Guild Wars 2

Need some opinions, trying to create a wvw hybrid build for roaming based on the pvp meta variant, you think the below can work? Any suggestions?
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAW8encfClph1qBGrBcrhlmjq+QX0HF9C6nJ7MBKgAA-TVCCABW8AAA4gAMwFAgO1fwX3wz7PUxRAQRlgip8jUALqsC-w

(pure) Celestial doesn’t really work unless you can might stack, otherwise it’s best to go something like 50% celestial and the rest power. So for Mesmer you’re options are limited to a few traits, like might on shatter trait and the GS might strait. If you picked one of those up and some boon duration you’d get a viable build, but generally for Mesmer roaming its best to go full damage or full condi (or maybe glass viper).

Exactly as roamzero said, full cele isn’t a good idea without the ability to might stack (and you have to choose between MtD and Shattered Strength…). Your damage output will be very mediocre.

I personally use cele trinkets with viper weapons and armour (cele chestpiece). I have found it to work well while solo roaming or small group – the cele trinkets provide just enough stats to not be one shot and viper gives you the teeth to do damage.

Curunen.8729:

Exactly as roamzero said, full cele isn’t a good idea without the ability to might stack (and you have to choose between MtD and Shattered Strength…). Your damage output will be very mediocre.

I personally use cele trinkets with viper weapons and armour (cele chestpiece). I have found it to work well while solo roaming or small group – the cele trinkets provide just enough stats to not be one shot and viper gives you the teeth to do damage.

Ty for the responses guys, mind sharing which weapos are you using for the viper build?

PadreNike.1803:

Curunen.8729:

Exactly as roamzero said, full cele isn’t a good idea without the ability to might stack (and you have to choose between MtD and Shattered Strength…). Your damage output will be very mediocre.

I personally use cele trinkets with viper weapons and armour (cele chestpiece). I have found it to work well while solo roaming or small group – the cele trinkets provide just enough stats to not be one shot and viper gives you the teeth to do damage.

Ty for the responses guys, mind sharing which weapos are you using for the viper build?

<s>Sure I’ve replied to your PM. Seems there’s a character limit that ate most of my message though</s>

EDIT: oh, oops – just realised you’re a different person! :o

I use Sword/Torch pretty much all the time and swap out the other weapon depending on mood. I like greatsword thanks to might stack and vuln stack on mirror blade – can get decent small F1 burst with subsequent condition ticks. Also enemies don’t seem to get it – they expect zerker damage when you burst in greatsword and the conditions seem to (really) confuse people.

I believe staff is a pvp weapon – not a wvw weapon. It trivialises positioning in pvp maps, however in open field phase retreat isn’t so great, especially given the scary HoT builds that exist out there. Also your ability to chase is pathetic, and enemies will be able to run due to lower burst damage so you need to be able to chase and keep up pressure.

I am currently testing Scepter/Focus + Sword/Torch but need to recraft my ascended Focus (had deleted it due to uselessness many months ago). So far it is proving to be decent – not amazing because focus untraited is bad compared with Shield, but it is a fun weapon combo.

Scepter/Shield is of course godly, but I dunno – just feels too defensive with all those blocks. I like going aggressive with greatsword or pulling enemies into shatter with Temporal Curtain.

Oh and Scepter/Pistol is also fun – first time I’ve truly enjoyed using Pistol. However it scales very badly as number of enemies increase so I rarely use this.

This is the great thing about hybrid stats – you can swap out weapons depending on mood and still be effective. The only set I always use is Sword/Torch. Everything else I rotate depending on mood. But never offhand sword – I don’t like offhand sword when using these stats.

Curunen.8729:

PadreNike.1803:

Curunen.8729:

Exactly as roamzero said, full cele isn’t a good idea without the ability to might stack (and you have to choose between MtD and Shattered Strength…). Your damage output will be very mediocre.

I personally use cele trinkets with viper weapons and armour (cele chestpiece). I have found it to work well while solo roaming or small group – the cele trinkets provide just enough stats to not be one shot and viper gives you the teeth to do damage.

Ty for the responses guys, mind sharing which weapos are you using for the viper build?

<s>Sure I’ve replied to your PM. Seems there’s a character limit that ate most of my message though</s>

EDIT: oh, oops – just realised you’re a different person! :o

I use Sword/Torch pretty much all the time and swap out the other weapon depending on mood. I like greatsword thanks to might stack and vuln stack on mirror blade – can get decent small F1 burst with subsequent condition ticks. Also enemies don’t seem to get it – they expect zerker damage when you burst in greatsword and the conditions seem to (really) confuse people.

I believe staff is a pvp weapon – not a wvw weapon. It trivialises positioning in pvp maps, however in open field phase retreat isn’t so great, especially given the scary HoT builds that exist out there. Also your ability to chase is pathetic, and enemies will be able to run due to lower burst damage so you need to be able to chase and keep up pressure.

