Guild Wars 2

I don’t know what build get after the patch, what do u suggest me to use in PvE? (running full zerk gear atm)

10/20/0/25/15 or 0/30/0/25/15 or still the old one’s 10/30/0/30/0 or 20/20/0/30/0.

What’s your playstyle?

10/20/0/25/15 or 0/30/0/25/15 depending on whether you want the extra damage from mantras.

running 10/15/0/25/20 atm. works fine

@blutstein – if you’re using the /20 for phantasmal haste, I wouldn’t bother – it’s bugged on the vast majority of our phantasms now..

rather get Blade Training or Duelist’s Discipline.

yeah wanna try it if its still bugged. But it works for warden and warlock, the setup i run atm. On top of that blade training and Duelists is kind of meh to with IC because the cd Reduction for the illusions don’t stack.

totally going:

10/20/0/25/15
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQJAsNIJOzg5LH9BsTqgqLpA38G

Unless you use sword/pistol X/focus…in that case you would think to go 0/30/0/25/15

PU→stealth→profit

i think you missed the “PVE” part.

blutstein.2468:

yeah wanna try it if its still bugged. But it works for warden and warlock, the setup i run atm. On top of that blade training and Duelists is kind of meh to with IC because the cd Reduction for the illusions don’t stack.

I tested yesterday all the phantasms and iSwordman, iBerserker, iMariner aswell our loved iWarden are all bugged. Only iDuellist and iWarlock can make use of this trait. Throw it away and hell – 20 in duelling is a must have!!!

LordByron.8369:

totally going:

10/20/0/25/15
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQJAsNIJOzg5LH9BsTqgqLpA38G

Unless you use sword/pistol X/focus…in that case you would think to go 0/30/0/25/15

Well I use everything depending on the situation, so I use pistol aswell, however trating it is not worth it since it gives you just a low benefit compared to +17.25% damage for all phantasms imo

I’ll still use the “meta” build for organised group 10/30/0/20/10, but I do change it depending on the dungeon and if I need extra reflection or not (30/30/0/0/10 or 20/30/0/0/20)

And if you don’t like playing with mantras and you want a phantasm + reflection build, you should go for 10/20/0/25/15 like LordByron said

When (if) they fix PhantHaste, the PvE meta build might be
10/20/0/20/20

My build is (due to restorative mantras & focus)
0/20/0/30/20
hoping they fix phanthaste and pWarden soon …

That’s exactly what I wanted to to Nretep, but due PH I’m 10/20/0/25/15 atm, trying to be able to keep my utility with just 2 inspiration skills :s

y i do play Pve most and i use gs and s/s but i was wondering for higher fractal level should i change something in my gear?and which of those should i pick :S

shameless.4728:

y i do play Pve most and i use gs and s/s but i was wondering for higher fractal level should i change something in my gear?and which of those should i pick :S

You should consider getting a focus (for the extra projectile reflection when traited), and play mostly S/F – S/S. Try to not use the GS or only when all your group is ranging (i.e. Legendary Imbued Shaman, except for the shield/grub phase, Legendary Archdiviner, Old Tom if you don’t know how to melee it). But you should consider that melee gives the best DPS in the game.

^Almost what Jeremlloyd said.

Mainly go Sword/Focus and Sword/Sword. If no reflection is required switch the focus with the pistol for highest damage. Try not to run GS unless there are trashmobs. If you require range badly, better take a scepter (mossman for example for the additional block) or a staff (imbued shaman for dodging his projectile and lure it to your 2 skill). Those are just examples. Just keep all weapons in your inventory.

Xyonon.3987:

^Almost what Jeremlloyd said.

Mainly go Sword/Focus and Sword/Sword. If no reflection is required switch the focus with the pistol for highest damage. Try not to run GS unless there are trashmobs. If you require range badly, better take a scepter (mossman for example for the additional block) or a staff (imbued shaman for dodging his projectile and lure it to your 2 skill). Those are just examples. Just keep all weapons in your inventory.

