Guild Wars 2

We are the number 1 most hated class this month, good going guys! Yea just scrolled over to spvp forum and we seem to be gettin lots of complaints. Just wanted to say keep up the good work!

lol it’s pretty funny. There was always noise about Mesmer but wow there’s definitely a lot of cries about how Mesmer is “too OP” now

It’s getting ridiculous with all the threads

The last buff to shattered strength is partly responsible for this I guess. It would be funny if it didn’t bring more incoming nerfs to the class. Ah well, starting to be used to it by now.

Finally got my mesmer to lvl 80 today and took it for a spin in WvW. In smale scale the mesmer just hands down beats all the other classes i have played (warrior, necro, guardian, ranger and engi), the mesmers combination of firepower and survivability through “mobility” is just so over the top. Just a crazy overpowered class in PvP – but a LOT of fun.

Personally i think its fitting since it was hell levelling it through PvE.

i dont see how we are OP i really think thats a L2p issue right thier mesmer is easy to counter if u take the time and play it urself to an extent of knowing a bit about the class. but sure let them think that and thief hitting rediculous amount of damage with basic attacking isnt OP yea right or warrior hitting 38k blade trails sure that isnt OP at all ! lol

Good job, Mesmers. We’ve almost always been one of the most hated professions in sPvP – But now we’ve taken the cake.

Does anyone else remember back when Gw2 launched, literally every other profession looked down on Mesmers in sPvP and claimed that we had either a very niche, or easily filled and replaced role in the Meta? That our profession had nothing it could bring to the table in ‘top-tier PvP’ in regards to what the others could?

I do. These threads make me happy.

In other news, let’s see if we can get on making us the most hated profession in PvE. I would be completely happy if everyone in this game gained a deeply seated seething fury for Mesmers in every aspect of their life. Except the Mesmers themselves, of course.

Mesmers are turning into the frost mages of GW2: extremely OP for stomping noobs, average at high rated pvp.

Lordryux.9785:

i dont see how we are OP i really think thats a L2p issue right thier mesmer is easy to counter if u take the time and play it urself to an extent of knowing a bit about the class.

If you dont see how mesmer are borderline ridiculous in small scale WvW with portal, teleport, mass stealth/group quickness – “scatter cat” build – then you are playing the mesmer wrong.

Osicat is a really good mesmer and following his setup, i have little trouble taking on 2-3 players and either wining or getting away from them. Yea the thief can do the same, and that class is also pretty ridiculous because of the stealth but comparing a warrior with a mesmer in small scale is laughable.

The big difference between mesmer/theif and the other classes is the crazy “escapability” of those 2 classes making them nearly impossible to kill even against 3-4 guys at once. [EDIT: D/D ele’s can get nearly the same escapability]

Yea you can nitpick any class skill and say: look thats OP, its when you combining all the things that you see the whole picture.

Konfuzfanten.6503:

Lordryux.9785:

i dont see how we are OP i really think thats a L2p issue right thier mesmer is easy to counter if u take the time and play it urself to an extent of knowing a bit about the class.

If you dont see how mesmer are borderline ridiculous in small scale WvW with portal, teleport, mass stealth/group quickness – “scatter cat” build – then you are playing the mesmer wrong.

Osicat is a really good mesmer and following his setup, i have little trouble taking on 2-3 players and either wining or getting away from them. Yea the thief can do the same, and that class is also pretty ridiculous because of the stealth but comparing a warrior with a mesmer in small scale is laughable.

The big difference between mesmer/theif and the other classes is the crazy “escapability” of those 2 classes making them nearly impossible to kill even against 3-4 guys at once. [EDIT: D/D ele’s can get nearly the same escapability]

Yea you can nitpick any class skill and say: look thats OP, its when you combining all the things that you see the whole picture.

Man u obviously havnt deviated from the mesmer class saying warrior in WvW isnt ridiculous hmmm wish i could show you a few rifle warriors hitting for 15k killshots. pretty ridiculous damage on a 9s cooldown. thiefs are borderline ridiculous in terms of raw damage with no risks wat so ever. and dont even get me started on ele. i main one and i can tell you can take on a freakin zerg by urself if u wanted to x.×.

