Guild Wars 2

Does anyone have try both in pve/WvW or dungeon? Any major different with dmg/support between both? (For sword/focus , gs build)

For PvE/dungeons/fractals, berserker all the way. Celestial, you give up way too much power and precision, and the extra survival stats / condition damage etc. aren’t worth anything.

In WvW I could see a case for taking SOME celestial parts in a hybrid build, particularly head/chest/legs on armor since those somewhat make up for the damage loss by actually having better crit dmg than zerker, and the added tankiness is actually valuable.

Here’s a hybrid gear setup I made based off of BlackDevil’s thread, which swaps around some of his equipment for Celestial and achieves almost strictly better stats across the board.

The only good thing about celestial is the crit damage, which is the same as verserker.

That said… Celestial is a horrible choice for anything.

• You do mediocre power damage, because your power and crit chance is too low.
• You do very low condition damage, because yoy have low… Condition damage.
• support? Healing power =/= support. Even if t was, it would br too insignigicant to do anything
• you have a bit of toughness and vit. Keyword: a bit.
• condi/power hybrid doesnt really work, except with the duelist. That fact already makes celestal pretty bad.

As a general rule, adding some celestial to berserker for a tougher build can be useful IF you have significant conditions and/or healing power. Otherwise soldier is probably better.

As others said in pve pure berserker is fairly common anyway

Alissah.9281:

The only good thing about celestial is the crit damage, which is the same as verserker.

That said… Celestial is a horrible choice for anything.

• You do mediocre power damage, because your power and crit chance is too low.
• You do very low condition damage, because yoy have low… Condition damage.
• support? Healing power =/= support. Even if t was, it would br too insignigicant to do anything
• you have a bit of toughness and vit. Keyword: a bit.
• condi/power hybrid doesnt really work, except with the duelist. That fact already makes celestal pretty bad.

Thx that what i wanted to know

Ignoring that Berserker is objectively the best thing to use in a PvE envrionment, Celestial is bad as you give up stats you want for stats you don’t.

In my experience, if you’re going to faff about with Celestial, you’re better off doing it via Trinkets. Either way, you’re going to give up more “specialized” performance in order to do a certain (if smallish) bit better in other areas.
Also, that way allows for using your weapon/armor combo as a “main” method of switching EQ specs on the fly. The setup works much better in WvW, which is fine by me considering I don’t PvE for crap these days. (Unless I’m amused by the current LS, or something).

Berserker… Objectively the best… wut?

Carrion, Soldier, Valkyrie, Rampager, Celestial, Dire all have places in PvE builds. Try running a Berserker build on a condi necro and I’ll laugh at you.

Something being the best suited to the most common builds doesn’t mean that it is the best for everything.

Most people don’t even know how much Precision is needed to get 1% crit chance, and by extension of that how bad Precision is as a damage dealing stat relative to Power or Condition Damage. Or that precision still has a place when used with oncrit traits, sigils etc.

Let’s just put it this way, OP. Decide on your weapons first, traits second based on weapon style, utilities third based on traits, then gear to complement what the build needs. Some builds need only 3-4 stats. Some require all. Celestial is not a dumping ground for people who can’t make up their mind what they want to do, or for people who don’t know what stat to boost. It’s meant for the few builds that use either every, or all but one stat – in all other cases you’ll want to mix 3-stat equipments instead.

Based on GS/Sword+focus by the way, your condition damage is going to be low enough that your optimal gear sets will end up being based on Berserker, Soldier (if you are main damager), Knight (if phantasms are main damager) and Valkyrie gear, and Celestial will not be of use to your chosen weapon combination. That does not mean it will not be of any use at all.

There are no fail stats/skills/weapons, there are a few fail traits, and there are many fail builds.

I run zerker all the way. The mobs drop way faster than condition builds in PvE. Pvp you can do condition route, but if you are mainly a pve’r stick with zerker builds now. Unfortunately, the mesmer condition stacking is non-optimal especially compared to a necromancer.

Hayashi.3416:

Try running a Berserker build on a condi necro and I’ll laugh at you.

Thats why you don’t run berserker ona condi necro :P.

You use condition damage for condi necro, or berserker on power necro. Yes, power necros exist.

For PvE – Berserker all the way, regardless of class.