I don’t like the staff at all (except for trolling ppl in Arah), and for Imbued shaman, at max range you just need side stepping (move left / right quickly) and you’ll avoid arrows without even dodging

Jeremlloyd.6837:

shameless.4728:

y i do play Pve most and i use gs and s/s but i was wondering for higher fractal level should i change something in my gear?and which of those should i pick :S

You should consider getting a focus (for the extra projectile reflection when traited), and play mostly S/F – S/S. Try to not use the GS or only when all your group is ranging (i.e. Legendary Imbued Shaman, except for the shield/grub phase, Legendary Archdiviner, Old Tom if you don’t know how to melee it). But you should consider that melee gives the best DPS in the game.

remember GS is AoE >.>

Just in case you happens by “few” dredges…

Nretep.2564:

When (if) they fix PhantHaste, the PvE meta build might be
10/20/0/20/20

My build is (due to restorative mantras & focus)
0/20/0/30/20
hoping they fix phanthaste and pWarden soon …

Hah!! You must be joking. pHaste has been broken for a very long time, and if we don’t get a fix on the iWarden in the next patch, then expect it to stay broken for as long as iZerker was (i.e., months).

Aside from that, I am running 10/20/0/25/15, the new standard for phantasms and it might change to 10/20/0/20/20 if pHaste is magically fixed. As colesy made me remember, I’ve actually debated 10/30/0/10/20 or 15/30/0/10/15 until the iWarden is fixed.

It’s funny how the bugs the mesmer has affects the traits so heavy… actually … no it’s not even funny anymore.

LordByron.8369:

Jeremlloyd.6837:

shameless.4728:

y i do play Pve most and i use gs and s/s but i was wondering for higher fractal level should i change something in my gear?and which of those should i pick :S

You should consider getting a focus (for the extra projectile reflection when traited), and play mostly S/F – S/S. Try to not use the GS or only when all your group is ranging (i.e. Legendary Imbued Shaman, except for the shield/grub phase, Legendary Archdiviner, Old Tom if you don’t know how to melee it). But you should consider that melee gives the best DPS in the game.

remember GS is AoE >.>

Just in case you happens by “few” dredges…

I know the iZerker is AoE I’m normally using it at the start of the fight and quickly equip the focus or OH sword back before the iZerker attack. And usually, we just LoS the dredges so I don’t even need it

Well GS 2 and 3 won’t suck too, especially against dredges (3) aswell 5 for stack and interrupt their buffing. The only reasony why the GS sux is the AA, it’s not worth picking it just for the zerker alone.

Yeah but the Sword AA chain remove boons as well, and you got Null Field for boon removal

Jeremlloyd.6837:

I know the iZerker is AoE I’m normally using it at the start of the fight and quickly equip the focus or OH sword back before the iZerker attack. And usually, we just LoS the dredges so I don’t even need it

the only way to LoS dredge is behind other dredges >.>
at certain levels…..

Btw izerk + iwarden is what you want when you need aoes…

You also get Vulnerability with MH sword. GS is just weak.

LordByron.8369:

Jeremlloyd.6837:

I know the iZerker is AoE I’m normally using it at the start of the fight and quickly equip the focus or OH sword back before the iZerker attack. And usually, we just LoS the dredges so I don’t even need it

the only way to LoS dredge is behind other dredges >.>
at certain levels…..

Btw izerk + iwarden is what you want when you need aoes…

If you speak about fractal 43/44, yeah you have to rely a lot on phantasm and iZerker / iWarden is the best option, but since I did them already, I don’t even bother using GS on the dredge fractal anymore.

I think every mesmer will agree, pure damage is S/x domain. There is no arguing around that. Now I get the GS hate most people have, but there are a couple of reasons NOT to go S/x+S/x.

a. shared cooldown on first 3 skills for both mh swords
b. pure melee range. this is mostly a l2p issue but there are those situation where you REALLY want to stay at range or going melee all the time is suicide

This poses following problem. Our only other mh weapon is the scepter. Sort of a no-go for pve damage wise. If we now take into account our 2-hand options we are left with GS and staff. GS wins on damage here especially with well placed izerkers.