P.S i never said anything about just WvW u might wanna check into other aspects of the game..

So like i was saying people just dont want to learn how to counter mesmer. i understand thier are great mesmers out thier who just wont die but hey its because they practice and have more experience than the other player who just recently got his character to 80 or new to the game some people here have been playing mesmer since Gw1 and still do today. Anyway i can take on about like 4 players about my limit hybrid stealth mesmer here and loving this set up for spvp but on my other characters i can counter mesmer fairly easily especially when i play on my engi and thanks to osicat alot of players are now running shattercat build in spvp so my engi packs a big BIG punch thanks <3 lol

but hey think wat you wanna think but players these days are making it easy for me to rack up kills in tpvp and spvp. its Thiefwars2 ppl 2 hours ago i faced one team that had freakin 5 thiefs and 1 lonely guardian. You guys can guess how that went.

I play a Warrior in PvP and I have never had a problem against Mesmers or even Thiefs (although yeah if the thief decides to run off I can’t catch him at all but with the only mode in PvP at the moment being capture points is that really a massive problem?) sometimes they beat me sure but if that is the case I have normally been out played or made a mistake (or jumped on with low health and skills on cooldown) and I recognize that instead of just jumping on forums to cry.

As a pve mesmer I just want to be left alone from pvp and wvwvw changes.
It’s annoying.

Please split more skills for pve and pvp.
Thanks.

C’mon! Mesmers have always been the whipping boys for Anet.

In GW1, until the last year, mesmers were a laughing stock.

They had an energy pool of 40 and all their skills cost from
10 t0 15 energy to cast and they only effected one tatget at
a time.

This meant that they had an effective functionality of ….
llke 6 seconds before they were dead weight to any group.

Well here we are again. I’m sure We’ll get pity skill boosts
again, just before the game dies.

As far as I can see, we have one skill (blurred Frenzy) that
effects multipule targets, and it only works in melee range.

So, once againn, we’re reduced to being the serving boys of
every other class.

I know there are some of you that are like “what’re you
talking about, my mesmer is like…duh bomb”. Well… you’re
just tools, I’ve played 5 other classes, (warrior, elementalist,
necromancer, engineer, and ranger, and the mesmer is the only
one I avoid logging on to.

Stealth and Clone destroy noobs and people who refuse to L2P.

Noobs, maybe not so much, but the people who refuse to L2P just pollute forums with whining for nerfs. They refuse to learn the basics of the Mesmer, they lose to the Mesmer because they don’t know the basics in fighting one, and then they declare the Mesmer OP because nothing could possibly be their own fault, it is always someone else’s fault.

Actually I am REALLY impressed with mesmers atm from a community standpoint. The fact that there is a OP build that even mesmers are even calling Anet out over really shows that there are people playing this class that care about the game. They would rather have viable builds and a even match rather than an “i win” button and I respect the hell out of that.

Besides lining up your combos, mesmer damage is extremely lacking. I think complaints are moreso just annoyances with fighting the class in general.

It is fun to see people crying because an other class than theirs get a buff. For my part i have an lvl 80 : thief, warrior, guardian, necro, mesmer and engi with minimum 250 hours of play on each of them at lvl 80.

For the might stacking : the necro can easily keep 90% of time 20+ stack of might and i dont see anyone complain about it and it is just one of many example.

Shatter mesmer and pretty easy to counter for any one that has eyes and know how to use them, people just need to leand how to moove and evade. It has been ages since a shatter mesmer got me on any of my character. It is a very nice buff in pve and against bad player that is right.

But i dont see why you are complaining if mesmer get a nice pve buff since it will help you in dungeon when you have a mesmer with you.

I am not attacking anyone, just giving my thought.

Sorry for the bad english it isn’t my main language.

Konfuzfanten.6503:

Lordryux.9785:

i dont see how we are OP i really think thats a L2p issue right thier mesmer is easy to counter if u take the time and play it urself to an extent of knowing a bit about the class.

If you dont see how mesmer are borderline ridiculous in small scale WvW with portal, teleport, mass stealth/group quickness – “scatter cat” build – then you are playing the mesmer wrong.

