Guild Wars 2

Hey everyone,
I play GW2 (and Mesmer) since the beta but I don’t know what they thought of confusion when they created it and when they nerfed it.

Was it meant to be one possibility for the mesmer to play dps?
Was it just another condition for some extra dmg?
Was it meant to be for pvp/wvw only?
Is there anything good about confusion in pve? (I think it’s just crap for pve…)

using a staff that can stack 8 confusion at once, i can tell that mobs receive damage by it a lot of times.

That’s a pretty good question honestly.

As far as confusion in PvE goes, there are a couple specific instances where it is good. These are as follows:

1. Subject Alpha
2. Grenth

That’s it. There might be one or two things I’ve forgotten…but yeah. They actually doubled the damage it does in PvE during the betas in order to make it more viable, but it obviously didn’t work. I feel that they’ve mainly abandoned confusion as a PvE mechanic for now, with the potential of a rework in the distant future. Wouldn’t hold my breath though.

There are also those really fast shooting mages in Orr. They die to it too pretty fast. But 3 mobs out of … 500? It’s much stronger in PvP but in PvE it seems to be just some additional damage, but nothnig you should focus on.

ElQuebecois.4691:

using a staff that can stack 8 confusion at once, i can tell that mobs receive damage by it a lot of times.

You mean scepter right? o.o

ElQuebecois.4691:

using a staff that can stack 8 confusion at once, i can tell that mobs receive damage by it a lot of times.

I also think you mean the scepter…
could you tell me how much dmg you do per second with confusion? I’d really like to know because I don’t know it.

I think with 1600 cdmg I managed to reach 6k ticks before they nerfed it in wvw what sometimes caused 18k dps on panicing players. but the normal pvemobs attack like 1/3 each second(tell me if i’m wrong here) i think that’d cause a dps of 2k? not enough to reach my powerbuild :< I like the idea of confusion but it is far too weak i think

It’s not even a DpS of 2k. The confusion often won’t last long enough to be triggered multiple times. But I really wan’t to know how on earth you get 1600 con damage o.O
I once made my con dmg build but I only had 1000. Ultimate bufffood?? :o

Wat? are you serious? it’s pretty easy… you could even get a mesmer with 2000<cdmg

Without Bufffood – 1927/2177
With Bufffood – 2178/2428

I just tryed to reach the maximun of cdmg with one build^^

PS: I used runes of the undead because there weren’t perplexity runes when I played confusion builds

ADD: the first number is without sigil of corruption and the 2nd number is with the 250 bonus cdmg from the sigil.

Confusion in PvE = not worth it.

Kohler, Arah Priest, FOTM blizzard map boss… those are the bosses with most dmg you could do with confusion.

you can reach 2280+ condi dmg max as a mesmer (no might) that about 450+ dmg per stack. With perplex rune and correct trait, your confusion can last 20 seconds at most.

wtf 2300 con dmg? o.O If I get up there I’m gonna test it again. Wtf when I tested I had 1k max

DavyMcB.1603:

Kohler, Arah Priest, FOTM blizzard map boss… those are the bosses with most dmg you could do with confusion.

you can reach 2280+ condi dmg max as a mesmer (no might) that about 450+ dmg per stack. With perplex rune and correct trait, your confusion can last 20 seconds at most.

Confusion maxes out at 10 seconds. Good thought though.

A skill that stacks in intensity has no limit of duration. The only limit is the duration of the longest lasting confusion with the highest amount of condition duration. Thats all.

You can hit Tazza (Sorrow’s Embrace P1 final boss) with some significant confusion damage on one of the attacks. I can’t recall if it’s the laser or the AoE mind stab. Also has anyone tried confusion on Ginva the Butcher’s whirling attack (HoTW P1 final boss)?

There are certainly splashes here and there for some nice confusion spikes but on the whole whatever we can come up with probably doesn’t even equal 10% of the PvE opponents one would face.

Maybe confusion should automaticly tick once if it won’t get procced for 2 sec (PvE only).

skcamow.3527:

You can hit Tazza (Sorrow’s Embrace P1 final boss) with some significant confusion damage on one of the attacks. I can’t recall if it’s the laser or the AoE mind stab. Also has anyone tried confusion on Ginva the Butcher’s whirling attack (HoTW P1 final boss)?

