Guild Wars 2

Hey guys,
I have a really big problem to face. I love the mesmer’s torch and its skills but I also dislike conditiondmg (really, do not ask why. I just dislike it). In WvW/PvP a torch is a great and useful weapon because you gain access to more invisibility and your phantasm grands retaliation and inflicts confusion.
I play with Sword/Torch most of the time and I’m afraid that I won’t be able to use it in a Dungeonbuild as good as Sword/Sword or Sword/Pistol.

4.) The Prestige
What does stealth help me when I’m playing a glasscanon in PvE? No boons through PU, no enemy who has to find out the “real” mesmer out of my clones (really, they always know “THAT’S THE REAL MESMER! KILL HIM!”. There’s nothing in a PvE bossfight I gain when I’m using stealth. There is no point in stealth when balling and bearing/dodging the enemys dmg.

5.) iMage
Which PvE mob cares about confusion? None does maybe they attack one or two times while they’re under the effect of confusion (wow!) unskilled nearly 390 dmg with that condition so my dmg with the phantasm is really low.
In PvP/WvW a lowdmg confusion can still stop the enemy from casting because he’s afraid or just stop him from smashing all his buttons. In PvE the enemy just ignores confusion

My big question:
Does anyone know a viable PvE-Build with a Torch that does not focus conditions but focuses on direct DPS?

Torch can not do dps. Sorry to shut you down, but it’s not even remotely possible to do good sustained dps with a torch.

Sad

15 characters…

what’s your build? Honestly, the only time you really need to push lots of single target damage is on a boss. Why not just carry a pistol around and swap when you arrive at the boss? PU + torch in almost every other situation in the game is what I prefer.

I’ve been playing a torch dps build … but in WvW. There, the torch is good for defensive purposes, which are pretty useless in PvE (in which I’d swap to one of the other offhand weapons depending on fight). But as everyone else said, torch unfortunately serves almost no purpose in PvE.

If interested, the build is at https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Stealth-DPS-build/first#post2942570

Me Games Ma.8426:

Hey guys,
4.) The Prestige
What does stealth help me when I’m playing a glasscanon in PvE?

skip stuff since you are glasscannon.

the only purpose you can use the torch for is condition removal or boon overkill (PU). With Signet of Inspiration you can share them to your party. Thats it with the torch.

Null Field and Phantasmal Disenchanter are better condition removal anyway.

Torch is terrible for PvE.

Honestly, I have tried to implement a torch in one of my PvE builds. Unfortunately, it feels borked, and you will not gain anything in matters of DPS, if you equip a torch, there is simply no way (unless you do not equip any offhand at all).

It tried it with a PU+interrupt build though (not necessarily the best approach in PvE in first place), so maybe one is more creative than I am…

colesy.8490:

Null Field and Phantasmal Disenchanter are better condition removal anyway.

Torch is terrible for PvE.

yeah, but using up a utility slot and have longer cd… but you’re right, torch isn’t really for pve

Well what else are you going to put in the utility slots? That’s like saying feedback sucks because you can just use phantasmal warden.

Torch is bad in PvE but not unplayable. It brings up some nice utility especially if traited. Also it has the only combofinisher-explosion we have. And they are allways good.

Torch is only useful in PvE for running past mobs in Arah.

colesy.8490:

Well what else are you going to put in the utility slots? That’s like saying feedback sucks because you can just use phantasmal warden.

Depends on dungeon. But Mimic, Thievery, Blink, Feedback, Defender, and a few more depending on trait setup all have their place in dungeons so I wouldn’t find it difficult to spend the third utility slot. Though yes, Torch is still worse for PvE, because both Disenchanter and Null field have secondary benefits in addition to just being better skills.

OP, if there was someone who made torch an even remotely viable damage weapon, vash is it. Check out the video below. There’s also an advanced gameplay video showing the traits, etc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyuxqt511Oc

Fairly high skill cap here but impressive for a torch damage reference.

Except the OP is on about PvE where torch is terrible.

Without Phantasmal Haste:
Swordsman – 144
Berserker – 115
Duelist – 98
Warlock – 81
Warden – 81
Mage – 30

This was the DpS table from another thread. I remember the iMage hits up to 4 targets. The “problem” is just that he also is able to buff allies. So if he would hit 4 enemies he came up to 120 damage in this table. I guess ø its 2 hits wich results into 60 damage, maybe with a hybrid build + confusion a bit more. Also retalation’s up then. The damage isn’t that bad at all against multiple enemies. But single target – ye it sux xD. Sure he IS on the “bad phantasm list” but it’s not even that terrible as I’ve expected.

iMage is terrible.

skcamow.3527:

OP, if there was someone who made torch an even remotely viable damage weapon, vash is it. Check out the video below. There’s also an advanced gameplay video showing the traits, etc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyuxqt511Oc

Fairly high skill cap here but impressive for a torch damage reference.

I play torch in WvW/PvP myself so I know how good this works. But I asked about PvE where you do not face other human players but computer controlled monsters^^

Me Games Ma.8426:

skcamow.3527:

OP, if there was someone who made torch an even remotely viable damage weapon, vash is it. Check out the video below. There’s also an advanced gameplay video showing the traits, etc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyuxqt511Oc

Fairly high skill cap here but impressive for a torch damage reference.

I play torch in WvW/PvP myself so I know how good this works. But I asked about PvE where you do not face other human players but computer controlled monsters^^

Yep, sorry about that – in open world PvE it’s fine enough – though your iMage is useless. In dungeons it wouldn’t work well (as others have said). I’m sure you’d get a nice initial burst from the prestige but you’d be suffering a great DPS loss in between CD’s and would be much better off with a damaging phantasm.

if only prestige hits as hard as vevina’s

Maybe it will after 15. Oct condition scale buff.