Guild Wars 2

Ugh I wish I had more time with this spec, I spent way too much time on tempest. How is scepter looking for chrono?

Scepter is mainly a condi weapon, so if you intent to play condi chrono, go with it. For power, i wouldn’t recommend it, really.

But can we actually play Chrono Condi with the minor traits from Dueling gutted compared to what they used to be in early teasers?

To be specific, Sharper Images was shown to cause bleeding on crits from our Illusions or us in early HoT info, and we had a minor which caused confusion on crits from us.

Both combined beautifully with Rabid gear to do a condi well chronomancer. With that removed, and with shield and wells being all about direct damage, which CShift ofc works, I doubt it’s useful to take chronomancer just for the added power of that. Compared to taking, say, Dueling or Chaos on top of the other one + Illusions.

The Sceptre is a respectable Power weapon, actually. Ether Bolt can do more DPS than Spatial Surge, and Confusing Images does more damage than Blurred Frenzy. And IMO Sceptre-Shield is a great combo, very defensive with great Illusion generation just by blocking constantly. If they make Persistence/Celerity work with Echo… I salivate at the thought.

Regarding Condi Chronos: it seems most Condi Chrono players sacrificed Dueling in favour of Chaos or Inspiration. Chrono makes Deceptive Evasion unnecessary, and without Dueling you can use Carrion instead of Rabid without guilt.

Chrono Condi is actually very powerful (too powerful for my liking, but that’s just my opinion). Since your damage comes from every shatter, F5, iReversion and Alacrity allow for frequent chain shatters.

Build would be Dueling/Illusions/Chrono with Scepter/Pistol + Sword/Torch. You can pick the cleanse Mantra if you like or MoD for control/pistol spam.

Carighan.6758:

But can we actually play Chrono Condi with the minor traits from Dueling gutted compared to what they used to be in early teasers?

To be specific, Sharper Images was shown to cause bleeding on crits from our Illusions or us in early HoT info, and we had a minor which caused confusion on crits from us.

Both combined beautifully with Rabid gear to do a condi well chronomancer. With that removed, and with shield and wells being all about direct damage, which CShift ofc works, I doubt it’s useful to take chronomancer just for the added power of that. Compared to taking, say, Dueling or Chaos on top of the other one + Illusions.

I played chrono condie pretty extensively using dueling, illusions, and chrono. It’s absolutely stronger than it should be, and needs some tweaking to bring it in line. It’s not a well build though, wells aren’t very good right now. Just standard shatter condie amped with slow and shatter output.

Iavra.8510:

Chrono Condi is actually very powerful (too powerful for my liking, but that’s just my opinion). Since your damage comes from every shatter, F5, iReversion and Alacrity allow for frequent chain shatters.

Build would be Dueling/Illusions/Chrono with Scepter/Pistol + Sword/Torch. You can pick the cleanse Mantra if you like or MoD for control/pistol spam.

My preference was Insp/Illu/Chrono with Sceptre-Shield and Staff. I pretty much stuck to Sceptre-Shield all the time and just blocked everything while spamming Shatters. Insp meant that every time I Shattered I was healing myself, and my blocks can spawn an iDefender who also benefits from Alacrity/Persistence letting it pop very often.

And yeah I too felt it was a bit too powerful. A lot of blocking, constant Shattering and constant healing while shedding conditions like it’s nothing… could actually stand on point and 1v2 or even 1v3.

As much as i like Inspiration for its cleansing/healing, the Mender’s Purity aftercast bug always throws me off :/ Though i’m still using it when playing CI since i need MoD for it to be effective.

Duellin / Chrono / Illusions is totally too strong atm .

Even d/d ele cant handle the spam .

Nubu.6148:

Duellin / Chrono / Illusions is totally too strong atm .

Even d/d ele cant handle the spam .

Even if it is (which I don’t know since I didn’t play in the beta), I seriously hope they don’t do a Maim the Disillusioned hackjob and kill it by nerfing something hard into the ground.

Rather small adjustments and take it from there.

No the best thing would be , if they remove the F5 .

Regarding MtD, i’m on Helseth’s side and think that 2 stacks of torment would be much too strong, even more so with Chrono.

Iavra.8510:

Regarding MtD, i’m on Helseth’s side and think that 2 stacks of torment would be much too strong, even more so with Chrono.

Oh I agree completely 2 stacks with current Chrono would be stupidly broken.

I’m saying that currently (not using Chrono), MtD was seriously overnerfed – and personally I believe F2 should apply 1 stack of torment standard being our “condition shatter” button.

I say MtD kind of needs Chrono right now to be on par with power builds, given the 50% nerf.