Osicat is a really good mesmer and following his setup, i have little trouble taking on 2-3 players and either wining or getting away from them. Yea the thief can do the same, and that class is also pretty ridiculous because of the stealth but comparing a warrior with a mesmer in small scale is laughable.

The big difference between mesmer/theif and the other classes is the crazy “escapability” of those 2 classes making them nearly impossible to kill even against 3-4 guys at once. [EDIT: D/D ele’s can get nearly the same escapability]

Yea you can nitpick any class skill and say: look thats OP, its when you combining all the things that you see the whole picture.

WvW has so many people there to PvE or in really bad gear or low level. It’s a social environment that includes some PvP objectives and combat. Any well played class will be able to take on several targets and win. I mean seriously I have seen videos of thieves in WvW fight 10v1 and win. I have seen Warriors and Mesmers do the same, although I don’t think they were out numbered so severely. If people are being honest with themselves they know there’s NO WAY any class can take on 10v1 when the players are of equal skill. Watch Osicat’s videos he’s often out numbered in them 2-5 vs him and he wins. You think that happens EVERY time he fights? I think not.

Too many people not being honest with themselves. It’s ok to get outplayed. It’s ok to be outgeared or outmatched. Just get over it and get better. Look for solutions and THEN come whine about your class needing buffs.

I would love to know how a necromancer can carry 20 stacks of might 90 percent of the time.

I just got 3-shot by a theif that’s on semi-perma invi all of the time. So, just let them kitten.

Whiners are just gonna whine.

I think the point is quite simple : Mesmer have only been nerfed over and over and over throughout the patches but now that it has been buffed, it’s unbearable for people who are just bad and crying for nerfs instead of L2P : “omg they’ve been buffed, even if it did not change anything, let’s cry for nerfs, Anet will listen to us anyway”.
People don’t understand that a shatter mesmer is just a matter of not being glasscanon, using defensive moves when the mesmer shatters, and then retaliates, easy.

But still, even though it did not make mesmer OP, it still quite agree that there is a problem. But problem is for the mesmer : it does not encourage build diversity.
While some builds are still crap and get nerf over and over, shatter keeps being buffed, which implies everyone is now playing shatter , or at least brings this trait …

Lordryux.9785:

i dont see how we are OP i really think thats a L2p issue right thier mesmer is easy to counter if u take the time and play it urself to an extent of knowing a bit about the class. but sure let them think that and thief hitting rediculous amount of damage with basic attacking isnt OP yea right or warrior hitting 38k blade trails sure that isnt OP at all ! lol

Reality check Mesmers. We are not easy to counter. If we lose to anything other then a good thief that got us with our pants down we kittened up. (or a good ele)

Dont type its a L2P issues mesmer is a top of the food chain class, if you are getting killed by alot other classes alot you are just not very good.

The cries of crazy burst are justified by every class other then Thief and Warrior…. however it seems to be Thiefs and warriors crying the most /shrug.

Burst needs to be toned down and not just mesmers.

It dont matter to me with or without the might stacks. I was doing just fine. I would personally like a buffed distance on our sword 3 more than anything, a 300 extra range would be awesome to help close the run speed gap just a tad more.

An idiot will get confused by a mesmer and get his kitten handed to him.

A smart player will mop the floor with the mesmer because of how lacking the class is. Simple.

kailin.4905:

Actually I am REALLY impressed with mesmers atm from a community standpoint. The fact that there is a OP build that even mesmers are even calling Anet out over really shows that there are people playing this class that care about the game. They would rather have viable builds and a even match rather than an “i win” button and I respect the hell out of that.

It’s because we’ve been begging to have our mechanic revamped to be more reliable since beta. It’s frustrating to have a profession mechanic that is so incredibly unreliable.

So for them to have let something like this through, an extreme OP option that relies on dedicating your entire build around popping out tons of clones in the hopes that at least 3 will be alive when Mind Wrack is up is frustrating.

It needs to be toned down, but the mechanic also needs to be reliably useful without requiring such a build.

