Condi necros are main counter now?

Condi necros are main counter now?

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Posted by: Mak.2657

Mak.2657

I feel post patch good eles and guards are very hard to hande against. But good cele/condi signet necro is a hardest counter. Condi abundance, condi transfers, boon converts, good sustainability with lf generation prevails most of the time.

How do you handle them?

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Posted by: Silv.9207

Silv.9207

If you play condition, necro is the class you hope to never fight against.
If you play direct damage, a common shatter build, you have only to shatter him away.
You can shoce to use traits and skills that reflect projectiles, then when hego in DS you wait a moment that he use it’s AoE life force generator and damage, then he wil lstart to spam skill 1. If you reflect that skill with a dodge+reflect or a skill (traited) you can make him kill himself quickly

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Posted by: Mak.2657

Mak.2657

Yup, prepatch it was easy encounter for me. Shatter for damage, interrupt heals, some controls – done. But now feels like can’t dps fast enough to deplete both hp and lf pool. Yes, I can reflect ds 1st skill few secs, but it doesn’t changes things (not big dmg for condi necro build anyway).
And that instant Plague Signet (utility skill + trait sometimes) boon converts and condo transfer…

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Posted by: messiah.1908

messiah.1908

condi necro versus condi mesmer can be 50% win loss . try to stealth at the right moment and blind him as much as possible at the start so he cant dmg you
dont shatter clone as fast as with other classes as ou want him to take few sec to retarget you

power versus condi necro should be more easy as in DS he hardly can dmg you (burning) but you can immobilize him with sword and dmg him and shatter

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

If you’re playing a condie build, don’t engage a necro. It’s possible to kill them, but the chance is remote if they’re any good, and the risk of getting destroyed is very high.

Power builds have a lot more options. Interrupt builds in general are very strong against necros, both condie and power. They have a lot of slow animations, not a lot of stunbreakers, and not a lot of dodges. Keep pressuring them with interrupts followed up by shatters and they’ll drop fairly quickly.

If you don’t run any condition removal, you definitely need to be careful though. Aggressively chasing interrupts in an interrupt build will put the necro on the defensive and make it easier to control the fight. Similarly, aggressively bursting at the start of a fight in a burst build will do the same thing. You want the necro paying attention to damage control, not condition loading.

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Posted by: nearlight.3064

nearlight.3064

Condition Necromancer is pretty bad in the current metagame for a number of reasons that I can’t list here. Basically its only niche is beating other condi specs 1v1, while dying to focus fire and having horrible non spike condi pressure in teamfights.

Cele necromancer however is a different beast, as it can still beat all condi specs 1v1 with transfers while bieng quite tanky and doing high phyiscal sustained damage in teamfights with boon corrupts. If you run mantra shatter cheese you don’t really ahve to fear this spec 1v1, if anything it’ll be a stalemate until he runs out of life force, but in general power mesmer is really strong against necromancer as a while.

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Posted by: Mak.2657

Mak.2657

Playing hybrid rampager gs/sc+torch nearly 2 weeks. Blink, decoy and MoD with 2 charges (without Domination line). Most of time I spend both mantra charges for healing skill interrupt and diversion on ds4. Blind through shatter doesn’t help me much. Necros just transfers shatter condies (Deathly Swarm, Plague Signet, Putrid Mark are not affected by blind). Anyway not much skills that should/could be blinded on reaction. Biggest problem is necro LF generation for me. I can successfully interrupt him 3-4 times in a row but still not manage to dps enough to burn through LF.
I m talking about about good necros only (meet like 3-4 such necros and most of them probabably cele/condy with some vampiric traits) , wich knows how to land marks on invisible foe, manage LF, don’t panic when rooted , etc.

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

Any hybrid build is honestly probably the very weakest possible thing to play against a necromancer. At least with full condies, you have the chance to catch them in a burst to kill, but you don’t have that ability in hybrid. They can transfer your condies, and eat your power damage in life force, which is very strong at mitigating limited amounts of power damage, like what you’d find in a hybrid build.

Running a hybrid build, you should really just avoid Necromancers entirely. There’s no conceivable matchup with them that would be favorable to you.

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Posted by: Mak.2657

Mak.2657

Mb you are right. Just got bored by standard lockdown and want to try something new.
Have a feeling like necros can reach very good LF sustain after patch.