But what I don’t want to see is a gutting of Chrono on a similar scale to the MtD nerf – ruining some traits or whatever. I’m just worried with how Anet usually nerfs Mesmer – it’s not “a gentle shaving of a few percent” like warrior’s healing signet – it’s “let’s chainsaw this thing to pieces”…

Curunen.8729:

Iavra.8510:

Regarding MtD, i’m on Helseth’s side and think that 2 stacks of torment would be much too strong, even more so with Chrono.

Oh I agree completely 2 stacks with current Chrono would be stupidly broken.

I’m saying that currently (not using Chrono), MtD was seriously overnerfed – and personally I believe F2 should apply 1 stack of torment standard being our “condition shatter” button.

I say MtD kind of needs Chrono right now to be on par with power builds, given the 50% nerf.

But what I don’t want to see is a gutting of Chrono on a similar scale to the MtD nerf – ruining some traits or whatever. I’m just worried with how Anet usually nerfs Mesmer – it’s not “a gentle shaving of a few percent” like warrior’s healing signet – it’s “let’s chainsaw this thing to pieces”…

I share your worry, although there hasn’t been quite as much outcry against Chronomancers as I expected; so I’m hopeful we won’t see huge nerfs.

I think Chrono in general needs only a few fixes:
- Make iReversion and Chronophantasma share a trait tier (either Master or GM, it’s not like that really matters).
- Do something about F1-F4 or F5, so not to be a strict upgrade to base mesmer. What exactly is up to debate.
- Maybe take a look at Alacrity, because as it stands some builds can keep it up nearly permanently and this might be too strong.

Embolism.8106:

there hasn’t been quite as much outcry against Chronomancers as I expected; so I’m hopeful we won’t see huge nerfs.

Sure , if you want to be even more faceroll than before…

Chronomancer makes mesmer boring …. / sadface

Iavra.8510:

I think Chrono in general needs only a few fixes:
- Make iReversion and Chronophantasma share a trait tier (either Master or GM, it’s not like that really matters).
- Do something about F1-F4 or F5, so not to be a strict upgrade to base mesmer. What exactly is up to debate.
- Maybe take a look at Alacrity, because as it stands some builds can keep it up nearly permanently and this might be too strong.

so basicaly you hurst the condi and bunker builds as of now we are not viable. and with MTD nerf we need more clones and fast to put some pressure or defense.
sure the power build will need some nerf so just give CP 1 sec more daze.

and if 2 torment stack was so OP why we didnt see anyone playing that in higher lvl?!

Because Helseth can’t play condi at all. If he were to learn it i’m sure he would be a bigger help to his team in the current meta.

Condishatter is very much viable in the current meta. You just can’t hide in stealth 24/7 and spam clones anymore, which is a good thing.

Definitely planning to try Chrono/Illusions/Dueling scepter+pistol build with full glass cannon sinister gear
It is amazing how this build synergies click together…

Iavra.8510:

Because Helseth can’t play condi at all. If he were to learn it i’m sure he would be a bigger help to his team in the current meta.

Condishatter is very much viable in the current meta. You just can’t hide in stealth 24/7 and spam clones anymore, which is a good thing.

Got some videos of you playing chrono condi shatter then?

No he got none , cause he is a bob in playing condi .

But if you want to u can duell me in our Arena next Beta , but if i win u have to complain about Chrono . Deal ?

Like Nubu wrote, i’m bad at playing condi, i’ve always been a power/shatter person. But he played condi basically since release and we have played together long enough that i can tell you how broken Chrono condi was.

i almost always prefer sword, due to screpter is killing one of your phantasms!
(could we get another new weapon, which is main hand and range???)

Embolism.8106:

I share your worry, although there hasn’t been quite as much outcry against Chronomancers as I expected; so I’m hopeful we won’t see huge nerfs.

I thought there had been quite a bit of hate directed at chronomancer.

i was using condi Chrono … but if things go as they was
Sinister mesmer will be crazy OP

i was using dueling illu and chrono and could stack 20+ confusion easily
scepter + pistol / shield

morrolan.9608:

Embolism.8106:

I share your worry, although there hasn’t been quite as much outcry against Chronomancers as I expected; so I’m hopeful we won’t see huge nerfs.

I thought there had been quite a bit of hate directed at chronomancer.

Yeah, but I think all of us were expecting even more.

Chipmunko.5870:

i was using condi Chrono … but if things go as they was
Sinister mesmer will be crazy OP

i was using dueling illu and chrono and could stack 20+ confusion easily
scepter + pistol / shield

20 stacks isn’t that amazing if you think about it.

You get 11 just from Scepter. A full 4 hit traited Cry of Frustration is 8-9 more.

Don’t even need Chronomancer.

Of course if you want a 4 hit Mind Wrack with super speed illusions then follow up with a 4 hit Cry of Frustation then Chronomancer is the stuff.

32 is possible .

