Guild Wars 2

Here’s a build based on the latest patch notes. Seems like it could be fun – if only there was a way to get mobility…

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhQQNAW7fl0npGtNqxTNcrNytBdyZcDUHkikySGggB-TFyCABAcEAAU3gnq/s8+DJqEkiLCgEPAgsU+FAABYmzMZWmBH9oH9oH9oNzZOzZOzZWIgFrBA-w

Please dont play Builds like that. Because of that, People qq like hell, and Anet nerfs mesmer again to the ground.

I dont want to be mean..but…you know..

Its builds like this that prove Anet doesn’t plan things through….

What are they smoking? Let me know so I can stay away from it, it apparently makes you stupid.

P.S. – I have an 80 Mesmer as one of my classes and I’m totally doing this.

This build is going to be overpowered in small scale and incredibly easy to play. The amount of condis it can stack is crazy. Most professions have no chances to cleanse even half of that.

I really hope Arenanet reconsiders the scepter changes. Having a powerful condition like torment on auto attack is a bad idea.

I don’t see the big deal, sure it will probably be strong but imo it’s not any more broken than the current condi PU mesmer builds, considering it has a lot less defense. And, really, I don’t see this build being better at condi spam over something like engi, which can do 3-4 conditions with just 1 skill.

Really, all this build does is stack torment and confusion, and the full dire gear prevents consistent bleeds from sharper images.

METAShift.2913:

I don’t see the big deal, sure it will probably be strong but imo it’s not any more broken than the current condi PU mesmer builds, considering it has a lot less defense. And, really, I don’t see this build being better at condi spam over something like engi, which can do 3-4 conditions with just 1 skill.

Really, all this build does is stack torment and confusion, and the full dire gear prevents consistent bleeds from sharper images.

And it still has the weakness of the enemy being able to walk away, but now you get to scratch their back with some torment.

Couple of notes:
- I normally play phantasm build, and will probably continue. Builds like this are just too slow for me in WvW
- I tried making a shatter-condi build after “maim the disillusioned” was first released. It didn’t quite seem to work out, so I was hoping for something more viable.
- There’s certainly another option here with runes of torment (and as an asura, you could replace the interrupt with pain inverter)
- I do want to try a build like this for a while because I suck at playing shatter.
- I agree that dropping some dire for more crit would add more bleed stacks. My goal was to make a build that kept confusion and torment on more or less continuously if possible.

One other note – it’s probably better to use toxic crystal for the extra 10% duration. That gets the torment on shatter up to 9 second duration

Not to be nitpicking, but condition removals relying on only 2 power returns are countered by poison+covering conditions (you may end up having less heal all the time). You could try to add another condition removal or trait for harmonious mantra.

Shatter and confusing images are dodgeable. I play similar build a lot when Miam first comes out and it is hard to keep higher stacks of torment or confusion. Sure you have constant application with the auto-attack changes, but without higher stacks your opponent will also have enough time to CD their heals. When considering other condition builds there and other classes’ condition meta, does this really outshine? If not then it really isn’t overpowered.

eldenbri.1059:

Couple of notes:
- I normally play phantasm build, and will probably continue. Builds like this are just too slow for me in WvW
- I tried making a shatter-condi build after “maim the disillusioned” was first released. It didn’t quite seem to work out, so I was hoping for something more viable.
- There’s certainly another option here with runes of torment (and as an asura, you could replace the interrupt with pain inverter)
- I do want to try a build like this for a while because I suck at playing shatter.
- I agree that dropping some dire for more crit would add more bleed stacks. My goal was to make a build that kept confusion and torment on more or less continuously if possible.

Condi Shatter works fine. Will be stronger after the Patch.

Yea, but other people play builds like that and then Anet nerfs not THIS build, they nerf the whole class to the ground. ^^

MandJ.8965:

Please dont play Builds like that. Because of that, People qq like hell, and Anet nerfs mesmer again to the ground.

I dont want to be mean..but…you know..

I don’t mean to be mean…but you know, actually I do.

They QQ and then You QQ about their QQ
Is the irony lost on you?

I think I will run this build purely on principle.

No mobility = this build is weak.

