4/0/5/0 (updated, forgot to include WP in previous test)

  • Average dps – 4,699 dps
  • Time to 300k dmg – 67.0 sec

6/6/0/0/2

  • Average dps – 5,149 dps
  • Time to 300k dmg – 62.4 seconds

Also, why hate mantra? 3 insta cast AoE stability on 2 sec cd and 3 insta cast AoE condi cleanse on 1s cd? These two are MUCH more effective than blink or nullfield. If you dont need a 3rd utility, take the insta cast AoE daze mantra. Perfect for interrupt, which imo is one of mesmers strong points.

I used to hate mantra as well because I loved Blink and Feedback but, after forcing myself to play with concentration/resolve mantras instead I can to realize just how much more effective and useful these two than all other utilities. Try getting out of your comfort zone and soon you’ll realize just how much better a mesmer you’ll become once you master mantras.

Frifox : you have forgot the “with phantasm” in your quote.

Correct, 6/6/0/0/2 has less phantasm dps than 5/6/0/5/0, however… 6/4/0/0/4:

6/6/0/0/2

  • Mesmer DPS – 2,399
  • Phantasm DPS – 2,750
  • Combined DPS – 5,149

5/6/0/5/0

  • Mesmer DPS – 1,875
  • Phantasm DPS – 2,824
  • Combined DPS – 4,699

6/4/0/0/4

  • Mesmer DPS – 2,267
  • Phantasm DPS – 3,041
  • Combined DPS – 5,308

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

I sometimes pick 46040 for a strong MoP. There are quite a lot encounters where you don’t need stability, where you have 5 targets, can charge during skips, etc where those 3 loads become very handy. I also use it for places where I want the GS for aoe and want to replace the AA, like at ascalon fractal, or when I want to replace the scepter AA, aka Mossman. I find MoP highly underrated if you ask me.

Btw you shouldn’t compare 56050 with ANY none focus reflection builds. For sure they will deal more damage.

btw thx for your work

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Posted by: MailMail.6534

MailMail.6534

What’s Menders Purity for? Do NPC’s run condition builds these days? Is condi cleanse a thing in PvE now?

You sound really uneducated. Or maybe you’re just late to the current living story stuff. Most PvE Content does not require condi clear whatsoever, but the most recent events do. Running around with 0 condi clear in the Silverwastes will get you… wasted if you aren’t really careful. See what I did there?!

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Posted by: Ryn.6459

Ryn.6459

frifox, ty for those numbers. I will put some effort on mantras.

By the way, on unbuffed groups, full berserker with rangrr runes is the way to.go right?

edit: a full ac run. Oh boy, bad bad dps.

Learning English, any correction is very welcome.

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Posted by: Dack Saris.2418

Dack Saris.2418

“Also, why hate mantra? 3 insta cast AoE stability on 2 sec cd and 3 insta cast AoE condi cleanse on 1s cd? These two are MUCH more effective than blink or nullfield. If you dont need a 3rd utility, take the insta cast AoE daze mantra. Perfect for interrupt, which imo is one of mesmers strong points.”

I see you point, but for me the AoE stability mantra is… WTF only 2 sec, you press the button and it’s already finish. Can’t be pro active, only reactive for me. It’s like veil, without PU 2 sec is too short for me.

And blink make us able to skip some dungeon part.

But you’re true for the condi cleanse. It’s usefull for only 2 charges?

When the 6/4/0/0/4 build is better than the 5/4/0/5/0 ? Phants must stay how long in the play to become most effective? (2 swordman and 1 duelist each time)

I want to ask too : how do you get fury? Only ally? Some sigil?

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Posted by: Xyonon.3987

Xyonon.3987

Stability mantra isn’t for spam, you have to keep an eye on what’s going on and so it’s 3 or 2 times a stability, wich with the low enemy attack speed is the same as a 8 sec guard stabi field. It’s just harder to use. So it’s you, not the mantra that has flaws.

Blink is useless since you won’t be faster in any way. You run with your group anyway and unless you run arah, you won’t need blink.

It’s obvious that 5 points in inspiration will be weak dps wise, since it’s a reflection build and not a dps build. If you want to focus on dmg, either phants or personal, 64004 is stronger than 54050. Don’t compare those builds. What you should compare is 64004 and 66002.

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