And then a simple condi cleanse comes or if it’s a necro – even worse … ;D

btt: for pvp it simply depends on what build you’ll be running and for pve it depends on the situation you encounter. there is no “will be running a OR b”, it’s like it is now: just use both, but only when you need it.

That’s why you never do your whole burst without baiting out dodges/blocks/invulns/cleanses beforehand, regardless of build.

Besides, that amount of confusion will do serious damage even when the only skill you use cleanses it.

And on the other hand u cant cleanse a condishatter over time .

Xyonon.3987:

And then a simple condi cleanse comes or if it’s a necro – even worse … ;D

Well rock-paper-scissors as always in RPG games

Goodness nubu certainly has a full jug of Mesmer haterade uncorked here. Give it a rest, would ya?

At any rate, I’m confident that the devs are going to make reasonable tweaks to chrono that will put it in a better spot. I’m very much looking forward to the next beta event.

Fay.2357:

At any rate, I’m confident that the devs are going to make reasonable tweaks to chrono that will put it in a better spot. I’m very much looking forward to the next beta event.

Wow, is that really you? What happened to the pessimism? :o

My dear mr . Pyro , i dont hate Mesmer . I love him , thats the reason why i started to post here.
Like Iavra said i played mine since release , but that traitline is such stupid and should be reworked .
I mean i know you like ai builds an lame stuff , but i prefer other builds . That one where u have to play on your own ……..

jmy2c

with condi shatter today i can put 18 stacks of confusion on thieves or mesmer.
but they werre bad and didnt expect me to be condi shatter
the good ones use stealth to cleanse

the problem with condi shatter is at the current meta is your group dont know how to handle it as it will require new composition

i hardly died to dd or staff ele but sure the fight took some time 30sec-1 min
the good ones just know how to disengage , heal and come back but then the point in mine. thus if my team wont support me fast i can die eventualy.

you saw in the top tier fights that mesmer isnt really important agasint group who knows how to rotate fast.
you saw how burning guard enter to the meta (yess me and saiyen were the first who tried it long ago before the patch)

conditions and the current meta doesnt go along and even if the buff again MTD i dont think it will enter the meta composition. not to say accourding to the thread here they gonna nerf IR and CP so you cant choose them both. thus making even worse the condi shatter idea for fast burst.
and even if the condi shatter will enter the meta group will just take more aoe cleanse and push the build out

it is very hard to preserve the condition builds. as if you buff them and ppl didnt take cleanse they will die so fast and scream for QQ and nerf. if you nerf the condi build ppl wont play it but hardly anyone scream about it

I’m amused at the people ruling out one line or another for condi mesmer because of their personal biases.

For chrono condi, the only truly necessary choice is chrono (because that’s chrono condi) and illusions.

Other choices go together, but you have a number of viable options.

Dueling + Rabid is great. With Ineptitude, Blinding Dissipation adds an extra confusion to every shatter, so a 4-shatter burst is 4 confusion stronger, and blind on shatter gives a good cover condi and decent defense. Sharper Images provides some bleed pressure, adding depth to your condi stacks and decent sustain dps. People talk like IR/CP makes DE obsolete, but IR+DE just increases the number of full shatters you can pull.

Others have noted the value of Carrion, and Chaos, and Dom…it’s all good, really. The key is still getting that improved shatter cadence with alacrity, and the improved shatter burst with IR.

Some have noted that Chronophantasma+IR makes it too easy to do continuous full-illusion shatters, so it may be they need to move them to the same tier.

I’m curious, Nubu, how would removing the ability to double-up on Chronophantasma and IR affect your output?

*Also, noticed that at least one person mentioned Sinister as a problem together with Chrono condi.

Since there’s no Sinister amulet, what area of play are you worried about? PvE still has us out of the meta, WvW zerg is too big for condi to be effective.

Were you doing golem testing, or are you suggesting Anet nerf chrono for the sake of WvW roaming?

Embolism.8106:

The Sceptre is a respectable Power weapon, actually. Ether Bolt can do more DPS than Spatial Surge, and Confusing Images does more damage than Blurred Frenzy. And IMO Sceptre-Shield is a great combo, very defensive with great Illusion generation just by blocking constantly. If they make Persistence/Celerity work with Echo… I salivate at the thought.

Regarding Condi Chronos: it seems most Condi Chrono players sacrificed Dueling in favour of Chaos or Inspiration. Chrono makes Deceptive Evasion unnecessary, and without Dueling you can use Carrion instead of Rabid without guilt.

I’m grateful to find you post this. I actually do not enjoy sword as much as I do scepter especially with shield. Just a personal preference of mine but I love all the blocks and damage with ether bolt. I keep feeling like the trait for it isn’t worth it though. :/ but it makes using it feel a lot better. It’s rather slow AA can be a buzzkill at times.