I am currently testing Scepter/Focus + Sword/Torch but need to recraft my ascended Focus (had deleted it due to uselessness many months ago). So far it is proving to be decent – not amazing because focus untraited is bad compared with Shield, but it is a fun weapon combo.

Scepter/Shield is of course godly, but I dunno – just feels too defensive with all those blocks. I like going aggressive with greatsword or pulling enemies into shatter with Temporal Curtain.

Oh and Scepter/Pistol is also fun – first time I’ve truly enjoyed using Pistol. However it scales very badly as number of enemies increase so I rarely use this.

This is the great thing about hybrid stats – you can swap out weapons depending on mood and still be effective. The only set I always use is Sword/Torch. Everything else I rotate depending on mood. But never offhand sword – I don’t like offhand sword when using these stats.

Thanks!

It’s true about staff being a “utility” weapon in pvp, I’ve been experimenting for a while now with Sw/shield Scepter/torch with carrion amulet in PVP, it’s very strong for 1v1s so I wanted to try to recreate the build for WvW and actually improve it with the stat flexability available in wvw.

Curunen.8729:

I believe staff is a pvp weapon – not a wvw weapon. It trivialises positioning in pvp maps, however in open field phase retreat isn’t so great, especially given the scary HoT builds that exist out there. Also your ability to chase is pathetic, and enemies will be able to run due to lower burst damage so you need to be able to chase and keep up pressure.

I have to disagree on this.

Staff is still a very good weapon for roaming. With perma protection, aegis and phase retreat kitting, it becomes gold against the power creep found in wvw.

In open field, Phase retreat is still very valuable, not only you can run faster (camera back+#2+camera back), it also puts mesmer as a good escape profession (PR+blink is 2100 range forward your enemies, plus having PR at just 5s CD if played well).

And damage isn’t that low (of course AA, phantasm and chaos armor need rework). In condi builds clones can be deadly. In a power build Phase Retreat+MW becomes a nice unpredictable burst, and when the phantasm hits, it hits hard.

The thing is staff is a weapon that requires some build up to shine with boon stacking and chaos armor management, contrary to other weapons that are more straight forward.

Ansau.7326:

Curunen.8729:

I believe staff is a pvp weapon – not a wvw weapon. It trivialises positioning in pvp maps, however in open field phase retreat isn’t so great, especially given the scary HoT builds that exist out there. Also your ability to chase is pathetic, and enemies will be able to run due to lower burst damage so you need to be able to chase and keep up pressure.

I have to disagree on this.

Staff is still a very good weapon for roaming. With perma protection, aegis and phase retreat kitting, it becomes gold against the power creep found in wvw.

In open field, Phase retreat is still very valuable, not only you can run faster (camera back+#2+camera back), it also puts mesmer as a good escape profession (PR+blink is 2100 range forward your enemies, plus having PR at just 5s CD if played well).

And damage isn’t that low (of course AA, phantasm and chaos armor need rework). In condi builds clones can be deadly. In a power build Phase Retreat+MW becomes a nice unpredictable burst, and when the phantasm hits, it hits hard.

The thing is staff is a weapon that requires some build up to shine with boon stacking and chaos armor management, contrary to other weapons that are more straight forward.

Perma protection is only when traited though and Chaos isn’t as good as other trait lines right now.

I don’t rate chaos armour that good unless traited.

I find 2 and 5 are excellent in pvp – 2 for kiting using map terrain and 5 for stomp/res interrupt and self boons. But in wvw I find the aegis proc(s) on 5 doesn’t provide much for survival, and if being chased by a group I find that 2 does very little for survival. However as you say 2 is best used offensively for surprise burst and position and in this aspect it is fantastic.

AA is ok – shines best with hybrid stats, although when chasing enemies to kill I personally find it is not as good as having say an iZerker/mirrorblade/spatialsurge/mindstab available.

When iWarlock hits it’s great, when it misses it’s kitten. Also not great for chasing.

To clarify – all the above is from using hybrid stats and having Sword/Torch in the opposite set which has zero chase potential. So it is not possible to 100-0 (or even 100-10) in a burst therefore some form of chase must be available otherwise enemies can run. In pvp this isn’t an issue.

But sure I have seen people play very well with staff and I do enjoy playing it myself in wvw. However it has big weaknesses and does require the right build/stats and counterpart weapon set to function well.

(Edit – for the record I do love staff enough to have made bifrost, never made another legendary)

What do u guys think of this build then?
Viper/cele with sw/sh sc/to:
http://en.gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQRArf8encfClphNqBOoBcrhFnjquQT0GFtC2nE4MAGgED-TlCCQB4TjQFOCAwTfAAOIAKSJ4z2fQgq/MgTAgyeAAiR5HhAWsGA-w

I’d change the trailblazer weapons to viper as well – otherwise loss of power/direct damage.

But sure, test it out if you have the gear and see how it goes.