Anything outside of a 1v1 and you’ll get beaten by half decent players- again if they hang around.

Watch any solid roamer or small group and you’ll see enemies disengage and reengage instead of trying to sustain. Your clones AA’s become worthless at this point.

EnderzShadow.2506:

MandJ.8965:

Please dont play Builds like that. Because of that, People qq like hell, and Anet nerfs mesmer again to the ground.

I dont want to be mean..but…you know..

I don’t mean to be mean…but you know, actually I do.

They QQ and then You QQ about their QQ
Is the irony lost on you?

I think I will run this build purely on principle.

If anet has any sense you won’t be running this build at all. If you do actually get the chance you are basically telling everybody you can’t play so you are going to rely on something as cheese and broken as this. One of the strongest conditions in game on an AA? One of the strongest conditions in game on your clones AA? You can be in stealth while you apply multiple stacks of torment. Like, you can’t even logically defend that, the only reason you are defending it is because you can’t wait to get your hands on some mindless gameplay to appease the small minded.

warriorjrd.8695:

One of the strongest conditions in game on an AA? One of the strongest conditions in game on your clones AA?

Torment, strongest condition in game?

Torment base = 32 (64 while moving) +3.75 per stack per second

hmm…

Bleeding (42.5 tick + 5 per stack per second)
Poison (84 tick + 10 per Second)
Fear (302 tick + 25 per second)
Burning (328 tick + 25 per second)

would like to say hi?

Staff + IE is looking a lot more OP than 1 to 2 stacks of torment on the slowest AA chain our class has to me, but maybe i’m just not blowing the whole thing out of proportion, idk…

Swish.2463:

warriorjrd.8695:

One of the strongest conditions in game on an AA? One of the strongest conditions in game on your clones AA?

Torment, strongest condition in game?

Torment base = 32 (64 while moving) +3.75 per stack per second

hmm…

Bleeding (42.5 tick + 5 per stack per second)
Poison (84 tick + 10 per Second)
Fear (302 tick + 25 per second)
Burning (328 tick + 25 per second)

would like to say hi?

Staff + IE is looking a lot more OP than 1 to 2 stacks of torment on the slowest AA chain our class has to me, but maybe i’m just not blowing the whole thing out of proportion, idk…

Fear only does damage on necro, so you can hardly count that. Poison is a joke, the healing is why it’s used, don’t kid yourself. Torment is stronger than bleeds and burning does more damage but doesn’t stack, hence why I said “one” of the strongest, not the strongest (I know reading comprehension is difficult, but let’s try harder next time shall we?). C’mon, let’s use some sense here shall we? Also the numbers you grabbed may as well display when the target is moving only, because let’s be honest, nobody is going to stand still and just take attacks.

warriorjrd.8695:

Like, you can’t even logically defend that, the only reason you are defending it is because you can’t wait to get your hands on some mindless gameplay to appease the small minded.

I thought all such persons already play warriors.

cheshader.5081:

warriorjrd.8695:

Like, you can’t even logically defend that, the only reason you are defending it is because you can’t wait to get your hands on some mindless gameplay to appease the small minded.

I thought all such persons already play warriors.

Even hambot will take more skill to play than this. And not to creep but I see warriorjrd post on the ranger forums a lot, so idk if he even plays warrior, so don’t judge him for something you’re not even sure about

nearlight.3064:

cheshader.5081:

warriorjrd.8695:

Like, you can’t even logically defend that, the only reason you are defending it is because you can’t wait to get your hands on some mindless gameplay to appease the small minded.

I thought all such persons already play warriors.

Even hambot will take more skill to play than this. And not to creep but I see warriorjrd post on the ranger forums a lot, so idk if he even plays warrior, so don’t judge him for something you’re not even sure about

Wasn’t even looking at his name, nor do I care what he does play.

cheshader.5081:

warriorjrd.8695:

Like, you can’t even logically defend that, the only reason you are defending it is because you can’t wait to get your hands on some mindless gameplay to appease the small minded.

I thought all such persons already play warriors.

