Guild Wars 2

So, I’m seeing these topics “Mesmer, is it op?” and the like. Since I can, I’d like to put my two cents into this area.

Are they OP? In sPvP I certainly think so. In 1v1… yes from what I can see, against almost everything (unless you have massive AOE). Not all professions have massive AOE capability to kill these clones/phantasms w/e. Not all specs are like that either even if they do.

Yes I know there’s particular ways to tell, but in a fast paced environment where you may die within seconds if not constantly making decisions, putting a bump in your fluidity trying to find the “REAL ONE” usually costs you your life.

Secondly I’d like to get to the main topic here and throw “Confusion” in the mix. What’s everyone’s thoughts on this? As far as I know it’s not a “Condition”. (can’t be removed with condition removal skills). This is a major issue IMO. Yes, yes it’s meant for you to kill yourself. I get it, but crippling every profession from using any skills? That’s another CC, like a modified Silence of sorts.

Mes’ already have enough tricks with the doppelganger system, going invisible, invincible, and teleporting. I think making confusion removable (at least let an Ally be able to cleanse it) would make this class about on par.

At least one mechanic should probably go(clones, invisibility, invincibility, or at least make confusion able to be dealt with), and a few other things buffed.

Don’t flame, just explain.

Well, honestly. A GS guardian could take out a Mesmer’s clone army pretty easily, and the only real source of damage from a Mesmer is their clones, shatters, and the confusion. Anything else has been pretty average, if not below.

I ought to be able to wreck 1v1 if I have to suffer through PvE.

I know I said something along those lines about the AOE.

Are they OP? In sPvP I certainly think so. In 1v1… yes from what I can see, against almost everything (unless you have massive AOE)

Having it not able to be removed is a tragedy still in my eyes. They already have a moa form, which totally screws anything, They have dazes like crazy as well.

Thanks for your input.

Really really too much control insert sad face

I’ve been able to remove confusion in the past with Mantra of Resolve (which removes two conditions). The wiki also defines Confusion as a Condition.

If you’re having problems removing it then there’s a bug somewhere and it might be with whatever you’re trying to use to remove it (examples?). If you’re speculating that it cannot be removed then you need to do some checks before suggesting a change to a profession.

Just because some random put it on the wiki as a condition doesn’t mean it is. Secondly “Save Yourselves!” isn’t removing it from allies. and “Contemplation of Purity” does not remove it and change it into a boon.

Less rude man. I said no flame, just explain. Ask nicely and you shall receive :D

Either way if it is a condition. I notice it’s not being removed, unless when you remove it, it’s re-applied?

I’ve had no problems getting rid of Confusion with Null Field that I can recall. However, it’s rare that I get hit by Confusion at all. It’s also possible that you can’t pull Confusion simply because it does not have a corresponding boon to turn into in the first place.

Two things:

Ctrl+T is mark target. Mark the original mesmer and only stealth can break the mark no matter how many clones he creates.

Confusion is a condition and is removeable.

my necro can eat the confusion with the “consume conditions” heal, and also copies it from allies with plague signet (not transfer yet, because plague signet is bugged)

Hopes.4512:

Just because some random put it on the wiki as a condition doesn’t mean it is. Secondly “Save Yourselves!” isn’t removing it from allies. and “Contemplation of Purity” does not remove it and change it into a boon.

Less rude man. I said no flame, just explain. Ask nicely and you shall receive :D

maybe look at the icons INGAME? the red box with a downward poiting tip it has (shared with posion bleed etc) means it IS in fact a condition (unlike daze/stune etc that is a perfect sqaure), or the boons with a orange box with a upwards pointing tip

MOA is not OP. Have a mesmer use it on you so you can read what the Moa skills do. You can actually defend yourself quite well in Moa form if you know what you’re doing. The best thing about Moa Morph is that it counters other elite skills that change their user’s form. Once a player knows how to use the skills in Moa form, they can easily survive AND contribute to a fight as a Moa.

Hopes.4512:

Just because some random put it on the wiki as a condition doesn’t mean it is. Secondly “Save Yourselves!” isn’t removing it from allies. and “Contemplation of Purity” does not remove it and change it into a boon.

Less rude man. I said no flame, just explain. Ask nicely and you shall receive :D

Sorry, it wasn’t my intention to come off that way and I can see where you got that.

