Guild Wars 2

Just something I though I could share for the new mesmers that are looking for a WvW build:
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fgAQNAW8dl0ziqXVTsGa9IxJFMf5oecdrXdSKgNqB;T8AAzyuEcJlS1lSKqmMNJay2krJZTLRGLs/A
(build credit to kylia)
And a video of it in action:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C4Mbir7mDSU

Heads up, the build link doesn’t seem to be working.

Huh, I think it’s something wrong with the forums, if I copy paste the link it works just fine

20,0,0,20,30 with rabid, I’m sure I’ve seen this build before

List of all current known builds on the forums:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/List-Find-your-Mesmer-Build-Guides/first

Good to see you enjoying glam’s

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

Huh, I think it’s something wrong with the forums, if I copy paste the link it works just fine

go to tinyurl.com, you can shorten the link to make it clickable.

lol are u trying to sell this build as your own?because it is kylias build that came out months ago with it.but yes it is a fun wvw build if you know how to utilize it correctly.

selan.8354:

lol are u trying to sell this build as your own?because it is kylias build that came out months ago with it.but yes it is a fun wvw build ikittennow how to utilize it correctly.

Where did I say it was mine?

I’m watching this video…..and I realize I have no idea what you’re doing at any point. rofl! kitten you mesmers.

selan.8354:

lol are u trying to sell this build as your own?because it is kylias build that came out months ago with it.but yes it is a fun wvw build ikittennow how to utilize it correctly.

lol so whoever posts it on the forums first gets to keep it huh? You think nobody was using what was arguably the first most prominent and most popular Mesmer build (the shatter “cat” build) in pre-release stages by private testers before Osicat even had access to GW2? Or do you honestly think nobody out there without a youtube channel could possibly be better than the build thread posters that want attention and publicity?

If you’re better at it with the build, I say you have every right to call it your own. Only skill-less players speak under blind fandom worship, just like only mindless people speak under blind religious worship.

Be nice, people e_e

ExZee.8109:

selan.8354:

lol are u trying to sell this build as your own?because it is kylias build that came out months ago with it.but yes it is a fun wvw build ikittennow how to utilize it correctly.

lol so whoever posts it on the forums first gets to keep it huh? You think nobody was using what was arguably the first most prominent and most popular Mesmer build (the shatter “cat” build) in pre-release stages by private testers before Osicat even had access to GW2? Or do you honestly think nobody out there without a youtube channel could possibly be better than the build thread posters that want attention and publicity?

If you’re better at it with the build, I say you have every right to call it your own. Only skill-less players speak under blind fandom worship, just like only mindless people speak under blind religious worship.

ba dum chhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh~

ExZee.8109:

selan.8354:

lol are u trying to sell this build as your own?because it is kylias build that came out months ago with it.but yes it is a fun wvw build ikittennow how to utilize it correctly.

lol so whoever posts it on the forums first gets to keep it huh? You think nobody was using what was arguably the first most prominent and most popular Mesmer build (the shatter “cat” build) in pre-release stages by private testers before Osicat even had access to GW2? Or do you honestly think nobody out there without a youtube channel could possibly be better than the build thread posters that want attention and publicity?

If you’re better at it with the build, I say you have every right to call it your own. Only skill-less players speak under blind fandom worship, just like only mindless people speak under blind religious worship.

Well, I’m going to ignore the blatant disrespect for the general intelligence of a lot of people that is implied in this post because I know you have a tendency to do that, and I’ll focus on what you actually said.

Firstly, being “better” at playing a build or another is an awefully subjective thing. It’s very difficult to quantify that. What does better mean? Dying less? More kills? Having a greater impact on the enemy or your allies? There’s a lot of different ways to be better or worse at a build. Since this sort of thing is so difficult to actually define, you can’t use it as a basis for ownership of the build.

So where does that leave us with regards to ownership? Or in another view, does ownership even matter? A lot of ownership is very simply the tagline for the build. It ultimately doesn’t matter, and most builds can reasonably claim several creators. My immortal build was primarily created by myself. However, a suggestion for change from EasymodeX completely revolutionized the build and absolutely changed it from a good build into an amazing build. Does that mean we share co-ownership of the build? Maybe, maybe not. Again, ownership is a very tough concept to define.

It was unreasonable of selan to try and claim that the OP was attempting to make us think this build was his own. You are allowed to post videos of you playing any build you want, whether it be a build you made, a build that someone else made, or any variation between the two.
On the other hand, trying to put him down and flatly state that ownership simply goes to whoever plays the build best is also a confrontational and unhelpful sentiment.

TL;DR:

I’m right, you’re both wrong.

1.) Even the exact same build can and will be played differently by different people.
2.) More information is almost always better
3.) Don’t slam folks for having the guts to share what they do.
4.) If you really care about who or what was “first” you should probably step back and reevaluate what’s important to you.
5.) Thanks for the video.

