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Posted by: Coxy.5269

Coxy.5269

Looks like a pretty solid PU build. Nice burst capabilities from the iDuellist.

Unless I’m mistaken you have absolutely 0 condition removal here, so you may want to swap out signet of domination for null field/ mantra cleanse etc.

Also with the added power from rampagers, the extended bleed durations and the high precision, I’d even suggest trying out greatsword rather than staff, as you’ll proc a lot more bleeds with the triple-hit clone auto-attack. Just a suggestion, could be terrible ^^. (That would also let you put in bountiful interruptions/master of manipulation etc, and would stop people running away so easily)

Rampagers is also going to make you a lot squishier than rabid, though PU may well be enough to compensate for this.

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

i can see a need for condi clear in alot of situations but 5 seconds of chainable stun is so strong.. starting out a fight with iduelest/stun/confusion beam/cover your duelest with block vs cleave damage/stun. this + chaos storm and stealths leave your target only having chances to attack while you have a block up.

This is a situation that will actually play out once in 50 times. Fights never go perfectly as planned, and having no condition removal will get you killed over and over. There’s simply so many ways that you could easily counter that. Say someone blinds the duelist cast, or reflects it (warrior sword block would be tough here). If everything doesn’t go perfect, you could end up eating a face-full of condies very rapidly.

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

seems wierd that you say this will happen once in 50 times.. when ive actually played the spec and you have not. i understand the importance of condtion clear and when it would have saved me durring fights. if you were to use the spec you can put condi clear in it and play it in that style and i wouldnt make a once in 50 claim. ive played both ways and as for right now the stun works for me and im not getting punished that hard with condis. if i end up getting punished alot with condis i will put a cleanse in the place. at this point im not getting killed because of a lack of condi clear so the stun is a strong offesnive choice.

This is because you apparently aren’t playing against any competent condie players. The key is that condie builds are more tanky and survivable. They won’t crumple and die in your first little combo. They’ll pop a stunbreak, clear the bleeds, then go after you. The thing is that even with the bit of power from rampagers, your duelists still barely tickle, particularly to a tanky condie build. This means that your only pressure is bleeds (which are also weaker than normal).

Maybe if you can get them into a perfect lockdown it’ll hurt, but that’s nearly impossible to do. Signet is easy to dodge, magic bullet doesn’t last very long, and just up and casting confusing images is a great way to get your face pushed in with condies.

Now normally this wouldn’t be an issue. You’d hit a condie clear and continue applying pressure. With your build though, you’ll simply keel over and die when condies are applied. You have no way to remove them. Blinds will stay until you miss with something. Cripple and weakness will hamper your movement. Poison will hurt your healing, bleeds burning and torment will kill you.

I don’t need to play your build to know what will happen if you engage a competent player with no condition removal.

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Posted by: Fay.2357

Fay.2357

I didn’t say the spec sucks overall. Rampagers is actually somewhat viable in PvP, due to the vitality it has as opposed to the pure squishyness it is elsewhere. However, I am telling you that with 0 access to condie removals, any competent condie player will destroy it. In order to be viable against good players, it needs at least some form of condition removal.

Edit: or a team that can remove the conditions for you, like shatter mesmers will do.

Doubleedit: People calling me fay feels odd

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Posted by: DeathReign.7821

DeathReign.7821

It’s always funny when someone’s unable to argue with Pyro’s logic and ends up just calling him a bitter troll and getting all hurt.

He’s right, and I’m sure you know that deep down.

Kiss the chaos.

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Posted by: Tilah.3041

Tilah.3041

People calling me fay feels odd

Phayro!