Xom.9264:

Lordryux.9785:

i dont see how we are OP i really think thats a L2p issue right thier mesmer is easy to counter if u take the time and play it urself to an extent of knowing a bit about the class. but sure let them think that and thief hitting rediculous amount of damage with basic attacking isnt OP yea right or warrior hitting 38k blade trails sure that isnt OP at all ! lol

Reality check Mesmers. We are not easy to counter. If we lose to anything other then a good thief that got us with our pants down we kittened up. (or a good ele)

Dont type its a L2P issues mesmer is a top of the food chain class, if you are getting killed by alot other classes alot you are just not very good.

The cries of crazy burst are justified by every class other then Thief and Warrior…. however it seems to be Thiefs and warriors crying the most /shrug.

Burst needs to be toned down and not just mesmers.

I have no problems wat so ever facing another mesmers. Actually i prefer to face a mesmer above any other class because i actually have fun fighting them rather than some 1 freakin 3 shotting me within 2 seconds. but heres a reality check for you aswell.

have you not noticed that more and more players are getting familiar with mesmer enough to even know which one is the real you aswell as they dont even get fooled by our stealth skills at all i had a 1v1 with an engi earlier and this guy followed me where i freakin went even in stealth lmao i even tried to trick him one time he still on my kitten but he soon died from all the confusion stacks xD but still just goes to show its not really hard you can pretty much find us because we are the only clone thats moving and dodging x.x its pretty simple.. infact its verry simple.

And again it is a L2p. issue its not hard to counter us at all. play the class. till 80 do some spvp for 2 weeks. then you will understand wat im talking about. nothing but a class that is made to confuse you sure we have the skill in illusion trait that gives us 3 might stacks now but shatter cat mesmers need to set up thier kill in order to do the combo if they miss that combo. u have about. 8 to 10 seconds to down them or they can do it again. GS mesmer are even easier you can tell which is which simply because thier spatial surge shoots faster than the clones so you will never loose them unless they run away. which they usually do. Staff mesmers. meh had a few battles with condition mesmers isnt fun because on my build i have like no condition removals. so i did loose that fight.

derevan.8751:

For my part i have an lvl 80 : thief, warrior, guardian, necro, mesmer and engi with minimum 250 hours of play on each of them at lvl 80.

I’m not attacking you, however, I feel like you are mistaken about your hours played.

6 toons x 250hours = Minimum of 1500 hours = 62.5 days.

GW2 came out 115 days ago from this post ( 12-21-12 ) that means everyday you play 54.3% of the day away, or 13 hours a day Since the game came out.

I find this highly unlikely.

I put little value in professions being called Overpowered. Good thieves or elementalists can fight 10 people at a time. So you want to talk about imba? And thieves just got buffed.

Ugh, I am gonna be so kitten if they nerf shattered strength. Finally I can play a support mesmer without doing crap damage; run in knights gear and boon duration buffs, run a shatter build and share the love of my staff and might.

If they take that away in PvE that just because people were abusing it in PvP; well… it’s complete bullkitten when guardians have a PvP/PvE split to keep it balanced but Mesmer’s changes come in only one flavour: sPvP

Ryuujin.8236:

Ugh, I am gonna be so kitten if they nerf shattered strength. Finally I can play a support mesmer without doing crap damage; run in knights gear and boon duration buffs, run a shatter build and share the love of my staff and might.

If they take that away in PvE that just because people were abusing it in PvP; well… it’s complete bullkitten when guardians have a PvP/PvE split to keep it balanced but Mesmer’s changes come in only one flavour: sPvP

they wont nerf it honestly other classes can get way more might stacks than we can in seconds… sometimes instantly. except for thief they really dont even need any.

Hevosin.9187:

derevan.8751:

For my part i have an lvl 80 : thief, warrior, guardian, necro, mesmer and engi with minimum 250 hours of play on each of them at lvl 80.

I’m not attacking you, however, I feel like you are mistaken about your hours played.

6 toons x 250hours = Minimum of 1500 hours = 62.5 days.

GW2 came out 115 days ago from this post ( 12-21-12 ) that means everyday you play 54.3% of the day away, or 13 hours a day Since the game came out.

I find this highly unlikely.

It’s not really impossible though. I’ve played for 992 hours, and I would play more if I didn’t have to juggle a job and another MMO.