So to sum up:

- If you want to minimize inventory swaping go gs+s/x (and once they fix pwarden s/f ideally with traited focus)
- be sure to keep following weapons on hand:
MINIMUM: Sword, Focus, GS, Pistol
IDEAL: 2xSword, Focus, GS, Pistol, Staff, Torch
ALL OUT: 3xSword, Focus, GS, Pistol, Staff, Scepter, Torch

You can get a White torch for what is used for

Cyninja.2954:

I think every mesmer will agree, pure damage is S/x domain. There is no arguing around that. Now I get the GS hate most people have, but there are a couple of reasons NOT to go S/x+S/x.

a. shared cooldown on first 3 skills for both mh swords
b. pure melee range. this is mostly a l2p issue but there are those situation where you REALLY want to stay at range or going melee all the time is suicide

This poses following problem. Our only other mh weapon is the scepter. Sort of a no-go for pve damage wise. If we now take into account our 2-hand options we are left with GS and staff. GS wins on damage here especially with well placed izerkers.

So to sum up:

- If you want to minimize inventory swaping go gs+s/x (and once they fix pwarden s/f ideally with traited focus)
- be sure to keep following weapons on hand:
MINIMUM: Sword, Focus, GS, Pistol
IDEAL: 2xSword, Focus, GS, Pistol, Staff, Torch
ALL OUT: 3xSword, Focus, GS, Pistol, Staff, Scepter, Torch

I never said I hate the GS, I use it from time to time depending of the situation, but it’s really rare

So if your an odd ball like me and like to use s/p+s/f would a 10/20/0/20/20 build be the best way to go atm?

Jeremlloyd.6837:

I never said I hate the GS, I use it from time to time depending of the situation, but it’s really rare

I used that phrasing only for dramatic effect.

Ikaros.5730:

So if your an odd ball like me and like to use s/p+s/f would a 10/20/0/20/20 build be the best way to go atm?

That’s pretty much the new Phantasm Meta build except that Phantasmal Haste is bugged on Swordsman & Warden (Spear and Zerker too). It might be better to go 10/20/0/25/15 until fixed.

edit: Missed Pistol. Swordsman would be better unless you need the range, then Pistol (re-trait for it) might be better for the situation.

No – s/s + s/f since you doubletrait with 20 in duelling.

blutstein.2468:

On top of that blade training and Duelists is kind of meh to with IC because the cd Reduction for the illusions don’t stack.

Unless something has changed, the cd reduction does actually stack – only the tooltip is bugged. Try it, you should be getting 12 second Swordsmen with Blade Training + IC.

Jeremlloyd.6837:

I’ll still use the “meta” build for organised group 10/30/0/20/10,

That ‘meta’ build is almost certainly inferior to 0/30/0/25/15 now. Trading Empowered Illusions for both Phantasmal Strength and Illusionist’s Celerity is a no-brainer. You still get 15% damage for your phantasms, and now you get cd reduction for them as well.

Well you lose 100 power with that build. Also during most fight I can have at least 2 phantasm up so the IC is quite useless for me

Sustained DPS tested in HotM. 3 swordsmans + sword auto-attack, zerk amulet/jewel, ranger runes, no sigils.

2,052 dps = 0/0/0/0/0
3,332 dps = 10/20/0/25/15 (0 mantras)
3,444 dps = 0/30/0/25/15 (4 mantras)
3,512 dps = 10/30/0/20/10 (3 mantras)
3,944 dps = 30/30/0/0/10 (4 mantras) (3 duelists)
4,117 dps = 30/30/0/0/10 (4 mantras)

The DPS numbers are calculated from the average of 10 to 15 consecutive indestructable golem kill times. The golem has 78,870 health points. The numbers I believe could have an error margin of 100 DPS (bleeds are ticking for 50 to 150) so I will need to do more extensive testing if I want more accurate data.

PS: for 30/x/x/x/x builds Wastrel’s Punishment could be adding extra 5% dps due to golem not using any skills and triggering the trait. This test also assumes 3 iswordsmans so builds that have dual CD reductions might actually perform better vs those with one or no CD reductions.

Cyninja.2954:

- be sure to keep following weapons on hand:
MINIMUM: Sword, Focus, GS, Pistol
IDEAL: 2xSword, Focus, GS, Pistol, Staff, Torch
ALL OUT: 3xSword, Focus, GS, Pistol, Staff, Scepter, Torch

Why 3xSword? If you equip S/S and <nothing>/F you get S/S and S/F when swapping. Or is it something else I’m not aware of?