I’m not familiar with “Save Yourselves!” so I’m not sure how many conditions it’s suppose to move to you. There may be a bug with the ability itself that causes it to not pull the condition off an allie. I do know that, in my experience, the main ways to have confusion get onto a target it through our channeled attack or from our mage phantasm. One problem could be that confusion is being pulled off but immediately reapplied in the middle of a channel or that pet conditions aren’t treated the same way player conditions are. All just speculation though.

I can only verify that it appears to be flagged as a condition in game as well. It appears in the correct area with the correct border for a condition, but something in the backend of the engine could have something switched here.

Also, isn’t the wiki maintained and verified by ANet? Sure anyone can contribute but I thought ANet also reviewed the content that was up there. I’ve seen a lot of posts get reverted because some random put up bad information before.

Hopes.4512:

Just because some random put it on the wiki as a condition doesn’t mean it is. Secondly “Save Yourselves!” isn’t removing it from allies. and “Contemplation of Purity” does not remove it and change it into a boon.

I’ve removed confusion with “Shake it off” (1 random condition removed) Signet of stamina(all conditions removed) as well as with the warhorn trait that converts a condition to a boon on my warrior. It is a condition. If SY and CoP are not able to remove it and its not some other factor such as observer error then those two skills are bugged in that regard. Either way though it is a condition and it can be removed with at least some condition removal skills.

As to the clones in the OP I’ve never had a problem on a live mesmer. Downed mesmers are a different story as they are no longer moveing but the majority of players move in ways that clones are just not able to do. My favorate is the players that jump randomly and run away. Thats about as big of an “I’m the real one” sign as you can put over your own head as you can get.

Hopes.4512:

So, I’m seeing these topics “Mesmer, is it op?” and the like. Since I can, I’d like to put my two cents into this area.

Are they OP? In sPvP I certainly think so. In 1v1… yes from what I can see, against almost everything (unless you have massive AOE). Not all professions have massive AOE capability to kill these clones/phantasms w/e. Not all specs are like that either even if they do.

Yes I know there’s particular ways to tell, but in a fast paced environment where you may die within seconds if not constantly making decisions, putting a bump in your fluidity trying to find the “REAL ONE” usually costs you your life.

Secondly I’d like to get to the main topic here and throw “Confusion” in the mix. What’s everyone’s thoughts on this? As far as I know it’s not a “Condition”. (can’t be removed with condition removal skills). This is a major issue IMO. Yes, yes it’s meant for you to kill yourself. I get it, but crippling every profession from using any skills? That’s another CC, like a modified Silence of sorts.

Mes’ already have enough tricks with the doppelganger system, going invisible, invincible, and teleporting. I think making confusion removable (at least let an Ally be able to cleanse it) would make this class about on par.

At least one mechanic should probably go(clones, invisibility, invincibility, or at least make confusion able to be dealt with), and a few other things buffed.

Don’t flame, just explain.

Sir, you don’t even know what you’re talking about….

1) Mesmers fall sooooooooooo quickly to damage it’s ridiculous, their clones are the only way they can survive, and even then it’s pretty easy to wipe em out… and this is coming from the ranger who uses a longbow and shortsword… so aoe isn’t really available…

2) Confusion IS a condition… so… i don’t even know how to reply to that point without just insulting you…

3) If you want OP 1v1 you go against my ranger build… i have yet to lose a 1v1 against anyone, now granted some 1v1s end in reinforcements from one side or another showing up, but that’s not a true 1v1… Mesmers are only good in 1v1 if you lose track of them, which granted is pretty easy…

If you want to kill a mesmer, throw dots on them so even when you don’t know where they are they’re taking damage, it helps kill them, also as others said, use CTRL -T it will mark them so you know which one is real (i personally feel that’s bugged and don’t use it against mesmers because it feels dirty, but it’s there…for now…) burning is also a great marker!

PS: One of my guildies swears up and down that clones don’t have guild tags, i personally think they do, but they do NOT have titles… so there’s that…

Hopes.4512:

I know I said something along those lines about the AOE.

Are they OP? In sPvP I certainly think so. In 1v1… yes from what I can see, against almost everything (unless you have massive AOE)

Having it not able to be removed is a tragedy still in my eyes. They already have a moa form, which totally screws anything, They have dazes like crazy as well.

Thanks for your input.

Really really too much control insert sad face

You do realize you can still hurt the mesmer while in moa form right lol? I fought against a mesmer who thought Moa form was the end all be all elite and just stood still after casting it and i pecked the kittens eyes out!! lol it was the funniest way to kill a mesmer ever…

Mesmer clones don’t have guild tags in WvW because they don’t have their real names in WvW either. Just “Server name Invader” so they’re easy to pick out. They do in sPvP though.