Esorono.1039:

It’s not really impossible though. I’ve played for 992 hours, and I would play more if I didn’t have to juggle a job and another MMO.

Of its not impossible, but the amount he claims to have played isn’t possible unless he is out of school and unemployed or works very short part time shifts. No full time working person could have 13 hours a day to play a game. Figure 8 hours work ( not counting drive time and lunches ) + 7 hours sleep + 13 hours played = 28 hours, not that many hours in a day.

If we use my schedule. I can play from 4:30pm-10pm assuming I have Nothing else to do in a day once I get home from work. that is 5.5 hours, and lets also assume I play from when I wake up to when I go to sleep on a weekend, that gives me 16 hours each day, so 5.5 × 5 + 16 +16 = 59.5 Max hours total for a week for myself. That number is very short of the 91 ( 7×13 ) that is required a week to get his claimed play time.

Now some people work part time, lets assume 4 hour work day, I know not all shifts are spread like this, but for numbers sake that’s how I am doing it. So 4 hours work + 13 hours gaming + 7 hours sleep = 24 hours. This is slightly more possible, but not realistic as there is travel time, eating bathroom, showers ( I hope ). However he said “minimum” 250 each, so some may be more.

Once again, I am not attacking them in any way, I just find the numbers to be very odd and likely incorrect. Plus this gave me an excuse to type a ton while at work and look busy, HAHA.

Navi.7142:

As a pve mesmer I just want to be left alone from pvp and wvwvw changes.
It’s annoying.

Please split more skills for pve and pvp.
Thanks.

Yes this! Leave my Mesmer alone in PVE!

I just tried out a shatter build in a pug match in PvP, and it certainly was fun (and destructive). I do agree it needs to be turned down a bit, but other builds desperately need buffs. The difference between the viability of a shatter build and anything I can come up with are immense. Also, PvE and PvP splits please!

its pretty much the whole point of a shatter build its basically glass cannon like any other class except we have the escape techniques of a thief so its less of a risk. if they would nerf it then why not nerf every other glass cannon build that gives insane damage.. come on now x.x obviously they gave shattered Strength a buff for a reason. if thier is no reasoning behind that buff then why do it in the first place would be nice to get a DEV feedback on this but we all know that probably wont happen.

Players that QQ about this skill being OP now how come you guys was still dieying regardless from this same build even before shattered strength got buffed hmm>? explain that people.

I fail to see how this is OP, aoe the illusions if you Don’t want to get Shattered. Many classes can spam an aoe and do this easily.

And it does not hit for 16K, ever. Thieves can bow you for 22K though. Regardless we could stack Might long before this change, why is it OP now?

Lordryux.9785:

its pretty much the whole point of a shatter build its basically glass cannon like any other class except we have the escape techniques of a thief so its less of a risk. if they would nerf it then why not nerf every other glass cannon build that gives insane damage.. come on now x.x obviously they gave shattered Strength a buff for a reason. if thier is no reasoning behind that buff then why do it in the first place would be nice to get a DEV feedback on this but we all know that probably wont happen.

Players that QQ about this skill being OP now how come you guys was still dieying regardless from this same build even before shattered strength got buffed hmm>? explain that people.

A dev has responded about this build in the PvP forums. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Mesmer-Shatter-Exploit/first

Esorono.1039:

Lordryux.9785:

its pretty much the whole point of a shatter build its basically glass cannon like any other class except we have the escape techniques of a thief so its less of a risk. if they would nerf it then why not nerf every other glass cannon build that gives insane damage.. come on now x.x obviously they gave shattered Strength a buff for a reason. if thier is no reasoning behind that buff then why do it in the first place would be nice to get a DEV feedback on this but we all know that probably wont happen.

Players that QQ about this skill being OP now how come you guys was still dieying regardless from this same build even before shattered strength got buffed hmm>? explain that people.