Cyninja.2954:

- be sure to keep following weapons on hand:
MINIMUM: Sword, Focus, GS, Pistol
IDEAL: 2xSword, Focus, GS, Pistol, Staff, Torch
ALL OUT: 3xSword, Focus, GS, Pistol, Staff, Scepter, Torch

You … think the Torch is > the Scepter o.O wtf.

Valarauka.2719:

Jeremlloyd.6837:

I’ll still use the “meta” build for organised group 10/30/0/20/10,

That ‘meta’ build is almost certainly inferior to 0/30/0/25/15 now. Trading Empowered Illusions for both Phantasmal Strength and Illusionist’s Celerity is a no-brainer. You still get 15% damage for your phantasms, and now you get cd reduction for them as well.

Jeremlloyd.6837:

Well you lose 100 power with that build. Also during most fight I can have at least 2 phantasm up so the IC is quite useless for me

100 power is about 4% damage for you and your phantasms. I’d really like to spend another 4% damage for 20% cdr on 30% of our skills :P However I cannot understand anymore why to trait for 30 in duelling instead of +17.25% phantasmal damage. You can trait your pistol OR go for mantra damage. However since we now got that spawn-an-army signet aswell you will allways have 1 utility slot filled with not a mantra, you will have about 2 mantras in general and only IF they are charged you recive the 8% damage. 8% damage for me or 17.25 for my phantasms aswell a useful passive. Easy desicion tbh.

Before the nerf my build was 0/20/20/10/20. After the nerf it was 0/20/20/0/30. I’m a condition/tanky mesmer.

I just changed it back to the former build. It’s nice to have my old build back.

CrazyAce.3842:

Before the nerf my build was 0/20/20/10/20. After the nerf it was 0/20/20/0/30. I’m a condition/tanky mesmer.

I just changed it back to the former build. It’s nice to have my old build back.

Do you play WvW, PvP or PvE?

Xyonon.3987:

CrazyAce.3842:

Before the nerf my build was 0/20/20/10/20. After the nerf it was 0/20/20/0/30. I’m a condition/tanky mesmer.

I just changed it back to the former build. It’s nice to have my old build back.

Do you play WvW, PvP or PvE?

Mostly PvE with a bit of WvW here and there for the variety. My build is mostly built around the Staff and survivability, and I’m almost always the last person standing when things go south.

Condition damage is just bad for PvE, you should always go full damage. And for all PvE content a full berserker team can do everything.

condition damage is situational for pve…
not totally useless.
Expecially since last updates.

Unfortunately confusion is still bad….

Condition damage in PvE is important, however increasing it is bad compared to power.

I used to be a power build, but I got bored with it. My Necro, Warrior, Thief, and Ranger are all power builds and I wanted some godkitten variety.

And I love the staff for mesmer. Probably my favorite weapon in the game, with a good balance of defensive abilities.

Besides, power builds often tend to be squishier, and I wanted a build I could survive anything with. I can solo most standard champions no problems with this build. There are no enrage timers in this game for bosses, so staying alive > doing damage.

Well the necro is the least bad condition class for pve. Better try him.

The mesmer got so much survivability, you got permavigor (dodge), got plenty of blocks, blurred frenzy and F4. You often can evade every attack unless it’s a mob spawner or enrages, but that happens only to orr in general. Also in dungeons / fotm your maties want to kill enemies fast since they aren’t tanky and a dead enemy won’t deal any damage anymore. Sure you may not have any probelms with your build, but you could kill the enemy twice as fast with almost 0 risk with a bit skill.

Yeah for condition damage u should use a necro or an engineer

10/20/0/25/15; sword/sword + sword/focus; +30% Phantasm damage, +Phantasm Fury, traited focus and sword, as well as traited glamours. I also use the new signet because of the 20% clone cd reduction.

It’s actually 1.15^2 = 1.3225 -> +32.25% Phantasm damage. That’s why you allways should aim for both +15% so you get more % because of ... well ... math

Oh, it is multiplicative ?! o.0

PS: Dame warriors OP !