Pyroatheist.9031:

Well, I’m going to ignore the blatant disrespect for the general intelligence of a lot of people that is implied in this post because I know you have a tendency to do that, and I’ll focus on what you actually said.

Firstly, being “better” at playing a build or another is an awefully subjective thing. It’s very difficult to quantify that. What does better mean? Dying less? More kills? Having a greater impact on the enemy or your allies? There’s a lot of different ways to be better or worse at a build. Since this sort of thing is so difficult to actually define, you can’t use it as a basis for ownership of the build.

So where does that leave us with regards to ownership? Or in another view, does ownership even matter? A lot of ownership is very simply the tagline for the build. It ultimately doesn’t matter, and most builds can reasonably claim several creators. My immortal build was primarily created by myself. However, a suggestion for change from EasymodeX completely revolutionized the build and absolutely changed it from a good build into an amazing build. Does that mean we share co-ownership of the build? Maybe, maybe not. Again, ownership is a very tough concept to define.

It was unreasonable of selan to try and claim that the OP was attempting to make us think this build was his own. You are allowed to post videos of you playing any build you want, whether it be a build you made, a build that someone else made, or any variation between the two.
On the other hand, trying to put him down and flatly state that ownership simply goes to whoever plays the build best is also a confrontational and unhelpful sentiment.

TL;DR:

I’m right, you’re both wrong.

Yeah, I’ve seen your videos and your skills are below average. If it wasn’t your tanky build giving you so much leeway in both skill usage and skill timing you would be lucky to get a kill vs a drunk gc thief. Having said that, that’s my subjective opinion. So who’s to tell me how I should be “quantifying” my opinion? Did I tell selan how to quantify his opinions? No, I did the opposite: I questioned his quantification by asking questions that provided reasonable doubt of his values. Then what was my point? If someone watches a video of a build and thinks “I’m better with that build”, he has every right to call it his own build. Whether or not others would agree is equally each individual’s subjective opinion. So who truly goes against this idea of respecting subjective opinions? Selan, for claiming outright ownership based on the extremely stupid “I posted first” logic, and you, who asks a lot of pointless questions that you don’t bother answering and misinterpreted the sentence “If you’re better at it with the build, I say you have every right to call it your own” into “If you’re better at it with the build, you can go ahead and say it doesn’t belong to anybody else”. You can only think this way because you automatically assumed a single entity of ownership that has to be concurred by everyone else. You’re trying to ask for some kind of global definition of ownership that everyone has to agree with, when I’m saying a person calling a build his own is at the most his own opinion. And I leave it up to each individual’s opinion on what to call builds for themselves. AKA you care what it’s called by and judge how others call it. I can’t care less what other people call a certain build, but when someone tries to claim ownership for it in someone else’s name, in either out of cheap logic or blind fandom, I’m going to call it out as being equally mindless as a blind religious fanatic. Because THAT has absolutely nothing to do with subjective opinions.

Your TL:DR
You’re always wrong, because you’ve self-imposed objectivity that only exists in your head.

Edited for clarity.

@ExZee:

Heheh

/15characters

@Pyroatheist:

lul. out of words.

Wowzers… more killing and confusing the enemy, less tearing each other appart.

Either way its a great build, it does well in WvW, and I know for a fact that there is more than just me playing it (about 20 other mesmers in our 50 man guild :P )

That said, since its talking about a build, its always good to reference a single location for the build, if we end up with 15 posts about the same build, each say called something different this will cause confusion to new players. Hence why even if someone else has made the “Immortal” build its more logical for the community to refer to a single source for the build (less confusion, even though we love confusion *wink )

TL:DR
Multiple build breakdowns of the same build can cause confusion, especially to newer players, better to referent a single build breakdown,.
P.S. its great to have multiple people showing off the build.

Luiz Swordbreaker.6547:

selan.8354:

lol are u trying to sell this build as your own?because it is kylias build that came out months ago with it.but yes it is a fun wvw build ikittennow how to utilize it correctly.

Where did I say it was mine?

yeah you are right u didnt missread that

On a slightly off topic note I played around tonight with this build but ran the melandru/ poultry food as a means of less worrying about conditions and following our meleeish heavy train…felt like with a slight reduction in cond damage it was still hitting very nicely…still viable do you think?

On another note with the above in mind could u run the said glamour build with a melee weapon set x2?…say glamours + septer/sword + sword/focus?… or would that be taking too much away losing the staff skills? (P.s. my survivability should still be ok due to my team I am with…I just like the idea in my head, but if it’s too far out then nvm hehe, just want opinions really from the peeps that know more than me. P.P.S. I am full rabid btw

Opinions viability?…happy to listen to any ideas

Zachaos.2651:

Opinions viability?…happy to listen to any ideas

For a glamour focused build, the 40% duration increase food is extremely important, because having longer confusions is vital to your damage.

If you just want to play with the staff, then it’s not as much as an issue, since you can’t actually increase the damage from burning at all.