A dev has responded about this build in the PvP forums. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Mesmer-Shatter-Exploit/first

Sorry to inform you but that still doesnt prove that its OP at all. u should see how much i hit on my warrior on a glass cannon player my GOD the OPness of that class should be nerfed aswell. dnt forget the infamous backstab build on thief. yea DEVs watch it verry verry closely . that just goes to show the damage it can do on a glass cannon character not a bunker build. Bunker builds will eat up that damage as if it were a scratch thats why i go hybrid these days to get damage and conditions on bunkers so they die out quickly ^^

Grrrrr…. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Shattered-Strength-Shazam-You-are-dead/first#post1061859

Navi.7142:

Grrrrr…. https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp/Shattered-Strength-Shazam-You-are-dead/first#post1061859

sucks doesnt it how DEVs are completely ignorant of the fact that those damage can be done on a glass cannon just as easily as most classes in this game. Try meeting a heartseeker spamming haste thief man ur dead in 2 seconds before u can even say oops dont get me started on the culling issue and they abuse that. man try rifle warrior out 15k killshots on a 9s cooldown.. dang.. i even saw a post guy did a 33k killshot. man fun fun.

Try glass cannon ele. simple rotation 20k+ damage in 3 seconds. bam ur dead.The guy literally hit a 9.5k crit burning speed. Same with necro full power and prec on that thing with dagger/warhorn axe/focus. MY god. the damage is insane ghastly claws can crit up to 8k+ damage x.x

Anyways point of the matter is thats people who dont know how to dodge to completely make that damage miss. use ur stun breakers use ur condition removals its not hard. i can understand if u have none or they are on cooldown then yea ur done for. but whose fault is that for using them so early O.o hm. Even guardian can go glass cannon and still have survivability. and a good amount at that.

Ima need the DEVs to take a look at all the classes damage skills and balance it before they even begin to think about nerfing shattered strength. BUT! hey players who come on here and cry everyday get wat they want thats the way Gw2 works !

I was sure it would not last even if I would have prefered to be wrong. Buffing mesmer is just not something they can do or there is a QQ apocalypse on the forum.
We can hope they will split PvE and PvP but there again I don’t believe it as this trait is also really powerful in WvW.

Well, at least they don’t just nerf us now, they buff us before nerfing back, just with enough time for you to change your spec and your gear and waste money doing so. Enjoy!

The question is how will ANet go about the nerf. Will they take the easy approach and just lower the might stacks (or revert the change entirely) or will they realize that its not the might stacking thats the issue, its getting out 6-9 clones in a matter of seconds and doing 3 back to back shatters with the might stacks.

If the latter, surely a simple internal cooldown on Shattered Strength will fix it, say 5 seconds or so, would still allow high stacks but only for a short while and with a longer buildup time to avoid the ‘wtf’ burst.

The post about working on a fix to Mesmer burst damage being too high is hopefully in reference to the 16k shatter burst bug which I was able to replicate easily enough. If they nerf damage or anything else along with that bug it’ll be disaster for Mesmer Shatter builds. . . that said, I’m not sure I mind, not that shatter builds are that hard for me to deal with, but I’m tired of having one build that simply is a must, and you are a noob if you don’t run it. (So says the self proclaimed “pros” in these free tournaments now days)

It’s not merely the class. It’s how you play it.

JonathanSharp.7094:

@ Mesmer: We’ll be addressing the current Mesmer build that’s spiking for insane damage. Sorry that change got through – it is something we’ll be fixing.

@ Macros: Macros are against the user agreement. You can be banned for using them, so use them at your own risk. I would also advise against using them, because in live tournaments, you won’t be able to use macros. So it makes little sense to learn “bad habbits” you’ll just have to retrain later.

We adhere to the same “one keystroke = one action on one character/account”, which is used by a lot of MMO publishers when defining botting/macros.

Just wanted to clear that up – be careful w/ those macros, they can get you banned.

This answer is in the shattered strength topic, not the shatter bug one. He is mentioning shatter build and the buff to shattered strength so I guess they’re just gonna nerf it. I could be mistaken though. Fixing the bug would be the best thing to do but well, we all know what happens when they try to fix mesmer bugs. xD

I mean i can understand when u get hit with the blurred frenzy combo that crap hurts like really badly but thier are ways especially if u go 1v1 with a mesmer to totally negate that combo completely aswell as dodge the mindwrack. I admit ive gotten cought about 6 times with that combo but majority of the time its fairly easy to dodge when u got ur stun breakers aswell as your condition removals and aswell yes i use mantras especially power clense. its a must.