Seems some have a mesmer they will dust off in septemeber.

warriorjrd.8695:

cheshader.5081:

warriorjrd.8695:

Like, you can’t even logically defend that, the only reason you are defending it is because you can’t wait to get your hands on some mindless gameplay to appease the small minded.

I thought all such persons already play warriors.

Seems some have a mesmer they will dust off in septemeber.

I most certainly will, for day or two before they nerf it.

Judging from the feed back here, there are going to be a lot of disappointed Mesmers when this patch hits. This build is no more OP than any other build based around Perplexity runes. It lacks the ability to chase, will have limited bleed stacking due to lack of precision and lacks the control to easily land shatters. There is also 0 team support in this build.

Staff clones are getting twice the condition application. All hail the master race !

Anet doesn’t and shouldn’t be basing balance changes upon a sub game-type. They should be balancing around WvW/PvE/PvP, NOT WvW roaming or 1v1s. This is guild wars. Emphasis on the guild part.

EnderzShadow.2506:

MandJ.8965:

Please dont play Builds like that. Because of that, People qq like hell, and Anet nerfs mesmer again to the ground.

I dont want to be mean..but…you know..

I don’t mean to be mean…but you know, actually I do.

They QQ and then You QQ about their QQ
Is the irony lost on you?

I think I will run this build purely on principle.

Yea, play that my friend. Play whatever you want.
But it tells me what kind of person you are

MandJ.8965:

EnderzShadow.2506:

MandJ.8965:

Please dont play Builds like that. Because of that, People qq like hell, and Anet nerfs mesmer again to the ground.

I dont want to be mean..but…you know..

I don’t mean to be mean…but you know, actually I do.

They QQ and then You QQ about their QQ
Is the irony lost on you?

I think I will run this build purely on principle.

Yea, play that my friend. Play whatever you want.
But it tells me what kind of person you are

What kind of person is that? I’d like for you to spell it out clearly.

MandJ.8965:

EnderzShadow.2506:

MandJ.8965:

Please dont play Builds like that. Because of that, People qq like hell, and Anet nerfs mesmer again to the ground.

I dont want to be mean..but…you know..

I don’t mean to be mean…but you know, actually I do.

They QQ and then You QQ about their QQ
Is the irony lost on you?

I think I will run this build purely on principle.

Yea, play that my friend. Play whatever you want.
But it tells me what kind of person you are

Yes, we’re the kind of people that will trash you in a fight and then feast on your tears.

Ross Biddle.2367:

MandJ.8965:

EnderzShadow.2506:

MandJ.8965:

Please dont play Builds like that. Because of that, People qq like hell, and Anet nerfs mesmer again to the ground.

I dont want to be mean..but…you know..

I don’t mean to be mean…but you know, actually I do.

They QQ and then You QQ about their QQ
Is the irony lost on you?

I think I will run this build purely on principle.

Yea, play that my friend. Play whatever you want.
But it tells me what kind of person you are

What kind of person is that? I’d like for you to spell it out clearly.

I call that ‘Noob’. Playing cheesy builds and beat everything because the build is op. If you are a great player, you can win with balanced builds, you dont need that cheesy s***.
→ Dont get me wrong, i dont call the players ‘noob’, who create cheesy builds!
@Fay
No, i dont think so.

This is what I bet more than half the mesmers are going to be playing. Maybe the rest, 40% will be mantra/phantasm and PU. The 10% will be power shatter. With alot of people running tanky rabid/dire gear, will power shatter even be viable anymore? I worry that Mind Wrack, even with full glass, will do nothing against the condition bombardment.

#EasyCheesyPainfulMesmer

Condition tank.

The ridiculous state of PvP in GW2, so forgiving and easy to play, just spam clones to apply conditions automatically or when they die. No skill required, maximum reward for minimum risk – this is what the condition meta for GW2 has become.

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhQQNAW7fl0npGtNqxTNcrNytBZyKMCUHkikySGggB-TFyCABAcEAAU3gnq/s8+DJqEkiLCgEPAgsU+FAABYmzMZWmBH9oH9oH9oNzZOzZOzZWIgFrBA-w

this works also a little more condi with it focus more on the staff I didn’t do second weapon set but be sceptoe focus most likly