Chrono trait line useless?
Not useless… but not mandatory anymore. It is still mandatory in PvE, but in PvP, offensive builds may have better results without while bunker builds probably still need it.
I dropped the chronomancer traits ( the reason I bought HoT ) and am having some success with PU condi phantasm Mesmer atm.
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Continuum shift is too good to drop it completely even if all tho the other are now trash and illusions does a better job of shortening cds
I feel that any and all classes aren’t useless, and the only people that say so are the l33tz0rs and metaplayers, players that had entire builds centered on the skills nerfed.
So of course they are raging all over the forums about it.
The chrono class only received two nerfs and they were big but the line itself is still very much so strong and viable. I find it especially useful as a sort of a secondary phantasm traitline, the ability to resummon phantasms and clones and give them superspeed on shatters is extremely useful.
I feel that any and all classes aren’t useless, and the only people that say so are the l33tz0rs and metaplayers, players that had entire builds centered on the skills nerfed.
So of course they are raging all over the forums about it.
The chrono class only received two nerfs and they were big but the line itself is still very much so strong and viable. I find it especially useful as a sort of a secondary phantasm traitline, the ability to resummon phantasms and clones and give them superspeed on shatters is extremely useful.
I’ve actually always had mixed feeling for super speed and Chrono Phantasma.
1. Superspeed is bad if the opponent is actively dodging, but good if the opponent is just running away/bad at the game.
Why is that? Well a dodge only lasts so long, ofc. It’s possible for illusions farther away to reach their target after their dodges have ended. Meaning they still do damage.
Thus, super speed from my perspective, is not a straight buff.
And the other two traits we can get, are complete garbage.
I have 0 reason to run any wells other than gravity well (And I don’t even run that). And I have 0 reason to care about slow on interrupt. My interrupts are dazes? If a daze isn’t stopping someone, a slow isn’t.
But you say, “What about the 30% crit on slowed enemies”
Yeah, useless. I have 54% crit.. What do I need more for? Other than a bit of fury here and there, I really don’t care about more crit.
It could be good on builds without precision that still want on crit sigils, I guess? Yeah, I’ve got nothing.
Alacrity isn’t enough cooldown for me to care, so no to that trait.
And illusionary reversion… sigh…
Better than nothing?
Lost time? Stay lost.
Seize the moment? Lost all meaning without quickness stomps.
Chrono Phantasma? The only GM worth running. Lets me sacrifice that kittenty torch phantasm twice! HELL YEAHHHHH!
All in all, i’m left with the “arguably good” time catches up.
The “meh” illusionary reversion.
And the even more “meh” chrono phantasma.
Pretty crappy trait line, all in all.
2. EVERYTHING I JUST SAID, IS EVEN WORSE FOR WvW, WHICH IS THE ONLY GAME MODE IN THIS GAME THAT I STILL CARE ABOUT.
“Unused Development Initiative. We care so much
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
EVERYTHING I JUST SAID, IS EVEN WORSE FOR WvW, WHICH IS THE ONLY GAME MODE IN THIS GAME THAT I STILL CARE ABOUT.
Lol. PvP isn’t this games strongest suit, nor is it the only gamemode. I’ve used all the chrono traits and find they all have usefulness in pve, not all the time but no build is perfect for everything, it’s how you play them which verifies their usefullness.
25% speed boost from chrono, continuum shift Moa is pretty much all we got now
What does chronomancer brings us (non exhaustive):
- wells, i.e. skills you have to be standing for 3s to get benefits
- shield, i.e. a weapon meant for defense
- 30% crit chance on slow, i.e. a way to get decent damage while running no-crit (e.g. more defensive) amulets
Conclusion: chronomancer is all designed for bunker or bruiser builds. Chrono should not be an obvious choice for any build, and in particular, I personally think the fact that power shatter is not straight better with chrono is a good thing: this is a part of build diversity.
We are back on a situation where any dom+duel+X gives you a viable power shatter in a different way. But now we also have chaos+insp+chrono (still working fine) and even some nice interrupt dom+chaos+chrono builds.
Now the only things we need are:
- all other OP professions brought down to core-spec level
- some buff to our sustained damage
I feel that any and all classes aren’t useless, and the only people that say so are the l33tz0rs and metaplayers, players that had entire builds centered on the skills nerfed.