There are certainly splashes here and there for some nice confusion spikes but on the whole whatever we can come up with probably doesn’t even equal 10% of the PvE opponents one would face.

From my experience farming up mobs in WvW for corruption stacks, your confusion only procs once at the beginning of an enemy channel. So if this whirlwind move is one move on a long channel, then it’ll only proc once.

The ice dude in the ice fractal takes quite alot fo damage from confusion. Each ice thingy that falls down counts as a seperate skill and damages him. You probably would do more damage if you just went with a proper phantasm build, though :P

Xyonon.3987:

A skill that stacks in intensity has no limit of duration. The only limit is the duration of the longest lasting confusion with the highest amount of condition duration. Thats all.

Not correct. Confusion maxes out at 10 seconds.

This is a fact that has been explored thoroughly during the era of glamour builds in wvw. If you don’t believe me, feel free to test it yourself.

Well normally I would say “ok gonna test it myself” but since it’s you Pyro, I’m gonna beleve you again learnt something new yay

The perplexity runes on interrupt confusion duration is 10 seconds so presumably that becomes 20 secs with 100% confusion duration. I actually consider confusion damage in open world environment nowhere near as bad as ppl make out, so long as you max out its duration.

So what now? SOMEONE TEST IT ALREADY!!

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Just tested.

It appears that sometime between now and when the glamour build was popular, they increased the cap on confusion duration, both in PvE and WvW (not consequential in PvP).

The confusion runes are bugged though, and they don’t actually give any benefit to confusion duration, so the maximum confusion duration you’ll see is 20 seconds from an interrupt if you have 30 domination, 40% food, and 33% duration from illusions.

Thanks for testing that Pyro, I haven’t used those runes since travelers* were released and only read recently about the duration bug.

20 seconds confusion from perplexity? Thats ridiciously overpowered, cant believe arenanet stil didnt fix that :/.

And I, for some reason thought confusion capped at 10 seconds too. I guess after they nerfed our mediocre confusion applications, I never really bored to try it again :(

Pyroatheist.9031:

DavyMcB.1603:

Kohler, Arah Priest, FOTM blizzard map boss… those are the bosses with most dmg you could do with confusion.

you can reach 2280+ condi dmg max as a mesmer (no might) that about 450+ dmg per stack. With perplex rune and correct trait, your confusion can last 20 seconds at most.

Confusion maxes out at 10 seconds. Good thought though.

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Edit>nvm, you got that

Before you are all “amazed” by it, let me burst your dream, in order to reach that 20 seconds of confusion you need to invest EVERYTHING in confusion, which means your one and only condition will be confusion. 1 condition is never enough. In a teamplay, maybe, but you are dead meat in 1on1.

DavyMcB.1603:

Pyroatheist.9031:

DavyMcB.1603:

Kohler, Arah Priest, FOTM blizzard map boss… those are the bosses with most dmg you could do with confusion.

you can reach 2280+ condi dmg max as a mesmer (no might) that about 450+ dmg per stack. With perplex rune and correct trait, your confusion can last 20 seconds at most.

Confusion maxes out at 10 seconds. Good thought though.

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Edit>nvm, you got that

Before you are all “amazed” by it, let me burst your dream, in order to reach that 20 seconds of confusion you need to invest EVERYTHING in confusion, which means your one and only condition will be confusion. 1 condition is never enough. In a teamplay, maybe, but you are dead meat in 1on1.

I once encountered a D/P thief that did nothing else than auto attack and headshot-daze me :/.

I had perma 10ish confusion, and did more damage to myself than to him ;0

That’s why I want a lowcooldown interrupt for mesmers :P

interesting. i didn’t think you can over 10s with confusion. hmmm…thanks everyone for the info and testing. i’m going to do a bit of researching tonight and if i come up with anything that will make confusion more viable with out adding more condition points i’ll share it with any data i have collected. i don’t usually show data but it will be like a flame kittenant shield for me…just incase for those flamers.

DavyMcB.1603:

Kohler

that’s a name i haven’t heard is a very long time. nice to know you can use confusion on him, i usually try to use the troll, putting my coin on the troll and taking bets from first time running EXP mode pugs lol good times. now i believe troll is no longer there though since they reworked AC. i haven’t done AC since the rework and heard one of the bosses shoots a laser beam from it’s mouth…howling king?