So of course they are raging all over the forums about it.
The chrono class only received two nerfs and they were big but the line itself is still very much so strong and viable. I find it especially useful as a sort of a secondary phantasm traitline, the ability to resummon phantasms and clones and give them superspeed on shatters is extremely useful.
Continuum split is what really makes this trait line worth taking. With continuum split in the trait line, I still think this trait line is required. Mes pretty much needs it as well to keep up with the other specializations. However, I would also like to point out that the chrono line received more than two nerfs.
1. alacrity nerfed 66% to 33% (actually not really a trait nerf, but it affects the whole line)
2. Flow of time nerf from 1 sec to 3/4 sec
3. illusionary reversion nerf to a requirement of two illusions
4. Lost time nerf to require 5 and then crit.
Still may not sound like very much, but there are really only 11 different traits in the line (I don’t really count time splitter as it just gives you access to the specialization).
There were also additional specialization nerfs that didn’t have to deal with the trait line These include the shield nerf, precog nerf, and gravity well nerf. I’m not saying some of these nerfs weren’t needed. However, you definitely made an understatement.
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I dropped the chronomancer traits ( the reason I bought HoT ) and am having some success with PU condi phantasm Mesmer atm.
literally everything that is wrong with this scenario;
-realize what a huge adv chronomancer is opposed to reg mes post patch
-spend $100 on hot pack that i dont use 90% of
-after current patch, revert to pu mesmer that literally every other class qqed about for MONTHS until anet caved and nerfed it to kitten
-daredevils still profit
3. illusionary reversion nerf to a requirement of two illusions
just a quick word, this trait never changed. there was always the requirement of 2 or more illusions needing to be shattered for this to proc; but i agree with your other arguments
3. illusionary reversion nerf to a requirement of two illusions
just a quick word, this trait never changed. there was always the requirement of 2 or more illusions needing to be shattered for this to proc; but i agree with your other arguments
He’s referring to the way it functioned in BWE1. There wasn’t a clone requirement, you could shatter with 0-3 Illusions and you would always get a clone after each shatter.
It was changed when they realized Condi Mes could F5→ then piano F1-4 for a very substantial burst of damage with the extra clones.
Personally I find the ability to spam wells then boonshare quickness to be too valuable to pass up. The alacrity nerf does hurt, but that was only one of the things that I do as a chrono that I can’t as a regular mesmer.
I don’t have opinions. I only have facts I can’t adequately prove.
EVERYTHING I JUST SAID, IS EVEN WORSE FOR WvW, WHICH IS THE ONLY GAME MODE IN THIS GAME THAT I STILL CARE ABOUT.
Lol. PvP isn’t this games strongest suit, nor is it the only gamemode. I’ve used all the chrono traits and find they all have usefulness in pve, not all the time but no build is perfect for everything, it’s how you play them which verifies their usefullness.
Uhmm, no.
The PvE in this game is literally the most mind numbingly boring thing, that I only ever do for the cool looking back items & etc I can get from it.
The PvP & WvW is literally all I’m still here for.
More specifically, the WvW. As PvP is in an absolutely unplayable state for me.
“Unused Development Initiative. We care so much
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
about your feedback, that we don’t even read it.” ~ Crystal Suzuki
EVERYTHING I JUST SAID, IS EVEN WORSE FOR WvW, WHICH IS THE ONLY GAME MODE IN THIS GAME THAT I STILL CARE ABOUT.
Lol. PvP isn’t this games strongest suit, nor is it the only gamemode. I’ve used all the chrono traits and find they all have usefulness in pve, not all the time but no build is perfect for everything, it’s how you play them which verifies their usefullness.
Uhmm, no.
The PvE in this game is literally the most mind numbingly boring thing, that I only ever do for the cool looking back items & etc I can get from it.
The PvP & WvW is literally all I’m still here for.
More specifically, the WvW. As PvP is in an absolutely unplayable state for me.
I have to agree, as the Arena PVP bores me to tears (its in a small arena with fixed size teams), and the pve in this game is only a means to skins/skills in this game to me. So WvW is my only real reason to continue playing.
Flow of time surely must be reverted to 1s per illusion now.
It’s ridiculous to keep it at 0.75s after nerfing alacrity. It’s so insignificant right now.